Michael Bloomberg: Liberals turning universities into intolerant citidels of modern McCarthyism
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[quote]In a fiery address to Harvard graduates, former Mayor Michael Bloomberg lashed out Thursday against intolerance by liberals on college campuses — citing how Brown University treated his police commissioner last fall.
Delivering the main speech at Harvard’s 363rd commencement in Cambridge, Mass., Bloomberg complained that campuses have become citidels of “modern . . . McCarthyism” where conservative views are too often shunned and shouted down.[/quote]
[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bloomberg-slams-intolerant-behavior-liberals-colleges-fiery-harvard-speech-article-1.1810781#ixzz33DgRyMQn]Source: New York Daily News[/url]
College [I][B]should[/B][/I] be a place where you can express your views without prejudice.
[QUOTE=>VLN<;44952180]College [I][B]should[/B][/I] be a place where you can express your views without prejudice.[/QUOTE]
What? Why should no one be able to make judgments about your opinions at college?
Which is not even to mention it's not like the police commissioner is a student in a classroom.
[QUOTE=>VLN<;44952180]College [I][B]should[/B][/I] be a place where you can express your views without prejudice.[/QUOTE]
How will that prepare people for the real world? College should be a place where you can express yourself, but people should be able to express their own opinions on why your view are right/wrong.
Sorry life isn't a hugbox.
I love it personally
Its like the one place in real life where you can make a conservative feel stupid about some of uneducated ideas they have.
meanwhile in the comments:
[quote]It's called liberal fascism embodied by the violence of Occupy Wall Street, Code Stink, most college campuses and a dominant liberal media that shuts out opposing views. The extreme left, unlike most conservatives and libertarians, refuses to abandon TV to read opposing views, has no understanding of global events or the world economy, and shouts about TV shows that they think we watch. [/quote]
LIBRULS *shakes fist gif*
[QUOTE=SaxonV2;44952225]I love it personally
Its like the one place in real life where you can make a conservative feel stupid about some of uneducated ideas they have.[/QUOTE]
I don't think "uneducated idea's" pertains to just one party, there are people and ideas in every party that are just off the wall stupid ideas
the american [I]~extreme left~[/I] lmao
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44952300]the american [I]~extreme left~[/I] lmao[/QUOTE]
The fact that Obama is too far left for a significant portion of our population should tell you something about our political spectrum.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44952308]The fact that Obama is too far left for a significant portion of our population should tell you something about our political spectrum.[/QUOTE]
[quote]“When 96% of Ivy League donors prefer one candidate to another, you have to wonder whether students are being exposed to the diversity of views that a great university should offer,” said Bloomberg, who noted that he, too, endorsed Obama.
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It tells you that Ivy League schools engage is rampart left-wing McCarthyism, because 96% of the people coming from some of the top schools in the world are obviously too stupid to know better.
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How can the laymen figure it out, but the educated can't?
I'll give you a hint (libruls)
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44952294]I don't think "uneducated idea's" pertains to just one party, there are people and ideas in every party that are just off the wall stupid ideas[/QUOTE]
They both do but none more than the republicans, believe me I live in the same district that elected Michele Bachmann so we get some real crazies, no one loves to use straw man arguments more then they do
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44952323]It tells you that Ivy League schools engage is rampart left-wing McCarthyism, because 96% of the people coming from some of the top schools in the world are obviously too stupid to know better.
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How can the laymen figure it out, but the educated can't?
I'll give you a hint (libruls)[/QUOTE]
but they're younguns so they couldn't possibly understand the world as well as or better than these older folks
[QUOTE=SaxonV2;44952336]They both do but none more than the republicans, believe me I live in the same district that elected Michele Bachmann so we get some real crazies, no one loves to use straw man arguments more then they do[/QUOTE]
I think it's the pot calling the kettle black in most cases, sure Michele Bachmann has some twisted views but so did a lot of the early democratic nominees in the 08 election.
To be fair, modern Universities -do- seem to be pretty ragingly leftist these days. It's very difficult to actually have one's own point of view on a matter when you get branded a sexist/racist/ableist/fascist/literallyHitler for dissenting from the accepted point of view. It's one thing to see radical SJWs online and laugh them off because it's Tumblr. It's a whole other thing when these people are EVERYWHERE.
At least where my University (U of T) is concerned, there are a fuckton of junior-grade Marxists who've just read Foucault and feel that they understand the world better than everyone else. They accept a lot of these statements on how the world "is" by using fancy faux-academic vocabulary and thought policing just about fucking everything.
Here it's not even really RadFems and the 105th Socks and Sandals Brigade (MRAs), but the almost toxic levels of radical leftism of virtually every stripe. Sure, our Economics and Law students can be pretty annoying radically right-leaning libertarians, but they have nowhere near the level of influence or voice on campus.
The thing that really throws me about all of this is that it ends up propping up the false idea that all social criticism has to be this Hegelian/Marxist/Foucaultian critical theory that is still hotly contested with the more data-based, level-headed criticism based in more analytic-leaning philosophy. As it stands it's not hugely even-handed.
All in all I find this kind of thing disturbing mainly because of the mob mentality it has given rise to. You can't really respond to much of this stuff because it's so consistently emotionally charged, on both ends. That said, it's not like they're really going to get any reasonably dispassionate argument from any exceptionally conservative students or faculty; it's essentially two sides of the same coin where extremism is concerned. The only real practical difference being that there are far, far more radical leftists here.
Also, with all of this said I am going to a Canadian university, so the makeup of students' political leanings is probably a good stretch different than most american schools; and certainly the culture of left vs right is a good bit different here.
