• States gone Wild: America issues global terror alert, effective until 2016
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[quote]The US has issued a worldwide travel alert for its citizens in response to "increased terrorist threats". The state department said "current information" suggested the Islamic State [IS] group, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram and others continued "to plan terrorist attacks in multiple regions".[/quote] [quote][b]The alert, it said, will remain in place until 24 February 2016.[/b][/quote] [quote]A US state department representative told BBC News there was "currently... no reason to believe that US citizens would be specifically targeted". [/quote] [quote]The travel alert advises US citizens to "exercise vigilance when in public places or using transportation". They are also advised to "be aware of immediate surroundings and avoid large crowds or crowded places".[/quote] [quote]The most recent worldwide alert came last Christmas in response to an attack in Sydney, Australia, flagging the risk of "lone wolf" attacks, a warning repeated this time using the less colourful phrase "unaffiliated persons". [B]Such broad warnings have been criticised in the past, both for being so vague as to be of little practical use and for doing the terrorists' job for them by creating a climate of fear in which governments may introduce repressive policies.[/B][/quote] [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34907009]**SOURCE**[/url] Frankly I'm fed up with this shit. First France extends a state of emergency into next year for no real reason besides "it might happen again", now the states is back to running around screaming with a megaphone [I]"It's gonna happen! It's gonna happen! WE can't say specifically what might happen but it's gonna happen and you need to be cautious because we said so!!"[/I] Fuck off America. You're like the neighbor that everyone moved away from because you were obnoxious as shit but couldn't get city bylaw to act on because you were so sleazy.
That last line is key. I often feel like the biggest terrorists are the people who run news stories that are written to make us feel threatened somehow, not the terrorists themselves. It's such a buzzword either way.
who's the real terrorist here? Isis, or the countries that are using this fear to have more control over their people? Yes, there is a massive threat that we need to deal with, but this is either what Isis wants, or what our governments want. I don't know what to think anymore.
[QUOTE=pentium;49175993][url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34907009]**SOURCE**[/url] Frankly I'm fed up with this shit. First France extends a state of emergency into next year for no real reason besides "it might happen again", now the states is back to running around screaming with a megaphone [I]"It's gonna happen! It's gonna happen! WE can't say specifically what might happen but it's gonna happen and you need to be cautious because we said so!!"[/I] Fuck off America. You're like the neighbor that everyone moved away from because you were obnoxious as shit but couldn't get city bylaw to act on because you were so sleazy.[/QUOTE] I mean really why would a country that has had numerous terrorist attacks within the past year heighten it's security. We should all follow your previously posted advice and "ignore the terrorists"
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49176086]who's the real terrorist here? Isis, or the countries that are using this fear to have more control over their people? Yes, there is a massive threat that we need to deal with, but this is either what Isis wants, or what our governments want. I don't know what to think anymore.[/QUOTE] I personally feel like it's a group of people playing off of everyone's fear that a small group of militants are somehow going to single-handedly take down the world. Like, no they're not. We can stand to lose 150+ people and stay austere. Hell, we could lose a lot more than that and not care. It's fear of potential attack that drives people to want to destroy them, and it's fear of ruining the lives of civillians in the region that holds us back. But once on fear outweighs the other (say, after they attack us and blow up enough stuff that we feel like it's having an impact on our country's moral (9/11 vs the WTC Bombing)), then we go and shoot 'em up real nice for a while to teach them a lesson they won't learn, rinse, repeat. If we want a good military campaign, we should take a page from Sri Lanka. They are one of the only military forces in modern history to completely eradicate a hostile guerrilla force in their own country. And it took decades, bus bombings, market bombings, etc, etc, before it finally came to a close. Sorry for this ramble-tangent. It's late and I'm tired. Take all of this with a grain of salt and personal research.
[QUOTE=pentium;49175993][url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34907009]**SOURCE**[/url] Frankly I'm fed up with this shit. First France extends a state of emergency into next year for no real reason besides "it might happen again", now the states is back to running around screaming with a megaphone [I]"It's gonna happen! It's gonna happen! WE can't say specifically what might happen but it's gonna happen and you need to be cautious because we said so!!"[/I] Fuck off America. You're like the neighbor that everyone moved away from because you were obnoxious as shit but couldn't get city bylaw to act on because you were so sleazy.[/QUOTE] Why are you so passionate about this if you're not even an American? These are all good travel tips anyways, I use them regularly. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] Better escape to the Digiworld, I'm done with this planet.
