Maine considering legislation that would make wearing seatbelts no longer mandatory for adults - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47232313]Yeah! Why would you EVER give people the freedom to do what they want to do? How dare they?[/QUOTE] Right but you realise there it no upside to this law don't you? You get to drive without a belt in exchange of a massively increased chance of death in the event of a car crash because instead of a seat belt holding you to your seat and maybe giving you whiplash instead of you have get to become very intimate with the road at whatever speed the car happened to be travelling at when you crash, then there's the whole host of hazards awaiting for an almost certainly dead individual in a car crash when they're outside the vehicle mid crash. But yeah man, s'all about the freedom to be catastrophically retarded right? [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sector 7;47232329]The argument is that it isn't the role of the state to make decisions for people.[/QUOTE] Yeah but that argument is fucking retarded, following that chain of logic you could say that the government should allow for slum condition housing because the government shouldn't be able to tell people how to live, then you get a lovely breeding ground for shit like Tuberculosis, Measles, Mumps and a list of other diseases as long as my arm to go through simply by extending that train of thought. It's fucking dumb, we invented all this tech to keep us safe and let us live long happy lives so we might as well fucking use it. Not necessarily having a go at you by the way just this is a pretty retarded argument.

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47232346]Right but you realise there it no upside to this law don't you? You get to drive without a belt in exchange of a massively increased chance of death in the event of a car crash because instead of a seat belt holding you to your seat and maybe giving you whiplash instead of you have get to become very intimate with the road at whatever speed the car happened to be travelling at when you crash, then there's the whole host of hazards awaiting for an almost certainly dead individual in a car crash when they're outside the vehicle mid crash. But yeah man, s'all about the freedom to be catastrophically retarded right?[/QUOTE] I know that it's very dangerous to not wear a seatbelt. That's why I always wear one. But the government shouldn't be making that decision for me.

[QUOTE=Shalaska;47232124]Why is it always the Irish who make horrifically violent road safety ads?[/QUOTE] You should check out the New Zealand commercials..

An enormous amount of people would still wear their seat belts even if there wasn't a law saying they had to, same as there is a very large amount of people who don't wear their seat belt even though there is one. All this does is basically make it so that people who generally do use their belt but forget every now and then, or people caught pulling out of a driveway without having put it on yet and getting a ticket even if they intended to do so afterwards, or people who probably wouldn't have worn it in the first place now won't be charged ludicrous amounts of money for it. ($70 1st offense, $160 second offense, and up to $310 for a 3rd offense in Maine, according to wikipedia) And like I said in my last post, there was no mandate on seat belt usage anywhere in the US until 1984 and Maine itself didn't have any such law until 1995. It's a relatively new thing which is by now considered common sense by almost everybody. I don't think it's all that unreasonable to want the law revoked or changed, even if it's also not particularly needed or advised either. The entire situation is being blown way out of proportion, and it really isn't a big deal in the large scale of things. [editline]banana[/editline] Personally speaking, I could get behind the decision so long as there are included stipulations for factors such as passengers, children, speed, weather conditions, and so forth. Like, if you're driving country roads alone and don't want to wear your belt, sure why not. But if it's raining and you're in the city with a kid or something, you should definitely have to wear a belt then.

[QUOTE=Aide;47231818]And they would allow adults to completely ignore something that meant to save their lives or prevent injury.[/QUOTE] While I'm all for people being able to disregard their own safety all they damn well please, the line comes in when that disregard also makes things hairy for other people. Whether or not you care whether *you* live through a crash, being unbuckled means a very high likelihood of getting ejected from the car. Corpses bouncing down freeways tend to cause more crashes from people swerving/braking to avoid them, which can in turn injure and kill more people. The law should stand, if only so other motorists don't have to dodge your left arse cheek, left leg and one kidney as it bounces over the center divide.

[QUOTE=Megadave;47231848]I don't give a shit, they're only harming themselves. I will continue to wear a seatbelt despite any laws.[/QUOTE] No they're not. They're putting the other passengers at risk in some more extreme cases

I'm the kind of driver that always wears their seatbelt and forces passengers in my car to wear theirs. That being said, I don't think it should be illegal to not wear a seatbelt. Even though it's for people's own safety, I don't think they should be punished for not wearing them. I'm an adult, I don't need the state acting like my mom and dad.

