I'm interested to know what the actual connection is between mental disorders and one's creativity.
As in what's actually happening in the brain, that is.
[QUOTE=Desuh;38062382][IMG]http://modcatlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/wains-schizophrenia-progression.jpg[/IMG]
"this isn't even my final form"[/QUOTE]
wrong order
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I'm very sure it's linked but it's more of an escape for these people.
They indulge in it and allow all of their mental capacity to work on these artworks or whatever they enjoy doing.
It's their way of forgetting their troubled egos.
Anyho that's my take on it.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;38061729]Well that would explain why I feel nothing but sadness every waking moment of my fucking life. Can't even write anymore, because there's just no point.[/QUOTE]
i'm pretty sure that's depression, and I'd talk to somebody about it, man.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;38062604]it doesn't stop at creativity either
Einstein showed a lot of signs of autism[/QUOTE]
he was also dyslexic.
[QUOTE=ironman17;38062606]They say there's a fine line between genius and madness, though actually it's like there's more of an overlap than you'd think. I'm pretty creative and whatnot, and I was diagnosed with Asperger's at a young age. Managed to get through life alright, though nowadays I dunno how well things are going in general. Probably just a phase.[/QUOTE]
How do you mean by you dunno how things are going? I personally was diagnosed with Aspergers late in my final year at university at the age of 22 and I have no clue where I'm headed. I studied Computing and Digital Media Development but in retrospect I was in a band beforehand and happy and my main interest in computers has always been the use of them as a tool in the creative process which is something that academia didn't cover. I'm pretty lost...
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;38063769]How do you mean by you dunno how things are going? I personally was diagnosed with Aspergers late in my final year at university at the age of 22 and I have no clue where I'm headed. I studied Computing and Digital Media Development but in retrospect I was in a band beforehand and happy and my main interest in computers has always been the use of them as a tool in the creative process which is something that academia didn't cover. I'm pretty lost...[/QUOTE]
To be honest, when I said "I dunno how things are going", I meant to say that I don't think I'm suited for the kind of workload uni expects from me; as in there's so much coursework and so little time in which to do it.
I work easier when there isn't too much pressure, and having 3 modules per semester is a bit too much for me; the kind of workload set at college wasn't too hard, but then again uni's a totally different beast, the kind that eats away at your time. If it were 3 pieces every 2 weeks, or even just 2 modules per semester, I think I could deal with it, but the way it is now, with all these new ropes and rules you have to take onboard, it makes me feel like I bit off far more than I could chew. To be fair, this might sound a bit whiny, but I feel like I want out; unless there's an opportunity for me to transition to a less taxing part-time degree with like 2 modules per semester, I'm probably not gonna make it.
But enough about my troubles and issues; I assume you were like an "editor" for the band, like recording the songs and assembling the albums? Or am I thinking about a different job role? Also, what skills did you acquire from your Computing course?
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38063059]wrong order
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Wain_cats_6.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
"Ness... I... am... h-a-p-p-y..."
[QUOTE=geoface;38062504]not suggesting at all that homosexuality is a mental illness, but is it just a coincidence that some artistic geniuses and scientific geniuses were (also allegedly) homosexual?
I tried my best to word that carefully cause I'm not here to offend.[/QUOTE]
well homosexuals do tend to be very creative
and furries
[editline]16th October 2012[/editline]
don't tell this to nutters though
Imagine THAT as a final boss for any game ever; most likely Meowther though.
Also, I'd like to imagine homosexuality as more of a "quirk" than a "disorder"; even if it isn't strictly-speaking "natural", FUCK NATURE. I think of being gay as a form of "transcendance", breaking out of the chains of restraint nature places on us to ensure we keep on spawning little monkeys; when you're gay you realise that love is more than just something that happens between a man and a woman, it's a universal thing that transcends what equipment you have in your loadout. Besides, with the Earth's population growing ever larger and depleting the resources we have at hand, widespread homosexuality would be a boon to humanity as a whole in the 21st century. For one thing, population growth would probably slow down if there's more muff diving and guy love to balance out the traditional guys and dolls approach to romance, though Japan probably doesn't need to go gay just yet because their population's dropping a fair bit. Another thing would be that with more and more gay individuals, people would probably have to become more accepting of them, and barbaric cultures that persecute them would ideally be steamrolled by the international community.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38063059]wrong order
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Wain_cats_6.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
"The effect of LSD on 6 cats"
I can confirm this.
