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[QUOTE=LordCrypto;48030253]a. :| b. that moral perspective is not directly based on appeasing a big man in the sky[/QUOTE] Precisely, so your reasons for keeping it separated from thr state are entirely arbitrary. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48030258]you really are just being thick for the sake of it[/QUOTE] I've wondered the same thing about you several times in this discussion

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030261]Precisely, so your reasons for keeping it separated from thr state are entirely arbitrary.[/QUOTE] OMFG they're fucking nottttttttt a moral code based solely on appeasing a man in the sky is not objectively just, instead you're just assuming that the man in the sky is able to punish you at some point in the future if you do not act morally

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030261]Precisely, so your reasons for keeping it separated from thr state are entirely arbitrary.[/QUOTE] look dude it's a simple fucking question do you want other people to be able to impose their religion on you, yes or no

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030261]Precisely, so your reasons for keeping it separated from thr state are entirely arbitrary.[/QUOTE] Can you think of any benefit to the merging of church and state? [editline]22nd June 2015[/editline] Also you're a shitty person if you need religion to have morals.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48030267]Can you think of any benefit to the merging of church and state? [/QUOTE] his views could be enforced on other people

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48030267]Can you think of any benefit to the merging of church and state?[/QUOTE] No, politics has no place influencing the Church. [QUOTE]Also you're a shitty person if you need religion to have morals.[/QUOTE] Also, more likely than not you morals are shitty if you've formulated them yourself (and if your morals are shitty, guess what that makes you).

moral codes based on gods are the equivalent of coerced consent "i'll do the right thing because it's the good thing to do" "i'll do the right thing because my husband will hit me if i don't" [editline]22nd June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030282]No, politics has no place influencing the Church. [B]Also, more likely than not you morals are shitty if you've formulated them yourself (and if your morals are shitty, guess what that makes you).[/B][/QUOTE] i'm done i've actually got nothing left to say to you

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030282]Also, more likely than not you morals are shitty if you've formulated them yourself (and if your morals are shitty, guess what that makes you).[/QUOTE] yeah man human suffering is bad and should be minimized what shitty morals, doesn't even say anything about gay people or mixed fabrics 3/10

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030282]Also, more likely than not you morals are shitty if you've formulated them yourself (and if your morals are shitty, guess what that makes you).[/QUOTE] I disagree. Most people are capable of formulating proper and society-aiding morals, without depending on religion for the groundwork.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;48030287]moral codes based on gods are the equivalent of coerced consent "i'll do the right thing because it's the good thing to do" "i'll do the right thing because my husband will hit me if i don't" [editline]22nd June 2015[/editline] i'm done i've actually got nothing left to say to you[/QUOTE] You do realize that it's specifically religions that actually have a concept of objective morals, or things being right because they are good?

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030238]Ok, so you are determining what the government should do based on your own moral perspective, just as a religious person would. The only difference is you don't base your morals in a divinely inspired text.[/QUOTE] Just because a person's moral perspective happens to align with their rational-legal perspective doesn't mean that their argument is equally founded to one based on scripture. I think it's moral to give to the poor, but it's also good for economic and social reasons, which fall into the rational category. Since the government answers to me, and not the holy book, the rational reasons are the valid ones.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030282]No, politics has no place influencing the Church. [/quote] I like how you've come to the correct conclusion even with your flawed backwards logic. Which makes it apparent that you are arguing for the sake of argument. [quote] Also, more likely than not you morals are shitty if you've formulated them yourself.[/QUOTE] What kind of batshit insane world do you live in [editline]22nd June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030303]You do realize that it's specifically religions that actually have a concept of objective morals, or things being right because they are good?[/QUOTE] I'd love to see some citations to back such an obviously erroneous claim.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030303]You do realize that it's specifically religions that actually have a concept of objective morals, or things being right because they are good?[/QUOTE] what [B]the[/B] [B][U][I]fuck[/I][/U][/B] "The Bible also says that God wrote His law on our hearts (Romans 2:15). This is conscience. In other words, even without God’s revelation in the commandments, we intuitively know God’s law based on the fact that we were created in His image." that would be subjective morals, as the big guy created them

i feel as though people who need religion to keep themselves morally aligned have empathy problems because i don't do bad things to people because i know how it feels/would feel if i did instead of not doing it because i am worried i will.be eternally punished for doing it. one is selfish, the other is not.

