States gone Wild: America issues global terror alert, effective until 2016
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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49178086]You're the one being obnoxious.
This is a travel warning, as in, "Hey, these places are more dangerous than usual, be careful."
Furthermore, France was just struck by the biggest attack in a long time, with almost 20 terrorist with tons of war weaponry just casually living in the capital, that's a major breach of security, of course they are in a pinch to find and stop any other threats, it's not a fall to terrorism, it's a rise to safety.
This isn't even sensationalist news and you, Pentium, are being sensationalist over it, it's incredibly stupid.[/QUOTE]
I can fully understand that, if it wasn't for the fact the states are almost completely responsible for the destabilization of and continued instability in the middle east in the last 15 years and dragging almost every western nation into the shitstorm with them, weather they wanted to or not and in the process making them targets as well.
Now here they are yet again running around screaming that bad things will happen and again, won't go into fucking details other than to arm yourself, secure all exits and be ready.....just in case.
If something happens, they run around screaming they were prepared. IF nothing happens they run around anyways saying their intelligence prevented something, but we'll never know because that's classified. Plus while they demand we tell them everything we know we can ask the same back and they'll give us a fraction of what we need, even if this is a CSIS-NSA intel exchange.
As a Canadian I'm naturally a bit more pacifist than others (don't forget that stereotype) and do believe there's ways to solve some situations outside of violence but fucking hell, that country, it's politics and the way its economy functions is probably the biggest black spot to exist on the planet.
Travel warning or not, the message rings purely as a push for other countries to step-up and americanize, or be destroyed as a result of their actions. I am completely against it and ignore their hollow warnings.
Welp I'm flying to hawaii in a few weeks, I'll keep an eye out for terrorists there.
[QUOTE=pentium;49178288]I can fully understand that, if it wasn't for the fact the states are almost completely responsible for the destabilization of and continued instability in the middle east in the last 15 years and dragging almost every western nation into the shitstorm with them, weather they wanted to or not and in the process making them targets as well.
Now here they are yet again running around screaming that bad things will happen and again, won't go into fucking details other than to arm yourself, secure all exits and be ready.....just in case.
If something happens, they run around screaming they were prepared. IF nothing happens they run around anyways saying their intelligence prevented something, but we'll never know because that's classified. Plus while they demand we tell them everything we know we can ask the same back and they'll give us a fraction of what we need, even if this is a CSIS-NSA intel exchange.
As a Canadian I'm naturally a bit more pacifist than others (don't forget that stereotype) and do believe there's ways to solve some situations outside of violence but fucking hell, that country, it's politics and the way its economy functions is probably the biggest black spot to exist on the planet.
Travel warning or not, [B]the message rings purely as a push for other countries to step-up and americanize, or be destroyed as a result of their actions.[/B] I am completely against it and ignore their hollow warnings.[/QUOTE]
What? Are you seriously THIS butthurt over a travel warning? What did the US do to you this time, touch you in your no-no spots? Show me where the bad bad country touched you, because you sound like a massive idiot getting this butthurt over a travel warning........
"it's politics and the way its economy functions is probably the biggest black spot to exist on the planet."
Yeah, not like terrorists groups like ISIS or anything are an even worse """""""""""""""""black spot"""""""""""""" on the planet. The fuck is wrong with you?
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[QUOTE=pentium;49178288]I can fully understand that, if it wasn't for the fact the states are almost completely responsible for the destabilization of and continued instability in the middle east in the last 15 years and dragging almost every western nation into the shitstorm with them, weather they wanted to or not and in the process making them targets as well.
Now here they are yet again running around screaming that bad things will happen and again, won't go into fucking details other than to arm yourself, secure all exits and be ready.....just in case.
If something happens, they run around screaming they were prepared. IF nothing happens they run around anyways saying their intelligence prevented something, but we'll never know because that's classified. Plus while they demand we tell them everything we know we can ask the same back and they'll give us a fraction of what we need, even if this is a CSIS-NSA intel exchange.
As a Canadian I'm naturally a bit more pacifist than others (don't forget that stereotype) and do believe there's ways to solve some situations outside of violence but fucking hell, that country, it's politics and the way its economy functions is probably the biggest black spot to exist on the planet.
Travel warning or not, the message rings purely as a push for other countries to step-up and americanize, or be destroyed as a result of their actions. I am completely against it and ignore their hollow warnings.[/QUOTE]
..So what exactly are you trying to say? You make 0 sense saying It's a "push" for other countries to adopt heightened security measures and issue travel warnings(they probably already did a day after the attacks).
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49176086]who's the real terrorist here? Isis, or the countries that are using this fear to have more control over their people? Yes, there is a massive threat that we need to deal with, but this is either what Isis wants, or what our governments want. I don't know what to think anymore.[/QUOTE]
I can still hop on a plane and go to any country I want, or train from any country I want, what control
With the recent attacks, and Anonymous releasing info about the attacks (which IIR that didn't happen.)
Look at Black friday coming up, lots of people in lots of places, if it can happen in Paris, it would most certainly happen here. Just be causious.
Umm.. the US issues travel alerts all the time just to increase awareness, this is nothing new lol there's just been a lot going on so its sane to tell people to be more careful when traveling.
Good job spinning this!
