[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984099]if you think paedophilia is a sexuality...
i actually have no words
end yourself[/QUOTE]
It's not "a" sexuality, but it is part of normal human sexuality as much as any other fetish or idea is. You can call it "wrong" if you want, and I'd agree, I'd also call about 90% of the other fetishes in the world that, but that doesn't mean people who have them can't practice them if nobody else is getting hurt.
why on earth is everyone comparing homosexuality to paedophillia
i'd be fucking furious if i was gay that's for sure
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;41984114]Are you seriously comparing scat to the illusion of little girls being fucked?[/QUOTE]
How are they different other than the obvious way. They're both fetishes, go ahead, tell me how they're different from more than the obvious "well one is shit and the other is little girls."
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;41984114]Are you seriously comparing scat to the illusion of little girls being fucked?[/QUOTE]
Exactly the same number of people are being harmed in either case (e.g. 0)
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41984067]People like to pretend they're progressive because they're fine with homosexuality, but they're just as prejudiced against other orientations as those they call bigots.[/QUOTE]
Pedophilia isn't an orientation, though! Heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality etc. is about consenting relationships between people who can, well, consent. Children can't consent to sex with adults, they're not mature enough to handle it, both physically and mentally. Not to mention the power imbalance that comes with such a great age difference.
In many countries, therapists are poorly equipped for dealing with a pedophile. Some actively believe pedophiles are inherently child rapists; others are willing to help pedophiles, but they don't really know how to approach the issue. In other words, there's no uniform therapy for dealing with pedophilia, and some therapists aren't even willing to help pedophiles.
You're literally playing Russian Roulette if you try to go for therapy. It's very easy to tell a pedophile to "go get help" without realizing that many therapists don't even know [i]how[/i] to help.
Not to mention, very little scientific evidence actually suggests pedophiles need to change. In fact, 40% of all child molesters aren't pedophiles - they're sociopaths.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41983982]you're an idiot if you think pedophillia is a fetish[/QUOTE]
There's literally no scientific proof suggesting otherwise, which is one of the reasons why APA has actively moved away from labeling pedophilia a disorder.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;41984117]It's not "a" sexuality, but it is part of [B]normal [/B]human sexuality as much as any other fetish or idea is. You can call it "wrong" if you want, and I'd agree, I'd also call about 90% of the other fetishes in the world that, but that doesn't mean people who have them can't practice them if nobody else is getting hurt.[/QUOTE]
hahahahahahhaha
well lolicon is fucking disgusting but 5 years in prison? thats kind of stupid..
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;41984091]Comparing furries and zoophiles is just idiotic and you damn well know it.[/QUOTE]
no healthy human being should be pleasuring themselves to images of animals, or little girls - fictional/drawn or not
as far as I'm concerned that's the end of the discussion
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984099]if you think paedophilia is a sexuality...
i actually have no words
end yourself[/QUOTE]
You know orientation and preferences are part of your sexuality, right?
Might not be a bad idea to educate yourself before telling people to go kill themselves, civilized human being that you are.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41984128]Pedophilia isn't an orientation, though! Heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality etc. is about consenting relationships between people who can, well, consent. Children can't consent to sex with adults, they're not mature enough to handle it, both physically and mentally. Not to mention the power imbalance that comes with such a great age difference.[/QUOTE]
And children not being able to consent makes child porn wrong, but what in the hell is wrong with drawings?
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984122]why on earth is everyone comparing homosexuality to paedophillia
i'd be fucking furious if i was gay that's for sure[/QUOTE]
I'm bisexual, I don't see any problem with it. I wouldn't mind it being compared to bisexuality either, as I've felt plenty of times that I did not choose this.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41984128]Pedophilia isn't an orientation, though! Heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality etc. is about consenting relationships between people who can, well, consent. Children can't consent to sex with adults, they're not mature enough to handle it, both physically and mentally. Not to mention the power imbalance that comes with such a great age difference.[/QUOTE]
Drawings don't need to give consent.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41984138]You know orientation and preferences are part of your sexuality, right?
Might not be a bad idea to educate yourself before telling people to go kill themselves, civilized human being that you are.[/QUOTE]
"small children" fits nowhere on any plot, diagram or hypothetical construction of sexual orientation
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41984128]Pedophilia isn't an orientation, though! Heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality etc. is about consenting relationships between people who can, well, consent. Children can't consent to sex with adults, they're not mature enough to handle it, both physically and mentally. Not to mention the power imbalance that comes with such a great age difference.[/QUOTE]
The problem here is that you're saying that imagining child molestation is as bad as actually doing it in real life. We can't police thoughts.
[QUOTE=zerosix;41984137]no healthy human being should be pleasuring themselves to images of animals, or little girls - fictional/drawn or not
as far as I'm concerned that's the end of the discussion[/QUOTE]
And back in the 60s people said "no healthy human should be attracted to the same sex" and now we see that as idiotic and wrong thinking, you have an opinion and I respect that, but until you can factually prove that that's unhealthy to anyone, nobody has to listen to your opinion.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41984128]Pedophilia isn't an orientation, though! Heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality etc. is about consenting relationships between people who can, well, consent. Children can't consent to sex with adults, they're not mature enough to handle it, both physically and mentally. Not to mention the power imbalance that comes with such a great age difference.[/QUOTE]
While the consent issue is very true, it's important to note too that pedophiles cannot literally change.
