[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984212]at least pony porn is safe!!!
but really, shits fucked and should blatantly be illegal.
its like saying a kid writing about murdering a bunch of his school teachers shouldn't be dealt with because "no-one is actually being harmed"[/QUOTE]
Those two things aren't even similar. One is a sign of possible mental illness, the other is perfectly normal sexual behavior.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984212]
its like saying a kid writing about murdering a bunch of his school teachers shouldn't be dealt with because "no-one is actually being harmed"[/QUOTE]
Of course there's reason to consider dealing with it, you just shouldn't throw those kids in jail and/or register them as a sex offenders for it.
Again, you can't police people's thoughts. You shouldn't be thrown in jail for just imagining what it would be like to rob a bank.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41983920]We shouldn't be encouraging paedophiles (because thats what anyone who consumes lolicon is). The argument that it keeps them away from real kids is bullshit - they should be getting help.
[editline]27th August 2013[/editline]
This is exactly what I'm talking about - they shouldn't be getting "relief" they should be getting professional help.[/QUOTE]
Except that it is a form of help.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984238]ok then since we have other porn threads why dont you go start a loli thread and we will see how that goes[/QUOTE]
I'm not even remotely interested in loli so I wouldn't, but I fail to see what point you're trying to make by saying that.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984212]at least pony porn is safe!!!
but really, shits fucked and should blatantly be illegal.
its like saying a kid writing about murdering a bunch of his school teachers shouldn't be dealt with because "no-one is actually being harmed"[/QUOTE]
Notice how writing about murdering people isn't against the law however.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984238]ok then since we have other porn threads why dont you go start a loli thread and we will see how that goes[/QUOTE]
I think Facepunch is hosted in UK and it is some what illegal there already if I remember right.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;41984252]I think Facepunch is hosted in UK and it is some what illegal there already if I remember right.[/QUOTE]
It's hosted in the US.
What is lolicon? I have heard of it before but was to afraid to search.
Couldn't start a gore thread on this particular forum either...
[QUOTE=Zombie man70;41984264]What is lolicon? I have heard of it before but was to afraid to search.[/QUOTE]
Hentai children, basically.
Keep in mind too that many individuals who enjoy lolicon/shotacon are not actually pedophiles.
For instance, one of my friends in LA is an artist who likes to draw shotacon on her deviantart. She's not attracted to little kids at all, and all of her sexual relationships have been with adults or people within her age bracket. But she still draws shotacon and enjoys it.
Outlawing shotacon would prevent her from drawing something she loves to draw and look at. It's a law that attempts to police her for failing to fit into a social norm that dictates "enjoying x subject = you are a child rapist."
Honestly confused why they even did this.
There's literally no reason to do this.
If we were to apply this kind of logic to other fetishes about 50% of the internet would be gone
[QUOTE=Scar;41983857]Always nice to see France get worse.
Seriously though, this is retarded.[/QUOTE]
For our defense we legalized gay marriage not three months ago.
Also this law is going to be countered japan-style by having legal characters who are well above 18 but still look like 12 years old girls.
[QUOTE=Zombie man70;41984264]What is lolicon? I have heard of it before but was to afraid to search.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lMABDiI.png[/IMG]
I ain't going to france in a long time.
Unless maxofs2d does a rave party.
I wonder how many people realize that a good amount of anti-lolicon arguments in this thread can also apply to violent video games.
In fact, I challenge someone to come up with an argument you can't twist a bit to apply to violent video games too.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984212]at least pony porn is safe!!!
but really, shits fucked and should blatantly be illegal.
its like saying a kid writing about murdering a bunch of his school teachers shouldn't be dealt with because "no-one is actually being harmed"[/QUOTE]
But there's no scientific proof suggesting someone who enjoys fictionalized sexual children will go out and molest a child.
Many pedophiles - arguably, most - have a strong moral system which prevents them from ever touching a child, let alone non-sexually approaching one to begin with.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41984292]But there's no scientific proof suggesting someone who enjoys fictionalized sexual children will go out and molest a child.