[QUOTE=catbarf;49178052]Leaving aside that precision is not really the litmus test for terrorism versus military actions, the collateral damage rate for targeted bombings and drone strikes is, according to impartial analysts, no higher than 30%. Police actions in these countries typically have higher collateral damage rates than Hellfires. Events like the recent hospital bombing are extremely rare outliers.
I'd be happy to go find the studies again if you don't want to take my word for it. Either way, small amounts of collateral damage with targeted strikes is a far cry from indiscriminate killing of civilians as an act of terrorism.
Also, the 'one month travel advisory = prelude to martial law' tinfoil in this thread is really just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
You consider a 30% collateral damage rate acceptable, which I suppose for dropping high-explosives from a long way away is pretty good.
But ask the innocent people on the receiving end if it's enough.
[QUOTE=ghghop;49178015]Except none of that would make it ok to equate the US to a terrorist organization. Both of your points show we don't target people and that we deliberately try to take out the actual targets rather than civilians.
Civilians are going to die in a time of war, whether or not we do it. It isn't excusable but if we accidentally kill a few civilians while taking out a huge leader or some major part of the ISIS hierarchy then it would be worth it.[/QUOTE]
The more I read this, the more it sounds like "Yeah but dropping bombs is piss-easy, and hey, if we kill a few innocents in the process, that's just what happens".
I wonder how well those tactics would work against the drug cartels we currently have on our own soil.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49179438]You consider a 30% collateral damage rate acceptable, which I suppose for dropping high-explosives from a long way away is pretty good.
But ask the innocent people on the receiving end if it's enough.
The more I read this, the more it sounds like "Yeah but dropping bombs is piss-easy, and hey, if we kill a few innocents in the process, that's just what happens".
I wonder how well those tactics would work against the drug cartels we currently have on our own soil.[/QUOTE]
Look, I get that civilians dying is bad. Anyone who doesn't is blind, but you're asking for a 100% or nothing solution which simply isn't possible and blaming an entire country for not achieving perfection.
Give me a legitimate alternative that results in less casualties because deplomacy sure as fuck isn't gonna work
You would have to be quite an active airplane traveler to have a "significant" chance of dying when flying, let alone to a terrorist attack.
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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49178086]You're the one being obnoxious.
This is a travel warning, as in, "Hey, these places are more dangerous than usual, be careful."[/QUOTE]
It's a [I]worldwide[/I] travel warning. If that doesn't make you chuckle at least a little bit, then I don't know what would.
People lose their shit about terrorist attacks because 1-5000s peoples deaths and happily throw away their liberty but yet nobody cares about the millions of annual deaths caused by prescription drugs, guns and coal emissions.
[QUOTE]by creating a climate of fear in which governments may introduce repressive policies.[/QUOTE]
The Patriot Act and other harmful feel good regulation hasn't saved any lives.
[QUOTE=pentium;49175993]
Frankly I'm fed up with this shit. First France extends a state of emergency into next year for no real reason besides "it might happen again", now the states is back to running around screaming with a megaphone [I]"It's gonna happen! It's gonna happen! WE can't say specifically what might happen but it's gonna happen and you need to be cautious because we said so!!"[/I]
Fuck off America. You're like the neighbor that everyone moved away from because you were obnoxious as shit but couldn't get city bylaw to act on because you were so sleazy.[/QUOTE]
it's a fucking travel advisory you psychopath
iirc you'd need to travel by plane from New York City to Hong Kong EVERY DAY for the next 1000+ years to statistically end up crashing.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49176240]At the end of the day your life isn't going to be worth much if you're spending it meticulously taking every precaution you can against the possibility of becoming a victim of a terrorist attack when there are so many other things out there that can kill you anyway.[/QUOTE]Why are you assuming that we're only capable of being concerned with any one thing?
It's called fucking situational awareness, it will solve 99% of your problems because most of the bad things that happen in this world are from people being stupid and unaware of what's going on. This includes terrorist attacks, by the way.
[QUOTE=MIPS;49176925]My point exactly. You cannot continue to criticize them for their attacks and casualties when repeatedly we have swept numerous casualties from air strikes bad Intel and gross negligence under the rug as the collateral damage of war and pure accident.[/QUOTE]
Do I need to bring up the "There's no way you can avoid collateral in times of war" posts?
Because you can ask for less collateral, but asking for no collateral is impossible.
Also please don't go "BUT WHAT ABOUT THEM". That's a fucking stupid argument and I'm tired of it.
Yes this global terror alert might be a bit stupid, but what else are we going to fucking do? America can't just sit back and chill while Europe is under the grip of fear, we need to be ready for anything.
And again it's only two months of this, it's not the end of the fucking world.
[QUOTE=ghghop;49179492]Look, I get that civilians dying is bad. Anyone who doesn't is blind, but you're asking for a 100% or nothing solution which simply isn't possible and blaming an entire country for not achieving perfection.
Give me a legitimate alternative that results in less casualties because deplomacy sure as fuck isn't gonna work[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of military engagements that don't involve lobbing high-explosives all over the place. Bullets are a hell of a lot more discriminatory than bombs, you know.
Boots on the ground would be a shit-storm and a half, but then so is accepting a 30% collateral damage rate in a volatile region that already hates us and is tired of living in fear of the sky.
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