Lolicon now illegal in France. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Scar;41984008]Same could be said about homosexuality[/QUOTE] Why are you even comparing a sexuality to a toxic paraphilia? Do you know how infuriatingly stupid this is? I'm gay, and this pissed me right off. Please try to understand and grasp the differences between the two before making a comparison.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41987839]Why are you even comparing a sexuality to a toxic paraphilia? Do you know how infuriatingly stupid this is? I'm gay, and this pissed me right off. Please try to understand and grasp the differences between the two before making a comparison.[/QUOTE] He has a point though. If you're gonna call it a mental illness, you can call any sort of attraction a mental illness. You know, what we used to call homosexuality in the 50s?

Lolicon is fucked up, but it's an unfortunate necessary evil to help closet pedophiles relieve sexual tension and not do anything stupid like go after real children.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;41987896]Lolicon is fucked up, but it's an unfortunate necessary evil to help closet pedophiles relieve sexual tension and not do anything stupid like go after real children.[/QUOTE] well yeah that's what the argument for it is, studies have shown this to be true, you are correct

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41987876]He has a point though. If you're gonna call it a mental illness, you can call any sort of attraction a mental illness. You know, what we used to call homosexuality in the 50s?[/QUOTE] It's something that you should seek out help for with a sense of self-advocacy in a humanistic perspective. People shouldn't be encouraged to be looked at lolicon.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41987971]It's something that you should seek out help for with a sense of self-advocacy in a humanistic perspective. People shouldn't be encouraged to be looked at lolicon.[/QUOTE] why

Pedophiles are not uncontrollable rape machines. Acting is if they "need" Lolicon or CP in order to not go rape children is idiotic. Pedophiles are people, and many people have a set of morals. Being a pedophile does not change your morals. Being a pedophile does not make you any more likely to rape someone. I am for Lolicon because it's [b]fucking unfair[/b] to criminalize something that has NO victim.

[QUOTE=geel9;41987981]Pedophiles are not uncontrollable rape machines. Acting is if they "need" Lolicon or CP in order to not go rape children is idiotic. Pedophiles are people, and many people have a set of morals. Being a pedophile does not change your morals. Being a pedophile does not make you any more likely to rape someone. I am for Lolicon because it's [b]fucking unfair[/b] to criminalize something that has NO victim.[/QUOTE] do you even read your own arguments 'i support fictional child pornography because it's unfair to criminalize something that has no victim. yeah, that's the real reason. that's why.'

[QUOTE=Scar;41984008]Same could be said about homosexuality[/QUOTE] As stupid as this sounds it's a good point. It's ultimately the same thing, a sexual nuance you're born with. [B]That's not so say homosexuality and pedophilia are at all comparable in any other aspect, though.[/B] [/disclaimer] People don't choose to be homosexual, and other people don't choose to be pedophiles. Homosexuality is rather unambiguously an acceptable social behavior since it's consensual between two adults, who gives a shit what people want to do in their bedrooms as long as it's consenting behavior. Pedophilia is [I]not[/I] consensual between two adults, that's the difference. However until a pedophile actually acts on his/her urges then they shouldn't be [I]proactively[/I] punished. This is legislation proactively starting shit with people who have pedophilia proclivities, without them necessarily having done anything wrong. Just because the majority of people (including myself) are not comfortable with Loli being on the internet, doesn't mean a gang or a mob of legislators should get together and promote tyranny and wrath on a group of people who are cursed with a socially unacceptable sexual proclivity.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41987971]It's something that you should seek out help for with a sense of self-advocacy in a humanistic perspective. People shouldn't be encouraged to be looked at lolicon.[/QUOTE] people shouldn't be encouraged, it shouldn't be made illegal either though. not arguing with you, i don't really know your stance on that. we should focus on making it easier for someone with such a toxic attraction to get help. a pedophile is probably going to kill themselves in shame before they admit themselves to a mental health clinic.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41987971]It's something that you should seek out help for with a sense of self-advocacy in a humanistic perspective.[/QUOTE] Much in the same way people used to (and still do) send gays to 'straight therapy' for the good of themselves and everyone around them. Demonizing them won't help.

again, public shaming never solved anything. pacifistic discouragement through means of making it easier for those who think they need help to get it is the way forward, not demonization and severe legal punishment (unless the subject had actually expressed harmful actions like obtaining actual child porn or even worse molestation.)

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41988020]Much in the same way people used to (and still do) send gays to 'straight therapy' for the good of themselves and everyone around them. Demonizing them won't help.[/QUOTE] Apples and oranges, pears and kiwis. [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41988015]people shouldn't be encouraged, it shouldn't be made illegal either though. not arguing with you, i don't really know your stance on that. [B]we should focus on making it easier for someone with such a toxic paraphinalia to get help. a pedophile is probably going to kill themselves in shame before they admit themselves to a mental health clinic.[/B][/QUOTE] Abso-friggin'-lutely. My stance is mostly that people should seek help instead of loathing themselves with an explictly progressive stance.