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I still stand by what I said for the most part, but the dump-truck of boxes leads me to believe it might be worth re-examining how I see this issue.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44952241][QUOTE]The extreme left, unlike most conservatives and libertarians, refuses to abandon TV to read opposing views, has no understanding of global events or the world economy, and shouts about TV shows that they think we watch.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Sounds a lot like conservatives to me.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44952365] sure Michele Bachmann has some twisted views but so did a lot of the early democratic nominees in the 08 election.[/QUOTE]
Such as?
Also, Bachmann was one of the last candidates (6th I believe), not some crazy early Republican nominee who dropped out before the primaries.
Eh in any case every time I've had an argument or some one else its always been pretty respectful at the end of the day. Only time I seen it go beyond that is when you get the occasional gay hater.
[QUOTE=SaxonV2;44952336]They both do but none more than the republicans, believe me I live in the same district that elected Michele Bachmann so we get some real crazies, no one loves to use straw man arguments more then they do[/QUOTE]
As a fellow person living in Bachmann's district, I can confirm this.
A lot of what you hear are over simplifications or simply factually incorrect statements, but ones they believe in so adamantly that no amount of facts or sources disproving it can challenge it to them. They most likely took such ideas from some of the loonier right-wing pundits (Ala Limbaugh or Beck), or people who inherited it from their parents, who too likely got it from a pundit or their parents.
I think the real problem is that amongst the American right, there's a serious belief that news outlets across the country and globe are secretly cooperating in some attempt to push opposing beliefs and positions on people, while simultaneously covering up evidence contrary to it. When you seriously begin believing that all opposing opinions are part of some conspiracy to push some agenda, it becomes pretty easy to just tell anyone arguing against you, no matter how educated they may be on the subject or their sources verifying it, that it's all lies or simply 'Liberal' propaganda, and at that point, there's really no way to convince someone otherwise once they've gotten to believing that all opposing evidence is simply fabricated.
Plus, if you get large congregations of belief like that, such as here in Bachmann land, it pretty quickly turns into a circlejerk of people reaffirming their opinions on it with others and only ingrains it harder in people.
We also have some of the highest rates of incest in a county here in the country, so that probably has something to do with it.
I'm confused. He complains about how universities should be areas of free speech but then says liberal students aren't allowed to complain about conservative ideology?
If the administration of a college is cracking down on conservative students for being conservative I think that's definitely a problem but I don't really think that is happening.
If conservatives want the student body to accept their views, maybe they should they should look at why conservatism doesn't do well on college campuses.
You can't force diversity on people or else you aren't being diverse. I think he has good intentions for us to think "what's happening here", but at the same time that's really all you can do is think what is happening.
In all honesty, liberalism is most popular with the 18-25 year crowd; it's rebellious, new, more open to alternative ideas, and generally works best in a small independent group. After that, when people leave the college experience, and into a full time job, people tend to quickly fall into the republican/democrat.
It's just part of growing up.
I'd honestly like to see what would happen if there were a democratic states of America and republic of America, and see wish one would outlast the other.
I don't understand. Bloomburg is incredibly liberal, but he's against colleges being liberal? Since when does that happen in America?
Bloomberg, what are you doing..?
You are not a conservative by a long shot, and are constantly starting shit with your own party by acting like a goddamn soccer mom in NYC.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;44952418]
It's very difficult to actually have one's own point of view on a matter when you get branded a sexist/racist/ableist/fascist/literallyHitler for dissenting from the accepted point of view. It's one thing to see radical SJWs online and laugh them off because it's Tumblr. It's a whole other thing when these people are EVERYWHERE. [/QUOTE]
If you want the freedom to say whatever you want on campus then guess what - "SJW"s get that freedom too. Deal with it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44953179]If you want the freedom to say whatever you want on campus then guess what - "SJW"s get that freedom too. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
they can say whatever they want but that doesn't mean i dont get to laugh at them. same with westboro baptist chruch, but for the exact opposite reason.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44953190]they can say whatever they want but that doesn't mean i dont get to laugh at them. same with westboro baptist chruch, but for the exact opposite reason.[/QUOTE]
You can laugh, they can call you Hitler Jr, everyone can dance together on the grave of rational discourse.
I guess reality has a liberal bias, Bloomberg.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44953220]You can laugh, they can call you Hitler Jr, everyone can dance together on the grave of rational discourse.[/QUOTE]
Certainly more civilized than what others have suggested, which is banning "hate" speech altogether. Some people would have them not speak at all.
I just realized how much I did that in college this semester. I was in two critical thinking classes, with I being the only socialist in them. I couldn't count how many times I had to address tax policy on the rich and Reaganomics. Not only that, bit also addressing the other belief systems like "welfare shouldn't exist.. Why am I paying my taxes to get others to go to school" all sorts of stuff like that, keep in mind I live in the most conservative part of California, and I was the only socialist or even left winger in the class.
Also they called Obama a socialist, and when I asked the teacher if I could, I went up to the board to ask them what the distance was between Romney and Obamas political ideology, they all put him far left towards Stalin, and when I put the "true" difference on the board, most of them were pretty shocked. Until that day, most of them never knew there wasn't a leftist party in America, only moderate and right.
They're just whining that they're being proven wrong, and are labeling it censorship because they're sore losers.
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Similar thing happened in psychology class. A kid was talking about how his parents brought themselves up in society without any government help, and another time how he said that being gay was a choice. Teacher shut him right down by stating counter-points and providing evidence otherwise.
Another thing this all reminds me of is when a conservative Wikipedia was made, and someone said "there should be a liberal Wikipedia, too," when someone else said "there already is: wikipedia.org."
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