I allways want to sleep because I'm so tired all the time to stay awake. And the cause of this is that my mind never stop and take a break. On and on and on my brain is thinking and giving my ideas that never stop, it makes me crazy and tired. Sometimes I just want to give my creativity away to someone...
When I'm gonna make a painting or a story I get an idea every 5th second.
I never stop making up ideas and expanding them with knowledge turn them into something big.
Some of these ideas are so big and full of madness that it actully ruins my life.
I'm currently diagnosed for these:
Low-functional Autism, Asperger, Tourette, OCD.
Edit: I see People rating Me dumb, how do you know how I got it?
[QUOTE=Jocke;38064645]I can confirm this.
I allways want to sleep because I'm so tired all the time to stay awake. And the cause of this is that my mind never stop and take a break. On and on and on my brain is thinking and giving my ideas that never stop, it makes me crazy and tired. Sometimes I just want to give my creativity away to someone...
When I'm gonna make a painting or a story I get an idea every 5th second.
I never stop making up ideas and expanding them with knowledge turn them into something big.
Some of these ideas are so big and full of madness that it actully ruins my life.
I'm currently diagnosed for these:
Low-functional Autism, Asperger, Tourette, OCD.[/QUOTE]
You have low-functioning autism and Aspergers... at the same time? I'm pretty sure Aspergers is considered high-functioning autism, how can you be on both ends of the spectrum at once?
And this is why I love writers.
[QUOTE=Jocke;38064645]I can confirm this.
I allways want to sleep because I'm so tired all the time to stay awake. And the cause of this is that my mind never stop and take a break. On and on and on my brain is thinking and giving my ideas that never stop, it makes me crazy and tired. Sometimes I just want to give my creativity away to someone...
When I'm gonna make a painting or a story I get an idea every 5th second.
I never stop making up ideas and expanding them with knowledge turn them into something big.
Some of these ideas are so big and full of madness that it actully ruins my life.
I'm currently diagnosed for these:
Low-functional Autism, Asperger, Tourette, OCD.[/QUOTE]
jesus man what kind of autism/tourettes do you have?
Oh man, TELL ME ABOUT IT. I'm usually thinking a lot of the time; some thoughts of mine are quite unsettling, and tend to adhere themselves to certain things I remember like images and music, which I really fucking hate. But the main problem is when I try to get to sleep; most of the time there's ideas in my head that won't go away when I'm trying to fall asleep. Even though some of the stuff is pretty cool, like a WW1 veteran riding a Japanese otaku ninja Velociraptor whilst fighting aliens in the ruins of 1920's Moscow, it keeps my mind active for longer when I just want to get some rest, which means I'm usually not as well-rested as I should be when I wake up.
This is stupid. They shouldn't be calling mental illness a "mental illness" unless the person is actually suffering from the condition where they can't function how they want to. I honestly think half the shit on the DSM chart is bogus.
It just pisses me off how they have to base everything on a bell curve (especially the school system), where the top of the curve is "normal" people, and anything else is considered weird and undesirable. Creativity seems to only be found at both ends of the curve.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;38064941] I honestly think half the shit on the DSM chart is bogus.
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DSM "chart"?
it's a giant book peer-reviewed by psychologists used in psychological treatment. under what authority can you claim it's bogus lmao
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;38064687]You have low-functioning autism and Aspergers... at the same time? I'm pretty sure Aspergers is considered high-functioning autism, how can you be on both ends of the spectrum at once?[/QUOTE]
the only way it could make sense if it's like, working sort of like bi-polar disorder just with autism? I don't know.
otherwise it sounds like shit. Hopefully it's just a tweak with the tourettes, and not full blown verbal.
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;38064687]You have low-functioning autism and Aspergers... at the same time? I'm pretty sure Aspergers is considered high-functioning autism, how can you be on both ends of the spectrum at once?[/QUOTE]
Well that's what my psychologist say to me, so I'm not so sure...
