[QUOTE=Limed00d;41994702]you people ought to stop comparing pedophilia to homosexuality
really[/QUOTE]
why? how much you like children and how much you like the same sex is equally controllable. (not controllable)
[QUOTE=sweetbro;41994714]why? how much you like children and how much you like the same sex is equally controllable. (not controllable)[/QUOTE]
Children can't consent. A mentally and sexually developed adult can.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41994724]Children can't consent. A mentally and sexually developed adult can.[/QUOTE]
not every single pedophile acts on their feelings, and lolicon helps with that. you might as well ban furry art, as well.
[QUOTE=sweetbro;41994730]not every single pedophile acts on their feelings, and lolicon helps with that. you might as well ban furry art, as well.[/QUOTE]
it's still a paraphilia that's centered around what can only be rape if acted upon
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41994753]it's still a paraphilia that's centered around rape[/QUOTE]
its a fetish, you dont pick and choose those. its just fucked (imo) that they are criminalizing one of the vents for it.
[QUOTE=sweetbro;41994763]its a fetish, you dont pick and choose those. its just fucked (imo) that they are criminalizing one of the vents for it.[/QUOTE]
It's not just some harmless fetish though, it's a mental disorder that can lead to some horrible real life situations. Homosexuality is something we know is a valid and harmless sexual orientation.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41994807]It's not just some harmless fetish though, it's a mental disorder that can lead to some horrible real life situations. Homosexuality is something we know is a valid and harmless sexuality.[/QUOTE]
im not promoting having sex with children, nor am i a pedophile. im just saying that banning harmless lolicon was a bad move.
[QUOTE=sweetbro;41994813]im not promoting having sex with children, nor am i a pedophile. im just saying that banning harmless lolicon was a bad move.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with banning it either, but we were just talking about everyone comparing pedophilia and homosexuality.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41994826]I don't agree with banning it either, but we were talking about everyone comparing pedophilia and homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
i get you. im saying they are similar, not identical. you cant choose whether youre a pedophile or whether youre gay, right? you cant have pedophilia cured with therapy or religion, and its the same for homosexuality. why is pedophilia considered a disorder, but not homosexuality?
[QUOTE=sweetbro;41994851]i get you. im saying they are similar, not identical. you cant choose whether youre a pedophile or whether youre gay, right? you cant have pedophilia cured with therapy or religion, and its the same for homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
sure, they're similar in that regard, but it's more the fact that this is the go-to comparison everyone is making, which is really offensive and unfair to homosexuals to have their already largely stigmatised sexual orientation compared to a disorder centred around child rape. notice how nobody is comparing it to heterosexuality, or other things people can't help
[QUOTE]why is pedophilia considered a disorder, but not homosexuality?[/QUOTE]
one's inherently harmless when acted upon and the other isn't
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41994890]sure, they're similar in that regard, but it's more the fact that this is the go-to comparison everyone is making, which is really offensive and unfair to homosexuals to have their already largely stigmatised sexual orientation compared to a disorder centred around child rape. notice how nobody is comparing it to heterosexuality, or other things people can't help
[/QUOTE]
its being compared to homosexuality because they are both outside the zone that is considered "normal" by most. you cannot say pedophilia is a disorder, and try to say homosexuality isnt.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41994890]one's inherently harmless when acted upon and the other isn't[/QUOTE]
Homosexuals can't be raped?
[QUOTE=Paramud;41995004]Homosexuals can't be raped?[/QUOTE]
don't act stupid, you know exactly what I was talking about
[QUOTE=Paramud;41995004]Homosexuals can't be raped?[/QUOTE]
(Adult) homosexuals can consent, children can't.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41994724]Children can't consent. A mentally and sexually developed adult can.[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with the context it's being compared. In some regards it is highly similar to homosexuality, as in it is not something you chose, it's not ordinary, and through time it has been looked down upon. It is true that one is illegal for a good reason, but that doesn't automatically mean all its other similarities are suddenly moot.
The main reason they're being so commonly compared on this subject, is because pedophiles are in a much similar situation to what homosexuals used to be.
[QUOTE=sweetbro;41994962]its being compared to homosexuality because they are both outside the zone that is considered "normal" by most. you cannot say pedophilia is a disorder, and try to say homosexuality isnt.[/QUOTE]
homosexuality is so widespread and harmless that we understand it's a fairly normal thing that isn't a problem. pedophilia is not something we can really just accept as it revolves around the attraction to children incapable of consent, so we treat it as a problem as it has real dangers involved
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41995067]homosexuality is so widespread and harmless that we understand it's a fairly normal thing that isn't a problem. pedophilia is not something we can really just accept as it revolves around the attraction to children incapable of consent, so we treat it as a problem as it has real dangers involved[/QUOTE]
It should be seen as a problem, but it's better to treat pedophiles as victims of their sexuality than as having as criminals by nature. It's not until they act on their urges that they should be seen as criminals, because the pedophiles who have not need to not fear seeking treatment.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41995020]don't act stupid, you know exactly what I was talking about[/QUOTE]
(What you were talking about was wrong.)
