University of Oklahoma fraternity shut down after racist chant video goes viral - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;47289532]SAE was founded at the University of Alabama, and it is the only fraternity founded in the pre-war south. This doesn't surprise me at all. This song probably travelled throughout the nation from there.[/QUOTE] This is a stupid way of looking at it. [editline]11th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jonii;47289798]Not all fraternities are bad. Some are professional, some are created as a service opportunity, some for philanthropic purposes, but some are just "party frats" that don't really do anything. The point of fraternities is that they are brotherhoods, people coming together for a common reason. Whether it's to belong or a noble purpose or to party depends on the fraternity.[/QUOTE] Fraternities on average have a higher GPA and do more than any geed ever does on campus. We raise more money for philanthropic events and prepare our brothers and sisters for a life after college. We serve our communities. We also drink. So what? Wow I'm just got going to report into this cesspool of a thread. Take your heads out of your asses people. Closeminded views generalizing an entire population, hmm, sounds familiar. It's like you guys get all your info about greek life from shitty websites like TSM and TFM

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;47300094]This is a stupid way of looking at it.[/QUOTE] Thank you for your well though out and intelligent reply... [editline]11th March 2015[/editline] But I agree with the rest of your post. Lol, I ain't no geed.

[QUOTE=kaizari;47289478]If you look at different social groups, they often form behind something that they have in common. Sometimes its the place of residency, as in neighborhood friendships, sometimes its to enjoy an event together, as in sports fans, sometimes its to achieve something together, as in a sports team and sometimes people who want to build a social group but don't have something in common have to find a cause which allows them to feel connected. It is quite easy to build a "us against them" sentiment.[/QUOTE] I grew up in the suburbia of Sydney with all kinds of cultural groups around me from an early age, it shocks me that my good friend who grew up in a hick town up here is incredibly racist. I've never been able to understand how people think this way. He's a lot better now though, but years ago he was terrible.

i mean jeez, frat life definitely isn't my scene, i even hate dorm life, but that's because I formed my own opinion about these things through first hand experience, not what I learned through college movies.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47299105]Anyone cares enough to explain to me what the hell is greek life?[/QUOTE] Whenever I think of Greeks, I think of people lounging around in togas while debating philosophy and buggering kids.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47292273]The jealousy is strong in this thread. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] How come you aren't perma'd yet? All I ever see from you is shitposting. [editline]11th March 2015[/editline] Anyway, glad that they got shut down as well as that the cook got some help to move on.

people associated with greek life tend to fall on one side of the spectrum or another in my experience, either the nicest or the worst. I used to date a girl in AOII and I met a lot of cool girls and guys who are in frats/sororities but I also met a fair share of assholes. I understand the appeal but it's not for everyone, and that's that, not that complicated. [editline]11th March 2015[/editline] Granted I think it's safe to say Greek life probably differs quite a bit between schools. I go to USF, and I have friends who go to UF that have frats that are full of total assholes. My point is you can't lump everyone together. In terms of the story, supposedly the school legally wasn't allowed to expel those two kids, any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;47301722] In terms of the story, supposedly the school legally wasn't allowed to expel those two kids, any thoughts?[/QUOTE] A UCLA (basically first amendment) law professor defends this legality in the following article. Basically whats the difference with blacks hating whites and certain religions hating other religions and hate on homosexuality. [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/10/what-speech-is-going-to-justify-expulsion-next/[/url] Expulsion from the fraternity i can see that justified as what these guys did is totally opposite of what fraternities stand for and already people have bad thoughts about fraternities. It's a very controversial topic though to say the least. Personally i think expulsion from the fraternity is fit. Campus eh I'm not sure how to word it but bottom line they should be able to continue their education there.

Not to be a dick frankly to OU, but it brings shame on us Okies that such a fraternity will lower themselves to such low standards and insult us all as a group of individuals who want to actually learn and not be one of those specials that does this kind of behavior and ruins it for everyone else. And btw, Okie = Oklahomian.

[QUOTE=Alaura;47303367]Not to be a dick frankly to OU, but it brings shame on us Okies that such a fraternity will lower themselves to such low standards and insult us all as a group of individuals who want to actually learn and not be one of those specials that does this kind of behavior and ruins it for everyone else. And btw, Okie = Oklahomian.[/QUOTE] You know. I was born and raised in Oklahoma and have never referred to myself as an "okie". It's the equivalent of calling yourself white trash. Quite frankly, I'm not insulted. I just think that they were a group of idiots.