Hell the religious morals he harps about had to be, at one point, created by someone. Therefore by his logic church morality is inherently flawed. Good work with the self defeating argument.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48030327]Hell the religious morals he harps about had to be, at one point, created by someone. Therefore by his logic church morality is inherently flawed. Good work with the self defeating argument.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]You shall not pervert the justice due an alien or an orphan, nor take a widow's garment in pledge. "But you shall remember that you were a slave in Egypt, and that the LORD your God redeemed you from there; therefore I am commanding you to do this thing.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.[/QUOTE] that doesn't sound like [I]objective[/I] morals to me

I'm genuinely confused, most people on this site are dead-set against the concept of objective morality in favour of moral relativity. Are you all just being contrary or did I come across some of the weirder members? Obviously if you have a secular outlook you don't have an objective basis for your morals. Also the the ten commandments are a pretty obvious place to start if your looking for objective morals in religion.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030336]I'm genuinely confused, most people on this site are dead-set against the concept of objective morality in favour of moral relativity. Are you all just being contrary or did I come across some of the weirder members? Obviously if you have a secular outlook you don't have an objective basis for your morals. Also the the ten commandments are a pretty obvious place to start if your looking for objective morals in religion.[/QUOTE] we're being contrary cause you're unbelievably stupid [editline]22nd June 2015[/editline] (10 commandments were created by a dude, making them subjective fyi)

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030336]I'm genuinely confused, most people on this site are dead-set against the concept of objective morality in favour of moral relativity. Are you all just being contrary or did I come across some of the weirder members? Obviously if you have a secular outlook you don't have an objective basis for your morals. Also the the ten commandments are a pretty obvious place to start if your looking for objective morals in religion.[/QUOTE] The objective basis for my morality is my human empathy. Something that you apparently lack as you require religion to teach you morality.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;48030339](10 commandments were created by a dude, making them subjective fyi)[/QUOTE] Proof that you don't know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030336]I'm genuinely confused, most people on this site are dead-set against the concept of objective morality in favour of moral relativity. Are you all just being contrary or did I come across some of the weirder members? Obviously if you have a secular outlook you don't have an objective basis for your morals. Also the the ten commandments are a pretty obvious place to start if your looking for objective morals in religion.[/QUOTE] Yeah because for the most part objective morality is a shit idea

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030346]Proof that you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] you first

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030346]Proof that you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] What do you want us to say? That they were created by a God?

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030346]Proof that you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] I'd love to see YOU prove that the ten commandments where divinely created.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48030346]Proof that you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] some dude sat down and said "i'm gonna write what god's rules are" how is that not subjective?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48030327]Hell the religious morals he harps about had to be, at one point, created by someone. Therefore by his logic church morality is inherently flawed. Good work with the self defeating argument.[/QUOTE] No you see because I'm a young Earth creationist. Creationism and scientific study of the Earth are equal because they both manifest themselves as theories and any distinction you draw is arbitrary unlike these totally objective commandments I've pulled from a 2000 year old book of stories which demands my obedience or else face eternal damnation in a metaphysical toture pit filled with fire and brimstone.

the golden rule, "do to others as you would like done to yourself," allows for a set of subjective morals that largely fall similarly throughout all humanity: nobody* likes when people are rude to them, steal from them, assault them, restrict them, or kill them. and all of that can arise in a society in which no religion arises because the human experience known as empathy allows it to arise.

After all the burden of proof is on you right now.

and even if they were divinely created, we would then have to assume that all other deities also exist and created their own moral standards meaning that they would all be subjective based on their religion

[QUOTE=Kyle902;48030352]I'd love to see YOU prove that the ten commandments where divinely created.[/QUOTE] That doesn't matter, what matters is that doctrinally speaking they were considered objective because they were divinely inspired. I'm still finding it hard to believe that you guys are actually having trouble finding objective morals in the Bible of all places.