Other than people not being pulled over and given a ticket for not being buckled in, I see nothing of value coming from the bill passing. Is the time spent for a police officer to pull someone over and fill out the ticket really not worth doing in Maine? It's $50 in Maine, $50 which gets fed into the state government for whatever their budget allots. Even from a strictly financial standpoint, there's less spent on having police prevent someone driving without a belt than it is to get emergency response teams on the scene while also locking down transportation on that roadway. Hell, the cops around where I live are so bored that they set up speed traps because it gives them something productive to do with their time (much to the chagrin of whomever they pull over).

[QUOTE=Thlis;47231821]For what possible reason would this seem like a good idea?[/QUOTE] It will bring back the freedom of choice. Isn't that what America is all about ? jk

It's a real life idiot cull

If people want to do stupid shit then I'm not gonna stand in their way.

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Good. The seatbelt laws are the government overstepping their boundaries. If you dress tyranny up as safety, the public eats it up and thinks it is good for them. One day it's your choice for seatbelts, and tomorrow it's your freedom of speech.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47232313]Yeah! Why would you EVER give people the freedom to do what they want to do? How dare they?[/QUOTE] Because not wearing your seat belt causes accidents that you will never recover from and you know what? Your dumb ass will be wasting VALUABLE TIME of doctors taking care of you when you would have otherwise walked out fine. you would have walked out of that car crash fine. But now you're basically a potatoe. You can no longer work to support your children. Your wife divorces you because she cannot support herself and the kids alone. Your life is ruined. And to top it off. You can cause injury to other people simply by flying into them. Your dead body could pretty much whack someone in the skull and cause brain damage. This is a very serious amount of force and momentum we are talking about. Some people are too careless to not have their hand held. Should we also allow people to text and drive?

i don't see how this is an idiot cull when there's quite literally hundreds of other stupid shit people do everyday that puts them at risk. making not wearing a seatbelt legal is like throwing a pebble at a train. if a ticket isn't a deterrent for keeping people from killing themselves then i don't think legality is of a concern. i guess this is just one of those things where the reasoning is "well they're adults and this is america so they should be allowed to do dangerous shit to themselves if they want!" the thing is, though, is that not wearing a seatbelt while there are other passengers makes it really fucking dangerous for them as well.

[QUOTE=Telecaster;47232917]Good. The seatbelt laws are the government overstepping their boundaries. If you dress tyranny up as safety, the public eats it up and thinks it is good for them. One day it's your choice for seatbelts, and tomorrow it's your freedom of speech.[/QUOTE] Wow slippery slope much? That being said, this repeal doesn't really bother me because I think that people who wear seatbelts will continue to wear seatbelts anyway.

[QUOTE=FalseLogic;47232942]Wow slippery slope much? That being said, this repeal doesn't really bother me because I think that people who wear seatbelts will continue to wear seatbelts anyway.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nazi-hitler_2076063b.jpg"]you know who else agee'd on seatbelt laws?[/URL] A vote for seat-belts is a vote for Fascism.

[QUOTE=Telecaster;47232917]Good. The seatbelt laws are the government overstepping their boundaries. If you dress tyranny up as safety, the public eats it up and thinks it is good for them. One day it's your choice for seatbelts, and tomorrow it's your freedom of speech.[/QUOTE] what's this have to do with trannys. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] wait

Who cares if someone doesn't want to wear their seatbelt it's their own dumb decision, why do you people give a fuck? It regards you in no way and is honestly none of your business. The only real complaint you can have with this is the loss of revenue from seatbelt tickets. I mean really the only person they put in danger is themselves, so there is literally no reason to whine and get angry about this. It changes nothing but having to deal with tickets.

[QUOTE=LSK;47233031]Who cares if someone doesn't want to wear their seatbelt it's their own dumb decision, why do you people give a fuck? It regards you in no way and is honestly none of your business. The only real complaint you can have with this is the loss of revenue from seatbelt tickets. I mean really the only person they put in danger is themselves, so there is literally no reason to whine and get angry about this. It changes nothing but having to deal with tickets.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ksl.com/?sid=26954581[/url] except for the fact that humans can literally become projectiles. and also, them going to the hospital is money and/or time being spent on them for their stupidity.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47233064][url]http://www.ksl.com/?sid=26954581[/url] except for the fact that humans can literally become projectiles.[/QUOTE] This doesn't matter. People who don't want to wear seatbelts won't, this law being taken down will hardly have a noticable impact, it's not like everybody that wears them now will suddenly stop just because they don't have to. I'm willing to bet that this law, if removed, will have no noticeable impact on accident fatalities. It will stay the same. And further more I make my passengers wear their seatbelts, it's the drivers responsibility. I don't make them wear them because it's the law, I do it for safety. Like I said it's still their own dumb fault, doesn't involve anyone else outside of the vehicle does it. I'm just saying it literally doesn't matter. It's their choices, and they will make them regardless.