[QUOTE=KOS-MOS;47291722]Sounds like joining a fraternity/sorority is a waste of money.[/QUOTE] Here in berkeley where rent is really high, I actually saved money by moving into my fraternity, so I wouldn't say its a waste. Overall, people can say they don't like frats but having a place where a bunch of dudes or women come together to form a group is pretty natural. Look at sports, people complain about how rowdy frats are but I would say the sports teams here are just as bad. Don't get me wrong, I know of some really bad frats here who did fit the stereotype, but just like anything in this world, the stereotype only fits the minority of that group.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;47300081]I founded my fraternity chapter. I was the founding president, and I gained respect fast, even though I was seen as young blood in the greek game. It was a hell of an experience and it took a long ass time. Over the development of it, I found a few common trends. Every fraternity chapter in this country has cancer. Its cancer is a few, or more than a few members, that threaten to compromise and destroy the hard work it took to build a brotherhood. These men do not represent fraternities as a whole. Please stop hating on fraternities because you have your closed, media fed, outsiders view.[/QUOTE] [url=http://mic.com/articles/112240/12-incidents-that-prove-fraternity-and-sorority-racism-isn-t-just-an-oklahoma-problem?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social]Ahahaha[/url]

How the fuck do these morons even get into college/university? Oh right, parents with money.

[QUOTE=Levithan;47304504][url=http://mic.com/articles/112240/12-incidents-that-prove-fraternity-and-sorority-racism-isn-t-just-an-oklahoma-problem?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social]Ahahaha[/url][/QUOTE] Some of those are pretty bad, but I don't really get this one: [QUOTE]Dressed similarly to their Chi Omega counterparts at Penn State, members of the Kappa Alpha Theta sorority at Columbia University held a February 2014 mixer that featured five competing "teams:" The Mexicans, the Jamaican Bobsled Team, Japan, France and the Netherlands. The sombreros, mustaches and tequila bottles recall the Mexican stereotypes and tropes often played up on Cinco de Mayo, where cultural appropriation railroads a historical event. The "Japan" team not only threw chopsticks in their hair, they wore headbands with the country's flag on it and mimicked East Asians, some of whom frequently pose in photos with v-signs. [/QUOTE] My guess is the French ran around with baguettes and bad breath, and the dutch mimicked being high all the way through? There's a difference between playing on country stereotypes and being offensive, and the former is basically required if you're gonna do country themed teams. Is there anything negative about sombreros and v-signs that I don't get? Also - I'm not gonna defend fraternities/sororities (partly because I don't really "get" them") - but 12 incidents don't really prove a general picture.

[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;47303739]You know. I was born and raised in Oklahoma and have never referred to myself as an "okie". It's the equivalent of calling yourself white trash. Quite frankly, I'm not insulted. I just think that they were a group of idiots.[/QUOTE] Source from wikipedia: [quote]An Okie is a resident or native of Oklahoma. Like most terms that disparage specific groups, it was applied by the dominant cultural group. It is derived from the name of the state, similar to Texan or Tex for someone from Texas, or Arkie or Arkansawyer for a native of Arkansas. Link: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okie[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=Alaura;47307257]Source from wikipedia:[/QUOTE] If we're going to quote things, from the same article: [QUOTE]In the 1930s in California, the term (often used in contempt) came to refer to very poor migrants from Oklahoma (and nearby states).[/QUOTE] and [QUOTE]While some Oklahomans refer to themselves as Okies without prejudice, and it is often used jocularly; in a manner similar to the use of Hoosier by Indianans, Yankee by Northeasterners, or "Cracker" by native Floridians, none of whom consider these terms particularly insulting when applied to themselves. Others, however, still find the term highly offensive.[/QUOTE] I'm from the sticks. Anyone who calls themselves "okie" tends to be the stereotypical redneck/white trash sort. Going back to the original post, it's kinda amusing that the fraternity brings "shame" upon oklahomans when racism is pretty prevalent here. Obviously not excusing what the fraternity did.

[QUOTE=timothy80;47292031]This is one of the reasons why I'll never join a fucking fraternity at a university. I don't want to pay money to make friends. If I want to get in a damn party, I'll find it myself. Our local university was in the news recently over one of their frats breaking into a [B]fucking zoo, beating the shit out of a flamingo, taking it's mate back to their place and partying with it. [/B] Stupid idiots even made a vine rapping about the whole thing the same night.[/QUOTE] If you removed the beating up the flamingo bit, that sounds fucking awesome. Except for the part they beat up a flamingo.