Sex of any method is not inherently harmless. There is no sexual situation which could not potentially harm someone, physically or psychologically.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41994753]it's still a paraphilia that's centered around what can only be rape if acted upon[/QUOTE]
Rape by the legal definition. They don't get off to the idea of raping a young girl and ruining her life forever (at least most of them don't), they're simply attracted to younger people. They more often than not don't ACT on these urges because they don't want to ruin someones life, they don't want to hurt people. Their sexual attraction lies in younger people, NOT in raping younger people. They may have a fucked up fetish but most of them are still human beings that have empathy. The majority of them probably won't even look at child porn itself either, because thats supporting an 'industry' thats actively harming children. At least they always have lolico- oh wait.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41994890]one's inherently harmless when acted upon and the other isn't[/QUOTE]
it's different though, because homosexuality is a more broad thing, it kind of dictates what your fetishes can be.
i'm somewhat of a pedophile myself, and i'm not ONLY attracted to children, it's just a fetish like any other. sure acting upon pedophilia can never be consensual but i don't think that makes it a disorder, it isn't the cause of people acting upon their urges, and i don't think it even makes people more prone to do so, its just a fetish and anyone who understands that rape is wrong and children can't consent will be able to resist it. not being able to resist sexual urges is a whole different thing that applies to way more than just pedophilia.
think of it like this: if a regular old heterosexual male with no obscure fetishes can't control his sexual urges, it's the same as a pedophile who can't, the pedophile is just in a more unfortunate situation because there's no chance of it being consensual, that doesn't suddenly make pedophilia a "disorder", it's just that if you have a sexual disorder AND are a pedophile you're in a tricky situation. and like i said earlier, not all pedophiles are ONLY attracted to children, so that might not even apply to all pedophiles with sexual disorders
[QUOTE=Y'all.;41995154]-citizen snips-[/QUOTE]
Might not be the best thing to say here, you know.
[QUOTE=Paramud;41995165]Might not be the best thing to say here, you know.[/QUOTE]
Nothing was particularly wrong with what he said. More fuel for the discussion.
Well that's dumb. They're drawings.
this is dumb
what if the author says "this girl is 1000 years old and also an android". now what?
I wonder if this also applies to furries. If not, does it apply to catgirls?
[QUOTE=Simski;41995244]does it apply to catgirls?[/QUOTE]
can't judge age of a drawing i guess \/ :v: \/
facepunch justifies pedophilia for what i can conceivably see as two possible reasons.
reason number one being the most obvious considering this is a forum that most people would argue is populated by the "socially awkward", furries, bronies, etc. i understand not all of either of those fandoms embrace the sexual aspect, but most do. many of the people in these fandoms that contribute art contribute pornography which most of the time features teenage/child characters (considering most of the fandom is probably in the 14-19 age range, but for the sake of simplicity on the brony side of the argument you could just say its a show for KIDS) i believe that after a long while of relieving themselves to nothing but pictures of underage rabbits/wolves/ponies/whatever, they've developed this subconscious acceptance that "it's ok" and "it really doesn't hurt anybody and i was born into this sexual preference" both of which are obviously false.
of course you could always just say they're fucked in the head but i guess that would be considered trolling. you can masturbate to your pony and furry pictures all you want but please don't lessen the value of what sexuality which is something somebody is born with, you aren't born a furry or a brony.
[QUOTE=Paramud;41995114](What you were talking about was wrong.)
Sex of any method is not inherently harmless. There is no sexual situation which could not potentially harm someone, physically or psychologically.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you're getting at
I was saying that homosexual relationships and sex are completely fine by definition. I'm obviously not including rape or anything here. However, for a pedophile it's completely different if applied the same way, as it's always rape
[QUOTE=Shosray2;41995474]they've developed this subconscious acceptance that "it's ok" and "it really doesn't hurt anybody and i was born into this sexual preference" both of which are obviously false.[/QUOTE]
could you explain what's so obviously false about it, i don't see any clear explanation here
[QUOTE=Shosray2;41995474]"it really doesn't hurt anybody and i was born into this sexual preference" both of which are obviously false.
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False? And who got hurt by a man who likes to get off to drawings? Lmao
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