[QUOTE=LSK;47233105]This doesn't matter. People who don't want to wear seatbelts won't, this law being taken down will hardly have a noticable impact, it's not like everybody that wears them now will suddenly stop just because they don't have to. I'm willing to bet that this law, if removed, will have no noticeable impact on accident fatalities. It will stay the same. And further more I make my passengers wear their seatbelts, it's the drivers responsibility. I don't make them wear them because it's the law, I do it for safety. Like I said it's still their own dumb fault, doesn't involve anyone else outside of the vehicle does it. I'm just saying it literally doesn't matter. It's their choices, and they will make them regardless.[/QUOTE] people will talk on the phone and drive regardless of the law. Should we allow it anyways? What about texting and driving? It's their choice. It's not like if we legalize it people will suddenly do it all the time.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47233160]people will talk on the phone and drive regardless of the law. Should we allow it anyways? What about texting and driving? It's their choice. It's not like if we legalize it people will suddenly do it all the time.[/QUOTE] That's actually a danger to other drivers and will never be legalized. You wouldn't compare shoplifting to armed robbery would you.

[QUOTE=LSK;47233164]That's actually a danger to other drivers.[/QUOTE] and not wearing your seat-belt is a danger to passengers. whats your point? it obviously isn't nearly as bad as using the phone but it's still an issue. [QUOTE=LSK;47233164]That's actually a danger to other drivers and will never be legalized. You wouldn't compare shoplifting to armed robbery would you.[/QUOTE] You're missing the entire point.

[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;47232571]All this does is basically make it so that people who generally do use their belt but forget every now and then, or people caught pulling out of a driveway without having put it on yet and getting a ticket even if they intended to do so afterwards[/QUOTE] This type of shit is unacceptable though. You can get hit, very easily, pulling out of a driveway by either a car that hasn't noticed you or you pulling out way too quickly. It's really not that fucking hard to put seatbelts on before you start moving. [QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;47232571]or people who probably wouldn't have worn it in the first place now won't be charged ludicrous amounts of money for it. ($70 1st offense, $160 second offense, and up to $310 for a 3rd offense in Maine, according to wikipedia)[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, but I'd rather be around to pay the 'ludicrous' amount than you know... be dead. [QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;47232571]Like, if you're driving country roads alone and don't want to wear your belt, sure why not.[/QUOTE] Because an accident can still be bad - even on a country road. [QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;47232571]But if it's raining and you're in the city with a kid or something, you should definitely have to wear a belt then.[/QUOTE] Well, hey, we agree on something at least.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47233173]and not wearing your seat-belt is a danger to passengers. whats your point? it obviously isn't nearly as bad as using the phone but it's still an issue.[/QUOTE] People are acting like this is THE law that will make such a difference, idiots will be idiots, this law being in place or not will not change much, why argue and fight to the death over it? There are more important things to worry about, like people using phones while driving. I'll agree with you that this is at least a waste of time and I see no point in removing the law, but it still will not have a worthwhile impact. Time spent drafting and fighting for this could have been spent on something far more beneficial for drivers. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] No I'm not missing the point.

[QUOTE=LSK;47233210]People are acting like this is THE law that will make such a difference, idiots will be idiots, this law being in place or not will not change much, why argue and fight to the death over it? There are more important things to worry about, like people using phones while driving. I'll agree with you that this is at least a waste of time and I see no point in removing the law, but it still will not have a worthwhile impact. Time spent drafting and fighting for this could have been spent on something far more beneficial for drivers. [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] No I'm not missing the point.[/QUOTE] To be fair with you at least less time will be dealt with on seat belts and more time will be dealing with a more serious issue that poses a far higher danger than the chance of ?Maybe? getting hit by another person. (Phones + driving) so at least hopefully texting and driving will be better focused on.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47232313]Yeah! Why would you EVER give people the freedom to do what they want to do? How dare they?[/QUOTE] You don't have the right to turn yourself into a projectile and injure other people.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47232362]I know that it's very dangerous to not wear a seatbelt. That's why I always wear one. But the government shouldn't be making that decision for me.[/QUOTE] Some people are fatally stupid and need to be told what not to do.