'California Will Launch Its Own Damn Satellites,' Governor Brown Tells Trump
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[QUOTE=_Axel;51542507]What the fuck is up with Americans being OK with forcefully taking back a state if they ever wanted to declare independence? How can you be fine with other nations splintering into independent states and hail it as an expression of those people's freedom yet feel righteous about forcefully denying your own state's right to self-determination through [I]fucking armed conflict?[/I]
This is fucking stupid, you don't need to develop a different culture or ethnicity to have a right to self-determination, political divide is enough, and I'm pretty sure the will to secede itself would be enough of a divide to justify it.
Unless you want to apply the same logic to China and say Taiwan doesn't have a right to self-determination?
You're just trying to find bullshit arguments to justify wanting to go to war with any seceding state and impose your own view on them.[/QUOTE]
because Britain is not a state of the EU. The EU is not a country. America is, California isn't. everybody needs to stop drawing parallels to Brexit, they're completely different things. and these situations are hardly analogous.
also on the topic of states rights...they're given by the federal government. if a state secedes, they lose those "rights" as given to them by the constitution. no point in applying them here. no state = no states' rights
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also on the topic of states rights...they're given by the federal government. if a state secedes, they lose those "rights" as given to them by the constitution. no point in applying them here. no state = no states' rights[/QUOTE]
To be fair, state's rights have been severely eroded since the constitution was first written.
At the very least, seeing this kind of support for fighting climate change even in the wake of Trump's stupidity is quite uplifting, it reminds you there are still sane people in the world, and they are actually in positions where they can do something.
[QUOTE=Portugalotaku;51544990]At the very least, seeing this kind of support for fighting climate change even in the wake of Trump's stupidity is quite uplifting, it reminds you there are still sane people in the world, and they are actually in positions where they can do something.[/QUOTE]
Beyond that, it shows that the US isn't a hivemind linked to its president
only thing California leaving would do is give some millennials a few minutes of patting themselves on the back before the Army is mobilized to enforce martial law.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51544133]Well for one, Taiwan is already self determining so that's a rather moot point.
But if it were part of PRoC, then I would still say no, they wouldn't because they are culturally identical to the people on the mainland.
Also, lol "wanting to go to war"[/QUOTE]
tbh by this logic we shouldn't have declared independence from Great Britain and just remain colonies because we were culturally identical at the time and thus our great country would never be born.
chicken or the egg, basically.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51544133]Well for one, Taiwan is already self determining so that's a rather moot point.
But if it were part of PRoC, then I would still say no, they wouldn't because they are culturally identical to the people on the mainland.[/QUOTE]
And why exactly should culture or ethnicity make or break a country's independence? It is largely irrelevant to how a nation should function when compared to the [I]political[/I] affiliations of the seceding zone. Why should a region's race or traditional fucking dishes even matter [I]when the fact that they want to secede shows that they aren't being satisfyingly represented by the federation in the first place?[/I]
Besides, no two regions are culturally alike, how do you define the threshold over which it suddenly justifies a want for independence? It's just completely subjective and not in the slightest relevant to whether independence should be considered. That you even suggested that the PRoC and Taiwan, which are completely different ideologically, should have remained as one because "their art is too similar" and "they eat the same food" is frankly hilarious.
[Quote]Also, lol "wanting to go to war"[/quote]
Well, I specifically said "being OK with armed conflict" but in your case:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51541407]If we have to mobilize the military to prevent a state from seceding, I will eagerly enlist.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck does this mean if not that?
[QUOTE=stupid10er;51544886]because Britain is not a state of the EU. The EU is not a country. America is, California isn't. everybody needs to stop drawing parallels to Brexit, they're completely different things. and these situations are hardly analogous. [/QUOTE]
Uuuh... Excuse me but, what the fuck? Did you even read my post or did you simply pull a premade strawman out of your ass?
Where the fuck did I mention Britain or the EU?
"Everybody needs to stop drawing parallels to Brexit" when you're the one bringing it up out of nowhere, what am I even reading?
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