[QUOTE=Thlis;49176164]I mean really why would a country that has had numerous terrorist attacks within the past year heighten it's security. We should all follow your previously posted advice and "ignore the terrorists"[/QUOTE] At the end of the day your life isn't going to be worth much if you're spending it meticulously taking every precaution you can against the possibility of becoming a victim of a terrorist attack when there are so many other things out there that can kill you anyway.
Given how much shit's been going down lately, and the fact that ISIS claimed responsibility for the recent Russian jetliner crash, this is sensible IMO.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49176240]At the end of the day your life isn't going to be worth much if you're spending it meticulously taking every precaution you can against the possibility of becoming a victim of a terrorist attack when there are so many other things out there that can kill you anyway.[/QUOTE] It doesn't take much effort to be aware of your surroundings and avoiding mass crowds or controversial tourist spots like the article suggests.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49176240]At the end of the day your life isn't going to be worth much if you're spending it meticulously taking every precaution you can against the possibility of becoming a victim of a terrorist attack when there are so many other things out there that can kill you anyway.[/QUOTE] It's a travel alert for fucks sakes. It's not the end of all your freedoms and reason to live. What are we supposed to get rid of tornado warnings as well because that's too taxing a precaution?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49176192]Why are you so passionate about this if you're not even an American? These are all good travel tips anyways, I use them regularly. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] Better escape to the Digiworld, I'm done with this planet.[/QUOTE] Perhaps I'm still remembering the Harper era but generally the theme was that if the states said there was an imminent issue we as a western nation had to believe so as well and gag on Sam's cock, or else we got reamed out for not being batshit crazy. Also, that last comment was totally uncalled for.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49176192]Why are you so passionate about this if you're not even an American? These are all good travel tips anyways, I use them regularly. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] Better escape to the Digiworld, I'm done with this planet.[/QUOTE] Rekt. Seriously why does he sound so angry? "fuck you america for issuing a warning". [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;49176264]It's a travel alert for fucks sakes. It's not the end of all your freedoms and reason to live. What are we supposed to get rid of tornado warnings as well because that's too taxing a precaution?[/QUOTE] Get rid of firefighters and police while we're at it.
Oh hey, this bullshit again. I wonder what these decades patriot act will be
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49176086]who's the real terrorist here? Isis, or the countries that are using this fear to have more control over their people? Yes, there is a massive threat that we need to deal with, but this is either what Isis wants, or what our governments want. I don't know what to think anymore.[/QUOTE]The group that killed about 150 people in the middle of Paris with bombs and individual execution, and has been launching attacks world wide for a couple of years now.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49176539]The group that killed about 150 people in the middle of Paris with bombs and individual execution, and has been launching attacks world wide for a couple of years now.[/QUOTE] That's nothing compared to how many innocents we killed in syria. Like i said we have a problem, a problem that we, as civilians did not start, but rather the powers that be. We have killed hundreds, if not thousands of innocent people over this past decade, and what are we regarded as?
relevant [video=youtube;OxuYt7iBijQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxuYt7iBijQ[/video]
[QUOTE=xamllew;49176244]Given how much shit's been going down lately, and the fact that ISIS claimed responsibility for the recent Russian jetliner crash, this is sensible IMO.[/QUOTE] Besides it's only for two months. America won't shut down because we're on a heightened lookout for two months.
Sometimes, I forgot that this isn't a film. Its just escalation after escalation but what's the end game? and how far away is it? [video]https://youtu.be/Iu_30-8ZlmQ[/video]
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49176706]That's nothing compared to how many innocents we killed in syria. Like i said we have a problem, a problem that we, as civilians did not start, but rather the powers that be. We have killed hundreds, if not thousands of innocent people over this past decade, and what are we regarded as?[/QUOTE] My point exactly. You cannot continue to criticize them for their attacks and casualties when repeatedly we have swept numerous casualties from air strikes bad Intel and gross negligence under the rug as the collateral damage of war and pure accident.