Amazing, hopefully they can get anime banned next and then have the world follow. It would decrease the amount of neck-beard fedora sporting chaps in society.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41987971]It's something that you should seek out help for with a sense of self-advocacy in a humanistic perspective. People shouldn't be encouraged to be looked at lolicon.[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean you have to throw people in jail for it either. The comparison is wrong in many ways but the point of that argument is that society is incorrectly ascribing attributes to people based on their sexuality, both now and back then. It is wrong to view a person with an involuntary attraction to children the same way you'd view a guilty and sentenced child molester, as if the mere presence of such urges equates a crime regardless of whether or not they're acted upon.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41988036]Apples and oranges, pears and kiwis. [/QUOTE] How about actually debunking what he just said? [QUOTE] Abso-friggin'-lutely. My stance is mostly that people should seek help instead of loathing themselves with an explictly progressive stance.[/QUOTE] Until the stigma is mitigated to the point where one wouldn't become the pariah of a community, that won't happen.

it doesn't sit terribly well with me that there is a chance someone with less knowledge of what specific age a specific character out of the billions in existance is. what extent would this law go to, banning flat chested characters? small characters? there is no way any governmental entity could control this, the law makes no sense in the first place. i can see why from a moral standpoint, but taking legal action because you don't like something is harsh. this doesn't directly harm [I]anyone. [/I]it's like a lazy way out of actually providing help for those that need it here.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41988011]a sexual nuance you're born with.[/QUOTE] is it? because a large proportion of child abusers were themselves abused as children which would suggest its not necessarily something youre born with

[QUOTE=Jagur;41988039]Amazing, hopefully they can get anime banned next and then have the world follow. It would decrease the amount of neck-beard fedora sporting chaps in society.[/QUOTE] This post is dumb even by my standards, and I find a lot of things wrong with people these days, especially those on the internet. I agree that just because you dislike something or find it weird doesn't mean you should ban it. However, I also agree very much with what FlubberNugget and Ownederd said about lolicon being a toxic paraphilia, but one that you shouldn't be ashamed of. I don't hate anyone just because they're into little drawn girls, or MLP, or anime, or the furry fandom, or whatever, but I reserve my right to think that some of those things are weird and could be signs that someone isn't making the right decisions in life.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41988036]Apples and oranges, pears and kiwis. [/QUOTE] All of them fruit? Really, stop it with this metaphor, I don't see how those things are not related to each other :S

[QUOTE=Hellduck;41988097]is it? because a large proportion of child abusers were themselves abused as children which would suggest its not necessarily something youre born with[/QUOTE] I'd wager it's something that develops based on environmental factors during upbringing. Regardless, it isn't a choice.

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[QUOTE=Jagur;41988039]Amazing, hopefully they can get anime banned next and then have the world follow. It would decrease the amount of neck-beard fedora sporting chaps in society.[/QUOTE] You're a reasonable one, aren'tcha

[QUOTE=Hellduck;41988097]is it? because a large proportion of child abusers were themselves abused as children which would suggest its not necessarily something youre born with[/QUOTE] Correlation is not causation. Also you are making the critical mistake of assuming that pedophile = child abuser.

i can tell you right now that pedophilia is not a choice. why? why would anyone choose to be? why would anyone subject themselves to such social guilt and shaming? don't ever compare it to homosexuality, though. being homosexual is much much more deeply rooted than something like pedophilia.

[QUOTE=Simski;41988106]All of them fruit? Really, stop it with this metaphor, I don't see how those things are not related to each other :S[/QUOTE] Homosexuality isn't something that you should seek help for. If you carry it out in reality with consent, whose it gonna hurt? No one. A sexually immature child is a different case completely.

I don't think this is something that's even worth an argument. This really just comes down to a ban on porn that certain legislators find icky. Nobody is being harmed in its production or consumption, and the only thing that is going to be affected by this is freedom of expression. Alex Delarge, the character, is 13. Clockwork Orange depicted a 13 year old character raping someone, and that movie is a cornerstone of cinema. I ask, where do you stop once you start policing fantasy and imagination?

[QUOTE=elevate;41988104]This is dumb even by my standards, and I find a lot of things wrong with people these days, especially those on the internet. I agree that just because you dislike something or find it weird doesn't mean you should ban it. However, I also agree very much with what FlubberNugget and Ownederd said about lolicon being a toxic paraphilia, but one that you shouldn't be ashamed of. I don't hate anyone just because they're into little drawn girls, or MLP, or anime, or the furry fandom, or whatever, but I reserve my right to think that some of those things are weird and could be signs that someone isn't making the right decisions in life.[/QUOTE] So you believe that because someone enjoys anime they might not be making the right decisions in life? That's like saying that you might not be making the right decisions in life because you like watching Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares. It's tastes like any other.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;41988192]Homosexuality isn't something that you should seek help for. If you carry it out in reality with consent, whose it gonna hurt? No one. A sexually immature child is a different case completely.[/QUOTE] You were expected to seek help for it in the past.

[QUOTE=Hellduck;41988097]is it? because a large proportion of child abusers were themselves abused as children which would suggest its not necessarily something youre born with[/QUOTE] This is only true for some pedophiles, and it's more likely with those who will commit abuse than those who will not. Most pedophiles have a completely normal childhood, and realize over time in puberty that they also have pedophillic tendencies. It's not necessarily like anything "caused" it to appear.