[QUOTE=Levithan;47304504][URL="http://mic.com/articles/112240/12-incidents-that-prove-fraternity-and-sorority-racism-isn-t-just-an-oklahoma-problem?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social"]Ahahaha[/URL][/QUOTE] What an epic zinger dude! Why do you guys fail to see the goodness in greeklife? We raise a lot of money and do alot of community service hours. Its like, condemning an entire group/people for the actions of a few is some sort of..oh yeah stereotyping. On top of that, with your shitty response, my fraternity was founded because jewish students weren't allowed in the predominantly white culture of fraternity during the late 1860s and early 1900s. We are all inclusive, so dont fucking generalize, generalizing creates sweeping misunderstandings.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;47313325]What an epic zinger dude! Why do you guys fail to see the goodness in greeklife? We raise a lot of money and do alot of community service hours. Its like, condemning an entire group/people for the actions of a few is some sort of..oh yeah stereotyping. On top of that, with your shitty response, my fraternity was founded because jewish students weren't allowed in the predominantly white culture of fraternity during the late 1860s and early 1900s. We are all inclusive, so dont fucking generalize, generalizing creates sweeping misunderstandings.[/QUOTE] Lots of people raise money and do community deeds, it is not inherently unique to a fraternity, saying that though does not discredit the good. My personal issues with fraternities is that I dislike such artificialy constructed "brotherhood", it creates bonds on the basis of them just happening to be in the same frat. This also creates elitism, which isn't common in all frats, but when it appears, it's so bad that it gets on the damn news. I don't even know what greek life means, it is only ever referred to as greek life and that it's good and in fraternities. Great, thanks for the info, can you now explain the concept without making it sound incredibly pretentious?

[QUOTE=wewt!;47314868]Lots of people raise money and do community deeds, it is not inherently unique to a fraternity, saying that though does not discredit the good. My personal issues with fraternities is that I dislike such artificialy constructed "brotherhood", it creates bonds on the basis of them just happening to be in the same frat. This also creates elitism, which isn't common in all frats, but when it appears, it's so bad that it gets on the damn news. I don't even know what greek life means, it is only ever referred to as greek life and that it's good and in fraternities. Great, thanks for the info, can you now explain the concept without making it sound incredibly pretentious?[/QUOTE] Greek life is the term that is used when talking about fraternities and sororities as a whole. Greek letters are abbreviations for the names of fraternities. For example, SAE is short for Sigma Alpha Epsilon which I'm assuming are the starting letters to their actual founding name (i.e. Sally Ain't Easy, don't judge first thing that came to mind). I believe this is correct, for at least my letters represent the founding name. Now there are two types of greek life, social and academic. The social part is pretty much what everyone's argument is about here. Fraternity or sorority for meeting friends and developing future professional contacts. Academic Greek life is like the engineering fraternity or Agriculture which are there to provide help for studies. Now I don't know too much about the academic side of Greek life as I've only met a few people that have joined them, so I don't want to spout more information and confuse anyone. In regards to your personal issue, I guess in a sense, fraternities aren't the only "artificially constructed brotherhood". Wouldn't sports teams fall under the same category? As someone said earlier a few posts back, there are athletic teams that have their own group and such that are brought together simply because they joined the same team. They also do their fair share of partying. Elitism? There probably are guys that take that seriously. Me? I think elitism is an unfunny funny joke. Like "I'm not an alcoholic... I'm in a frat". A similar case, perhaps, is this PC master race crap. Like you said, it's not that common for elitism to be shown and perhaps it's mistaken for the pride the members have for their letters which is actually a very common trait. Anyways I hope that clears at least some things up, kind of in a rush since I got to leave for a small trip. I'll be initiating a new chapter of my fraternity which is an indescribable experience. Also I hope I don't seem like I'm attacking anyone's views here. Just trying to inform. On a related note, an anonymous fraternity member at OU sent a letter to TFM that I think is worth a read about what is happening on campus. People are being physically attacked and property is being vandalized. [url]http://totalfratmove.com/a-message-to-the-world-from-a-fraternity-member-at-the-university-of-oklahoma/[/url]

Michelle Obama and Dwight Eisenhower is in my fraternity. Well, honorary members. [editline]13th March 2015[/editline] We also have George H.W. Bush though...

[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;47312531]If we're going to quote things, from the same article: and I'm from the sticks. Anyone who calls themselves "okie" tends to be the stereotypical redneck/white trash sort. Going back to the original post, it's kinda amusing that the fraternity brings "shame" upon oklahomans when racism is pretty prevalent here. Obviously not excusing what the fraternity did.[/QUOTE] And your talking about back in the 30's when we had no real "black rights" and your trying to tell me that the okie sticks cause your so stuck on the fact that all Colored men have rights now, even if they choose not to see them as rights. Everyone does now, ever since MLK gave you those fucking rights.

[QUOTE=Alaura;47318168]And your talking about back in the 30's when we had no real "black rights" and your trying to tell me that the okie sticks cause your so stuck on the fact that all Colored men have rights now, even if they choose not to see them as rights. Everyone does now, ever since MLK gave you those fucking rights.[/QUOTE] Wat. I...What? Are you seriously trying to claim that I'm saying that black people having rights is bad? And no, not everyone has rights. There's still plenty of minorities that get the shaft when it comes to rights, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. In general, I can't make heads or tails of your post.

