• Israel: Terrorist murders family of 5
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[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28583288]I'm putting the simple fact that when you live where the shit actually happens and you see it in your own eyes, your perspective changes. I call bullshit on every arguement you're gonna say just by the simple fact that you don't live here and you've never felt threatened continiously. No xenophobia here fyi, just throwing my cup of tea.[/QUOTE] What about the other people on the other side of the fence? You wouldn't agree most of them go through the same thing, while they're living on occupied territories? In fact I don't think it is wrong to say that most Israelis live un-threatened, I don't think the same could be said for most Palestinians. I don't know where you live, I figure you live in a town/area thats in range of the rockets. no differences will ever be reconciled if everyone continues to think this way.
Those on the other side blindly following the organizations (Hamas etc) because anger drives their soul and it's easy to get someone on your side when you offer something to occupy their anger.
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28584115]Those on the other side blindly following the organizations (Hamas etc) because anger drives their soul and it's easy to get someone on your side when you offer something to occupy their anger.[/QUOTE] They're desperate, they don't have a voice, many of them don't have jobs (unemployment rates 50% in some areas), and Hamas promises to go after the people that have occupied them for over half a century. I'm sure those are the reasons anger drives their souls, you don't think theres Israelis who vote far-right because of the same angry sentiments?
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;28584168]They're desperate, they don't have a voice, many of them don't have jobs (unemployment rates 50% in some areas), and Hamas promises to go after the people that have occupied them for over half a century. I'm sure those are the reasons anger drives their souls, you don't think theres Israelis who vote far-right because of the same angry sentiments?[/QUOTE] I'm a freelance photographer, I go in and out once a month to hear these guys out and take pictures, most of the rebel-leaders know me already and greet me nicely cause I provide their 'war' a voice. When I tried explaining my point of view, they explained theirs, we both agreed were humans and something should be done, and that's a good point. Not sure how this relates to the thread but I'm posting anyway.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;28582377]Oh and I forgot one of my favorites: [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] Funny, ohadje rated all those crazy radical libel comments against me agree.[/QUOTE] Good job bringing up something that happened half a year ago. My opinions differed a lot since then, and I'm sure you noticed. Have a box. [QUOTE=MoarFunz;28583100]NSFW [media]http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/199539_1616450138880_1465158378_1307386_2819468_n.jpg[/media] I dare you ignorants say something anti-Israeli, I've got a friend in the IDF who served while this shit happen, he saw everything, can't believe how stupid FP is.[/QUOTE] Fuck...
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28583100]NSFW [media]http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/199539_1616450138880_1465158378_1307386_2819468_n.jpg[/media] I dare you ignorants say something anti-Israeli, I've got a friend in the IDF who served while this shit happen, he saw everything, can't believe how stupid FP is.[/QUOTE] OK [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28464144/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/[/url] That good?
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28586654]OK [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28464144/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/[/url] That good?[/QUOTE] Not really, not as gorey as mine, you lose, goodday sir.
[QUOTE=ohadje;28585922]Good job bringing up something that happened half a year ago. My opinions differed a lot since then, and I'm sure you noticed. Have a box. Fuck...[/QUOTE] Says the guy who rated me dumb for saying we should put money to cancer research instead of weapon research only DAYS ago. Have a box.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28586817]Says the guy who rated me dumb for saying we should put money to cancer research instead of weapon research only DAYS ago. [b]Have a box.[/b][/QUOTE] You should stop posting at all, ''hurf i give u box :downs:''
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28586806]Not really, not as gorey as mine, you lose, goodday sir.[/QUOTE] Palestinian Ministry of Health during the Gaza war: Children Casualties 431 My numbers win! [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MoarFunz;28586839]You should stop posting at all, ''hurf i give u box :downs:''[/QUOTE] Says the guy who thinks one picture means Israeli is exempt from criticism.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28586817]Says the guy who rated me dumb for saying we should put money to cancer research instead of weapon research only DAYS ago. Have a box.[/QUOTE] No, you didn't say that.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28586907]Palestinian Ministry of Health during the Gaza war: Children Casualties 431 My numbers win! [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] Says the guy who thinks one picture means Israeli is exempt from criticism.[/QUOTE] Sorry dude buy numbers don't mean shit. For all we know these children were used as human shield by Hamas or just happened to be near a Hamas base of operations and were hit by Israeli artillery targeting Hamas, not children. However, the kids who died in the recent attack didn't die by mistake, and that's 100% sure.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28587179]Sorry dude buy numbers don't mean shit. For all we know these children were used as human shield by Hamas or just happened to be near a Hamas base of operations and were hit by Israeli artillery targeting Hamas, not children. However, the kids who died in the recent attack didn't die by mistake, and that's 100% sure.[/QUOTE] Yes, after years of Israeli's bombing the shit out of civilians and killing kids in the process, when they go in and carelessly start shooting, ie Gaza war, they FINALLY start taking care. and all 400 deaths were Hamas guys holding them up. So much so that they just started strapping kids to their chests. [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ohadje;28586987]No, you didn't say that.[/QUOTE] Yes I did.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28587501]Yes, after years of Israeli's bombing the shit out of civilians and killing kids in the process, when they go in and carelessly start shooting, ie Gaza war, they FINALLY start taking care. and all 400 deaths were Hamas guys holding them up. So much so that they just started strapping kids to their chests. [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] Yes I did.[/QUOTE] Don't forget that there's a difference between a fucking war, and terror attacks specifically aimed against civilians.