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49176706]That's nothing compared to how many innocents we killed in syria. Like i said we have a problem, a problem that we, as civilians did not start, but rather the powers that be. We have killed hundreds, if not thousands of innocent people over this past decade, and what are we regarded as?[/QUOTE]Yeah, the civilians were neither the focus nor intentional, and as much can be contributed to the groups we've been fighting. We didn't set out just to execute random civilians in the middle of peaceful environment, they were unintentional collateral casualties fighting groups that have sought to and do kill random innocents in the middle of a peaceful environment. Lets make this clear: That bullshit of "The U.S. is really the bad guys!" doesn't work. Don't pull that stupid fucking shit with me. It will never work so give it the hell up. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MIPS;49176925]My point exactly. You cannot continue to criticize them for their attacks and casualties when repeatedly we have swept numerous casualties from air strikes bad Intel and gross negligence under the rug as the collateral damage of war and pure accident.[/QUOTE]Well yeah, that shit happens, surprise sur-fucking-prise. We don't target them for the sake of killing random civilians. Get a damn clue and stop trying to ride a dead moral high horse.
[QUOTE=pentium;49175993][url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34907009]**SOURCE**[/url] Frankly I'm fed up with this shit. First France extends a state of emergency into next year for no real reason besides "it might happen again", now the states is back to running around screaming with a megaphone [I]"It's gonna happen! It's gonna happen! WE can't say specifically what might happen but it's gonna happen and you need to be cautious because we said so!!"[/I] Fuck off America. You're like the neighbor that everyone moved away from because you were obnoxious as shit but couldn't get city bylaw to act on because you were so sleazy.[/QUOTE] Haha holy shit calm down. Why the hell are you so upset? All it is a caution that terrorist activety is up and that there could be more impending attacks. And are you kidding about France? They just suffered the worst attack on its civilian population since WW2 and you don't know why they are being cautious? [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MIPS;49176925]My point exactly. You cannot continue to criticize them for their attacks and casualties when repeatedly we have swept numerous casualties from air strikes bad Intel and gross negligence under the rug as the collateral damage of war and pure accident.[/QUOTE] We can't criticize the murder of over a hundred people at a concert because of the collateral damage caused during a war that had nothing to do with them? [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Passing;49176849]Sometimes, I forgot that this isn't a film. Its just escalation after escalation but what's the end game? and how far away is it? [video]https://youtu.be/Iu_30-8ZlmQ[/video][/QUOTE] Good lord guys grow up. Its a fucking travel advisory. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ZakkShock;49176533]Oh hey, this bullshit again. I wonder what these decades patriot act will be[/QUOTE] A travel advisory ? I guess martial law is coming soon.
[QUOTE=pentium;49175993][url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34907009]**SOURCE**[/url] Frankly I'm fed up with this shit. First France extends a state of emergency into next year for no real reason besides "it might happen again", now the states is back to running around screaming with a megaphone [I]"It's gonna happen! It's gonna happen! WE can't say specifically what might happen but it's gonna happen and you need to be cautious because we said so!!"[/I] Fuck off America. You're like the neighbor that everyone moved away from because you were obnoxious as shit but couldn't get city bylaw to act on because you were so sleazy.[/QUOTE] I hope you're not serious about France. I really hope you're not, because this is the first terrorist attack they've seen in years and the deadliest one at that. I would be extremely cautious too after that.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49176240]At the end of the day your life isn't going to be worth much if you're spending it meticulously taking every precaution you can against the possibility of becoming a victim of a terrorist attack when there are so many other things out there that can kill you anyway.[/QUOTE] "You're not allowed to be scared or take precautions based on what haopened. Your life has no meaning if you do" This is a travel alert. When travelling becomes more dangerous because your plane is more likely to be hijacked or blown up, a travel alert gives guidance, because it's good to be cautious about things that have a higher chance of causing you harm than normal, like reading your posts
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49176086]who's the real terrorist here? Isis, or the countries that are using this fear to have more control over their people? Yes, there is a massive threat that we need to deal with, but this is either what Isis wants, or what our governments want. I don't know what to think anymore.[/QUOTE] That you'd insinuate that the US is a terrorist org. And more so than ISIS is fucking insane. It's a travel advisory, so maybe stop acting like ISIS isn't as bad as "big ol uncle Sam and his guns"