There were actually two pedophiles who did an AMA on reddit - a female and a male - and their therapies are very similar to orientation-control therapy. They basically have to program their minds to actively dismiss pedophilic thoughts as harmful, deviant, and negative.
The therapies work, but it's pretty clear that pedophilia is hardwired. Even if it isn't an orientation, it's still a very strong paraphilia.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;41984152]Nail on the head. Just because loli is illegal won't make pedophiles stop being pedophiles. It just takes away their alternative, leaving them with real CP that actually does harm children.
It's all about who it's hurting, honestly. Banning violent video games won't make psychopaths go away and criminalizing lolicon isn't going to make pedophiles go away. It's not very hard to comprehend.[/QUOTE]
why would making loli illegal remove it as an alternative to real CP?
real CP is just as illegal
Don't get me wrong but I'd rather have pedos looking at drawings of children in sexual acts than for them to look at actual pictures of said acts, at least this may be enough to satisfy some of them and it doesn't hurt real children, I can't see any outcome where banning it is a good thing.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984154]"small children" fits nowhere on any plot, diagram or hypothetical construction of sexual orientation[/QUOTE]
That doesn't matter, you can't simply dismiss it as an orientation or preference just because you don't like it.
Btw, still interested in hearing legitimate and rational arguments for banning lolicon.
Goodluck enforcing it.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984176]why would making loli illegal remove it as an alternative to real CP?
real CP is just as illegal[/QUOTE]
Why would making loli illegal have any positive effect whatsoever.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984176]why would making loli illegal remove it as an alternative to real CP?
real CP is just as illegal[/QUOTE]
This post makes no sense at any point.
I'm pretty certain that being a pedophile and being a child molester are two totally different things. While I don't like Lolicon I certainly don't appreciate assumed guilt with any legal system. It's a bad case of correlation equals causation.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984176]why would making loli illegal remove it as an alternative to real CP?
real CP is just as illegal[/QUOTE]
The only reason real CP is illegal is because it was produced through exploitation of real children, and the producers earn money off of committing a crime (child molestation).
Criminalizing information itself is dangerous territory that needs to be handled carefully.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984176]why would making loli illegal remove it as an alternative to real CP?
real CP is just as illegal[/QUOTE]
Because if they're just as illegal, then they are no longer encouraged to settle with the harmless but less realistic option of the two.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984099]if you think paedophilia is a sexuality...
i actually have no words
end yourself
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling and again telling an user to kill himself" - Orkel))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
Yorkel Snorkel is my favourite mod, just sayin'
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984099]if you think paedophilia is a sexuality...
i actually have no words
end yourself
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling and again telling an user to kill himself" - Orkel))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
Thanks Orkel, you're a champ.
At least attempting to discuss it further would've been nice but I'll take this just the same.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41984066]When you have a fire you need to extinguish, you generally don't pour hot oil on it.
"fake" CP doesn't solve the problem, it just delays it and allows it to get progressively worse in the meantime[/QUOTE]
Real CP doesn't solve the problem either, and banning it altogether is not a solution as pedophiles will rather act on their impulses than forget them altogether just because there isn't anything out there as an alternative to satisfy them. I'd rather have the problem delayed than the alternative. Having lolicon is not pouring hot oil in a fire, it's trying to put it out with a bucket of water until we can find a fire extinguisher.
If a kid writes about killing their peers and teacher and you find out you try to get help for the kid, if someone is found looking at lolicon the most you can do is try to get them help to solve their problem, going further than that with no crime commited is being thought police, and once we go there you might as well be arrested on random accusations without proof.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41984131]hahahahahahhaha[/QUOTE]
[quote]Despite the lack of statistics, other sources indicate that sexual relations between adults and children have always existed. Attitudes toward this have changed over the course of history, and these relations have been condemned since late antiquity. [B]Despite this we can find examples of prominent figures, including Saint Augustine (354–430), Muhammad (570–632), and Gandhi (1869–1948), who publicly enjoyed the company of young children and may have had sexual relations with them.[/B]
[B]In the strictly hierarchical society of classical Greece, sexual relations between an adult man and a boy were seen as contributing to the boy's education.[/B] In late antiquity this view was questioned by, among others, the poet Ovid and the philosopher Plutarch. They argued that such a relationship was not fulfilling for the adult, since the boy, due to his inferior social status, was not allowed to express his own desire. This devaluated the joy of his adult partner and so men were better served by having sexual relations with women.[/quote]
[url]http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Pedophilia.html[/url]
It's safe to say that if it has been prominent in history, we can call it as normal as any other fetish.
Mind you, normal does not mean it needs to be accepted, just saying that it's not something that just popped up out of nowhere.
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