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28583288]I'm putting the simple fact that when you live where the shit actually happens and you see it in your own eyes, your perspective changes.[/QUOTE] Only thing that changes is that you are emotionally involved, reducing your ability to think rationally. Or at the very least makes you biased. If he got away how did they even know it was a Palestinian? The only thing that is proven is that a family has been killed by a man(?). Even if he is Palestinian that doesn't make him a terrorist or related to the Israel - Palestinian conflict. You can't use this event to defend Israel in the ongoing 50 year conflict because it has nothing to do with it.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28587179]Sorry dude buy numbers don't mean shit. For all we know these children were used as human shield by Hamas or just happened to be near a Hamas base of operations and were hit by Israeli artillery targeting Hamas, not children. [/QUOTE] Burn, you know yourself that you're making a false implication. So whats the point of bringing that up? It's widely known that the IDF was pretty careless during the Gaza war, fact-finding missions, HR reports, and accounts from IDF soldiers themselves would support this.
[QUOTE=RP.;28554172]Take a fucking guess.[/QUOTE] Crime in the mid-east? Must be terrists.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;28587875]Burn, you know yourself that you're making a false implication. So whats the point of bringing that up? It's widely known that the IDF was pretty careless during the Gaza war, fact-finding missions, HR reports, and accounts from IDF soldiers themselves would support this.[/QUOTE] Careless - to an extent, and from certain members of the IDF. As much as some people'd like to believe, it's not like every single member of the Israeli Defence Force was like "lol cluster gaza might hit a terrorist". I'm sure Starpluck will wave the UN school event at some stage, but that's still only one event by a certain collection of members. Besides, Hamas hides amongst civilian populations - launching rockets, storing weaponry, and using human shields. They've admitted it repeatedly, although even then they try and make it out as some holy calling, part of their ideal that dying for Allah is the greatest of honors. Funnily enough, the IDF doesn't do this. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield[/url] E: haha - they deliberately plan rocket firing times to launch when children are making their way to school. what a noble tactic - deliberate targeting of children! [url]http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=76438[/url]
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28594692] Funnily enough, the IDF doesn't do this. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield[/url] [/QUOTE] Funnily enough, the source you posted says different. [quote]Amnesty International[18] and Human Rights Watch[19] assert the Israel Defense Forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields during the 2002 Battle of Jenin. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that "for a long period of time following the outbreak of the second intifada, particularly during Operation Defensive Shield, in April 2002, the IDF systematically used Palestinian civilians as human shields, forcing them to carry out military actions which threatened their lives".[20][21] The practice was outlawed by the Supreme Court of Israel in 2005 but human rights groups say the IDF continues to use it, although they say the number of instances has dropped sharply.[20][22] During the 2008-2009 Gaza invasion known as Operation Cast Lead, Israeli military forces were accused of continuing to use civilians as human shields. According to testimonies, Israeli forces used unarmed Palestinians including children to protect military positions, walk in front of armed soldiers; go into buildings to check for booby traps or gunmen; and inspect suspicious objects for explosives.[23][24][/quote]
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;28594810]Funnily enough, the source you posted says different.[/QUOTE] True. However, the practice was outlawed in '05, so any further actions would be carried out by a minority, and thus an anomaly.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28594856]True. However, the practice was outlawed in '05, so any further actions would be carried out by a minority, and thus an anomaly.[/QUOTE] How should you know whether it was carried out by an minority? I find it amusing that the self-proclaimed "world's most moral army" had to even address this issue, and yet it stills occurs today apparently. What Hamas does is a bit incomparable, they're a guerilla group fighting agains all odds. They don't exactly have a code of conduct, yet the IDF still acts comparably similiar to them. Hamas uses human shields because they often have no other means of repelling attacks, the IDF uses human shields, not because they have to, but because they're assholes. At least Hamas uses its own people.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28554099]It doesn't say that anywhere.[/QUOTE] If a Palestinian guy killed a bunch of people in an illegal Jewish settlement in Palestine (you know, the ones that Palestine and Israel have been fighting about for decades) it was probably for ideological reasons, yeah.