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49177061]Yeah, the civilians were neither the focus nor intentional, and as much can be contributed to the groups we've been fighting. We didn't set out just to execute random civilians in the middle of peaceful environment, they were unintentional collateral casualties fighting groups that have sought to and do kill random innocents in the middle of a peaceful environment. Lets make this clear: That bullshit of "The U.S. is really the bad guys!" doesn't work. Don't pull that stupid fucking shit with me. It will never work so give it the hell up. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] Well yeah, that shit happens, surprise sur-fucking-prise. We don't target them for the sake of killing random civilians. Get a damn clue and stop trying to ride a dead moral high horse.[/QUOTE] In fairness, you don't make a good impression when you try to take out a small handful of targets mixed within a civilian populace with something as in-discriminatory as high-explosives. And shit intel is inexcusable. If you're not dead certain that the guy you're gunning for is the guy you want, don't drop a bomb on him. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Fort83;49177753]The difference is the US didn't specifically target these innocent civilians for the sake of killing people. The US didn't round people up and execute them. Syria is a war zone and innocent casualties is something that happens in a war zone. Paris is not a fucking war zone.[/QUOTE] No, we just drop bombs on folks that we believe at the time to be the guy we're looking for even though we're not 100% sure, which fits perfectly in-line with our "minimal collateral damage" model of warfare.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49177925]In fairness, you don't make a good impression when you try to take out a small handful of targets mixed within a civilian populace with something as in-discriminatory as high-explosives. And shit intel is inexcusable. If you're not dead certain that the guy you're gunning for is the guy you want, don't drop a bomb on him. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] No, we just drop bombs on folks that we believe at the time to be the guy we're looking for even though we're not 100% sure, which fits perfectly in-line with our "minimal collateral damage" model of warfare.[/QUOTE] Except none of that would make it ok to equate the US to a terrorist organization. Both of your points show we don't target people and that we deliberately try to take out the actual targets rather than civilians. Civilians are going to die in a time of war, whether or not we do it. It isn't excusable but if we accidentally kill a few civilians while taking out a huge leader or some major part of the ISIS hierarchy then it would be worth it.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49177925]In fairness, you don't make a good impression when you try to take out a small handful of targets mixed within a civilian populace with something as in-discriminatory as high-explosives. And shit intel is inexcusable. If you're not dead certain that the guy you're gunning for is the guy you want, don't drop a bomb on him. No, we just drop bombs on folks that we believe at the time to be the guy we're looking for even though we're not 100% sure, which fits perfectly in-line with our "minimal collateral damage" model of warfare.[/QUOTE] Leaving aside that precision is not really the litmus test for terrorism versus military actions, the collateral damage rate for targeted bombings and drone strikes is, according to impartial analysts, no higher than 30%. Police actions in these countries typically have higher collateral damage rates than Hellfires. Events like the recent hospital bombing are extremely rare outliers. I'd be happy to go find the studies again if you don't want to take my word for it. Either way, small amounts of collateral damage with targeted strikes is a far cry from indiscriminate killing of civilians as an act of terrorism. Also, the 'one month travel advisory = prelude to martial law' tinfoil in this thread is really just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=pentium;49175993][URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34907009"]**SOURCE**[/URL] Frankly I'm fed up with this shit. First France extends a state of emergency into next year for no real reason besides "it might happen again", now the states is back to running around screaming with a megaphone [I]"It's gonna happen! It's gonna happen! WE can't say specifically what might happen but it's gonna happen and you need to be cautious because we said so!!"[/I] Fuck off America. You're like the neighbor that everyone moved away from because you were obnoxious as shit but couldn't get city bylaw to act on because you were so sleazy.[/QUOTE] You're the one being obnoxious. This is a travel warning, as in, "Hey, these places are more dangerous than usual, be careful." Furthermore, France was just struck by the biggest attack in a long time, with almost 20 terrorist with tons of war weaponry just casually living in the capital, that's a major breach of security, of course they are in a pinch to find and stop any other threats, it's not a fall to terrorism, it's a rise to safety. This isn't even sensationalist news and you, Pentium, are being sensationalist over it, it's incredibly stupid.
I decided this year I would need to save money so I wasn't going to fly across the country for Christmas to see my Mom. She told me yesterday that she is happy I'm not visiting because of the terror threat. [I]Thanks Daesh![/I]
It's kind of stupid paranoia too. On the radio yesterday it was pointed out the odds of being hurt in a terror attack are currently less then being struck by lightning AND getting hit by a car. Congratulations, your paranoia is letting the terrorists win.
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