[editline]16th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;38065032]the only way it could make sense if it's like, a combination of bi-polar disorder? I don't know.
otherwise it sounds like shit. Hopefully it's just a tweak with the tourettes, and not full blown verbal.[/QUOTE]
That's probably the reason.
edit: When having Tourette's syndrome and the OCD (probably) combined with the other, it's a whole different thing. Maybe it's some sort of a system the pshycology has?
I'm not so sure what the syndromes does exept Asperger and Tourette, so I guess I'm on the wrong track.
[QUOTE=Jocke;38065118]Well that's what my psychologist say to me, so I'm not so sure...
[editline]16th October 2012[/editline]
That's probably the reason.[/QUOTE]
I think if sometimes you're high function but other times you're just "out there" that'll be a good explanation.
[QUOTE=Jocke;38065118]edit: When having Tourette's syndrome and the OCD (probably) maybe it's some sort of a system the pshycology has?[/QUOTE]
The human brain is complicated as fuck.
if you want left and right explained in good detail I suggest [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU"]this[/URL].
aside from that I'd suggest trying to understand how your brain works as best as you can.
Me? I'm very left brained, in the moment, don't give a damn about the past or the future, and careless. I still am shit at math however. In stories I usually want to focus my story on the world, far more than anything else, and enjoy making the world at least a little violent, due to the fact that it is normal for people to be violent.
also, try [URL="http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism.htm"]this[/URL]. I scored 9. (No autism at all)
[QUOTE=thisispain;38064996]DSM "chart"?
it's a giant book peer-reviewed by psychologists used in psychological treatment.[/QUOTE]
Why does it matter what word I use. It's more than just psychologists using it in treatment. There's really quite a lot of criticism around DSM and their "methods" especially that it's focused on superficial symptoms. I would have to type up quite a bit to explain it properly. I'm not denying mental illness doesn't exist, but a lot of the things they classify as a mental illness are just laughable (such as classifying internet addiction as a disorder)
[QUOTE]under what authority can you claim it's bogus lmao[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you're going with this but if it's an appeal to authority or ad hominem I can honestly say it doesn't change anything
Honestly, I'm not in the mood to argue about it.
[QUOTE=Jookia;38065281][img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Vincent_Willem_van_Gogh_002.jpg/467px-Vincent_Willem_van_Gogh_002.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Van Gogh, right?
[editline]17th October 2012[/editline]
Oh snap, I was actually right.
Well I guess it's right after all. I tend to write a lot of stories in my free time and have to deal with a lot of anxiety and have been with asperger's as well.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;38065435]Van Gogh, right?
[editline]17th October 2012[/editline]
Oh snap, I was actually right.[/QUOTE]
funfact: van gogh drank so much ethanol and absinthe it gave him brain damage.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;38065412]Why does it matter what word I use. It's more than just psychologists using it in treatment. There's really quite a lot of criticism around DSM and their "methods" especially that it's focused on superficial symptoms. I would have to type up quite a bit to explain it properly. I'm not denying mental illness doesn't exist, but a lot of the things they classify as a mental illness are just laughable (such as classifying internet addiction as a disorder)[/QUOTE]
yeah of course it's full of flaws but to declare it bogus because they classify things that you don't agree with as illnesses is truly laughable.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;38065412]I don't know where you're going with this but if it's an appeal to authority or ad hominem I can honestly say it doesn't change anything
Honestly, I'm not in the mood to argue about it.[/QUOTE]
no, i'm asking what expertise or knowledge do you have in order for me to take your claims seriously?
if you don't that's cool, but please acknowledge that
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[img]http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/kubrick.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I just love art!
I guess suffering from OCD, Social anxiety disorder, depression and paranoia has their advantages. Come to think of it, althought I can't draw, I'm quite talented at creative writing.
[QUOTE=thisispain;38064996]DSM "chart"?
it's a giant book peer-reviewed by psychologists used in psychological treatment. under what authority can you claim it's bogus lmao[/QUOTE]
Indeed it is. A lot of the psychologists involved in contributing and editing do happen to have financial vested interests in pharmaceutical companies that produce dubious psychoactive medications though so it is best to view it through a sceptical lense as more diagnostic criteria and conditions often means more medication (often with an unknown mechanism of action aside from that observed/reported by the patient) and more profit.
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