It all depends on where you get your news from, BBC is (iirc) notoriously anti-israel. Channel 4 (UK) is quite pro-israel. I don't know what FOX is but you probably shouldn't listen to it whatever. It's a good idea to look at both palestinian and israeli news websites, it can be very interesting.
[QUOTE=jaykray;28595128]It all depends on where you get your news from, BBC is (iirc) notoriously anti-israel.[/QUOTE] Haha wow, BBC is one of the best and most trustworthy news agencies in the world.
[QUOTE=TH89;28595218]Haha wow, BBC is one of the best and most trustworthy news agencies in the world.[/QUOTE] Like I said, it's good to get news from both sides, I think BBC is the most pro-palestine news agencies in England. I couldn't compare it with other country's news channels though as I don't really watch them, though I have seen enough FOX to know it's worth avoiding.
[QUOTE=jaykray;28595247]Like I said, it's good to get news from both sides, I think BBC is the most pro-palestine news agencies in England.[/QUOTE] You're creating a false dilemma by casting a moderate, objective news organization as "anti-Israel" and insisting that we also go to crummy, biased pro-Israel sources as well to get the "whole story," which will inevitably result in a pro-Israel bias. If you want to see what an anti-Israel bias looks like watch, the arab media. The BBC is fine, just because it doesn't give Israel a free pass doesn't make it anti-Israel.
[QUOTE=TH89;28595275]You're creating a false dilemma by casting a moderate, objective news organization as "anti-Israel" and insisting that we also go to crummy, biased pro-Israel sources as well to get the "whole story," which will inevitably result in a pro-Israel bias. If you want to see what an anti-Israel bias looks like watch, the arab media. The BBC is fine, just because it doesn't give Israel a free pass doesn't make it anti-Israel.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-451138/Report-BBCs-anti-Israel-bias-stay-secret.html[/URL] (I know it's the daily mail but it's the first place I could find the article)
[QUOTE=jaykray;28595298][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-451138/Report-BBCs-anti-Israel-bias-stay-secret.html[/URL] (I know it's the daily mail but it's the first place I could find the article)[/QUOTE] 1. The Daily Mail is a conservative rag that skews pro-Israel (not to mention anti-BBC). 2. Nowhere does it say what the report actually concluded. Saying "I don't know what it says, therefore it supports my position" is silly.
[QUOTE=TH89;28595315]1. The Daily Mail is a conservative rag that skews pro-Israel (not to mention anti-BBC). 2. Nowhere does it say what the report actually concluded. Saying "I don't know what it says, therefore it supports my position" is silly.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if daily mail is pro anything, it seems they're more anti everything. Anyway, you're right about me making a false dilemma, but it really is good to find both sides of the argument from as reputable sources as you can find. Obviously there will be very anti palestinian news from israel and vice versa but there are definitely less biased sources out there.
[QUOTE=jaykray;28595350]I'm not sure if daily mail is pro anything, it seems they're more anti everything. Anyway, you're right about me making a false dilemma, but it really is good to find both sides of the argument from as reputable sources as you can find. Obviously there will be very anti palestinian news from israel and vice versa but there are definitely less biased sources out there.[/QUOTE] A reputable source publishes facts and reasoned coverage that gives people an accurate understanding of what it is they're covering. There shouldn't BE any "sides" if you're getting your news from good sources, is my point.
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