[QUOTE=Axsisel;47288734]What's the deal with blacks, there isn't any reason to hate them for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE]Racist people are mentally handicapped.

Apparently the chapter is considering legal action against the school. [url]http://kfor.com/2015/03/12/ou-sae-to-sue-ou-possibly-president-boren/[/url] [quote]He said they lacked judgment in a social setting, but they should not be tarred and feathered as racists.[/quote] Curious to see how they argue that a bus full of people chanting "There will never be a nigger in SAE!" isn't racist.

Every time I see Oklahoma recognized it's always for dumb bullshit like this. I feel like we're becoming Florida v2. [sp]Y'know, the sequel that will never live up to the original but is still at least worth mentioning[/sp]

[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;47318686]Wat. I...What? Are you seriously trying to claim that I'm saying that black people having rights is bad? And no, not everyone has rights. There's still plenty of minorities that get the shaft when it comes to rights, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. In general, I can't make heads or tails of your post.[/QUOTE] What i see you trying to tell me, is that black people still don't have rights when they actually do, And for that matter, everyone has "rights" in one way or another, I just don't think you see them.

[QUOTE=Alaura;47320852]What i see you trying to tell me, is that black people still don't have rights when they actually do, And for that matter, everyone has "rights" in one way or another, I just don't think you see them.[/QUOTE] Black people have more rights than they did twenty years ago, but there's still a great deal of issues to be dealt with. Many people still judge based on untrue stereotypes. The whole issue with SAE proves as much. As far as rights for people in general go, please. Don't me laugh. Sexual and gender minorities get the short end of the stick as far as it comes to rights (something that I get to deal with).

[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;47321678]Black people have more rights than they did twenty years ago, but there's still a great deal of issues to be dealt with. Many people still judge based on untrue stereotypes. The whole issue with SAE proves as much. As far as rights for people in general go, please. Don't me laugh. Sexual and gender minorities get the short end of the stick as far as it comes to rights (something that I get to deal with).[/QUOTE] "Don't make me laugh" Oh and the fact that people get treated differently is because of how they were treated a long time ago, If it wasnt for MLK, Then they would still be treated like that today, And you know, Haven't you seen where people are actually doing stuff about the Sexual and Gender problems? Persay, the problem about TG'ed people for example, more and more people everyday are getting that right complimented and less and less people are actually giving a flying fuck about what a persons body type is, and or their gender. So as far as i see it, people actually rights, they just need to be independent and stand their ground when they know something is right and someone on the other end of the stick is wrong. [editline]15th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Alaura;47327986]"Don't make me laugh" Oh and the fact that people get treated differently is because of how they were treated a long time ago, If it wasnt for MLK, Then they would still be treated like that today, And you know, Haven't you seen where people are actually doing stuff about the Sexual and Gender problems? Persay, the problem about TG'ed people for example, more and more people everyday are getting that right complimented and less and less people are actually giving a flying fuck about what a persons body type is, and or their gender. So as far as i see it, people actually have rights, they just need to be independent and stand their ground when they know something is right and someone on the other end of the stick is wrong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alaura;47327986]"Don't make me laugh" Oh and the fact that people get treated differently is because of how they were treated a long time ago, If it wasnt for MLK, Then they would still be treated like that today, And you know, Haven't you seen where people are actually doing stuff about the Sexual and Gender problems? Persay, the problem about TG'ed people for example, more and more people everyday are getting that right complimented and less and less people are actually giving a flying fuck about what a persons body type is, and or their gender. So as far as i see it, people actually rights, they just need to be independent and stand their ground when they know something is right and someone on the other end of the stick is wrong.[/QUOTE] I never denied anything about MLK, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Ok, what rock do you live under? Are you not aware of the bills that are being passed/have been passed in Florida, Texas, and others that would ban transgender people from using their preferred bathroom? In Florida, it makes it illegal for a business to allow a transgender to use their preferred bathroom, even if the business is fine with it. Did you know that Oklahoma is trying to pass a measure that would ban regulation on conversion therapy? Did you know that Oklahoma is trying to allow the clergy to get involved with marriage licenses in an attempt to prevent gay marriage? Did you know that it's legal in many states and cities to fire/deny serve to someone based on sexual orientation or gender identity? As it stands, most insurance companies won't pay for anything transgender related and some will even try to claim that illnesses/injuries are a result of being transgender so that they can refuse to pay for things. My own insurance refuses to, and I quote, "Cover anything leading up to or related to a transexual surgery". It's very hard to be independent when you're someone that people have no qualms with attacking, beating, or even killing. You have to balance safety with fighting for rights. So, please. Don't lecture me on my "rights" when I have so few compared to you.