Many pedophiles - arguably, most - have a strong moral system which prevents them from ever touching a child, let alone non-sexually approaching one to begin with.[/QUOTE]
There's also no reason to assume that someone who likes lolicon would find actual children attractive, and if people actually cared to ask anyone, they'd find out that most aren't.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984308]are you trying to say abused children are on the same level as videogames
nice argument
see the difference between those two is that if you get a boner from brutally murdering someone in a videogame then you have other problems
this on the other hand is a root problem with someones sexuality
at least in countries where its illegal to fuck children[/QUOTE]
Please tell me how lolicon is "abused children?"
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984275]this is literally base around someone being attracted to kids, and playing out fantasies.
lets say you have a daughter, and someone says "hey i really want to jam it in your daughter but im not going to do it because its illegal and i have other outlets" would you be ok with that?[/QUOTE]
Okay but that's not the same. Someone saying they want to fuck my kid is a seriously different situation situation that someone getting off to lolicon.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984308]are you trying to say abused children are on the same level as videogames
nice argument
see the difference between those two is that if you get a boner from brutally murdering someone in a videogame then you have other problems
this on the other hand is a root problem with someones sexuality
at least in countries where its illegal to fuck children[/QUOTE]
Abused drawn children, sure.
You know, the type who have no feelings and don't exist beyond the 2d plane?
It seems like its just alot of stereotyping
Like watching porn where the actress pretends to be a high school girl
Doesn't mean you are going to waltz into a school and start dry humping a chick
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984308]are you trying to say abused children are on the same level as videogames
nice argument
see the difference between those two is that if you get a boner from brutally murdering someone in a videogame then you have other problems
this on the other hand is a root problem with someones sexuality
at least in countries where its illegal to fuck children[/QUOTE]
You are comparing images to IRL stuff, stop that.
Saying people who enjoy drawn images, enjoy real children and are pedophiles is like saying liking violence is being a psychopath murderer
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984284]because i can tell you if you have cranked it to drawn kids you have gotten a boner from real kids
wow merge thanks[/QUOTE]
"And here's all my evidence!: *fucking nothing*"
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984275]lets say you have a daughter, and someone says "hey i really want to jam it in your daughter but im not going to do it because its illegal and i have other outlets" would you be ok with that?[/QUOTE]
Even if the daughter was 43 years old you'd be practically guaranteed to get punched if you told her father you want to "jam it in her".
I don't think this is going to help too many people, will be near-impossible to enforce, and is thinking about things the wrong way.
Murder is of course bad, as is child molestation, but you don't ban video games in which you can murder people because [I]it is not real.[/I]
what draws the line between legal and illegal? a creator can easily just say that all of his or her loli characters are 18 or 10,000 years old, and according to the criminal code article, that would be legal. (unless I poorly translated it or something)
[QUOTE=Simski;41984340]Even if the daughter was 43 years old you'd be practically guaranteed to get punched if you told her father you want to "jam it in her".[/QUOTE]
"Hey, uhh, I really like your daughter a lot. You know, I was thinking about sticking my dick in her pussy. Are you cool with that?"
Clearly a conversation that happens all the time :v:.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984308]
this on the other hand is a root problem with someones sexuality
at least in countries where its illegal to fuck children[/QUOTE]
How about we ban all porn where the actress is dressed in anything resembling a school uniform? Shouldn't be imagining sex with school girls, bad sexuality
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;41984362]the problem with this argument is its subjective
the problem is
you people have a really REALLY undesirable attitude towards it that literally makes me think the worst of you.
Im not denying that im biased in this argument since I really dont want to see a guy touch little girls/boys, but that doesnt make my arguments invalid since the accepted laws dont just get overthrown because "lol i dont agree with this" otherwise the world would still be run by religious nuts.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I think you find that the vast majority of lolicon defenders in this thread aren't actually into lolicon themselves.
But we're defending this because, y'know, double standards are kind of awful.
And your arguments aren't necessarily invalid as much as they can be applied to fucking [b]anything[/b] and be equally relevant.
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