Maine considering legislation that would make wearing seatbelts no longer mandatory for adults - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47233569]You don't have the right to turn yourself into a projectile and injure other people.[/QUOTE] You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.

[QUOTE=TestECull;47232596]While I'm all for people being able to disregard their own safety all they damn well please, the line comes in when that disregard also makes things hairy for other people. Whether or not you care whether *you* live through a crash, being unbuckled means a very high likelihood of getting ejected from the car. Corpses bouncing down freeways tend to cause more crashes from people swerving/braking to avoid them, which can in turn injure and kill more people. The law should stand, if only so other motorists don't have to dodge your left arse cheek, left leg and one kidney as it bounces over the center divide.[/QUOTE] IMO if you're negligent enough to injure/kill others with your ejected body parts, its really fucked up and selfish, but there's no way to punish them but to deny life insurance or some shit, which would really only affect the family. Nobody wins with this, what's the point? What will this change for Maine first responders and clean up crews? It's sickening to think of, yay now road gore is legal? Woo.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47233716]You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.[/QUOTE] Seatbelt laws have no down sides. If people wear their seatbelt because of the law (I think it's wrong to assume everyone who wears a seatbelt now would still do it without the risk of being fined) then everyone is safer, and if they don't then the state takes some money from idiots. People should have the ability to make decisions that only affect them, I agree. But the decision to wear a seatbelt or not affects everyone in the vehicle (not all of which may be adults able to decide they don't want to ride with someone who doesn't have a seatbelt on), and in some cases people outside the vehicle (though unlikely I suspect). Moreover, what message does this send to the impressionable minds around people who chose not to wear a seatbelt? It's easy to twist the decision to repeal seatbelt laws into an endorsement for not wearing a seatbelt.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47233716]You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.[/QUOTE] you are underestimating how much safer seatbelts make driving

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47233716]You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.[/QUOTE] You have the momentum of your body going at 30MPH, if the car stops and you are not tied down to the vehicle, you will still have that momentum and will attempt to impart that momentum on the first object you come across.

Am I right that the justification being given in this thread for seatbelt laws is that without them, people's bodies might fly through their windshields and harm other people? Is this the best reason people can come up with? [QUOTE=J!NX;47233867]you are underestimating how much safer seatbelts make driving[/QUOTE] It shouldn't be illegal to not act safely.

[QUOTE=sasherz;47234135]Am I right that the justification being given in this thread for seatbelt laws is that without them, people's bodies might fly through their windshields and harm other people? Is this the best reason people can come up with?[/QUOTE] Keeping yourself and others safe isn't a valid reason for a law, especially when all you have to do to obey the law is take a second to click a belt into place? Densest post in this thread, except maybe those ones by Silence, I kill you. [QUOTE]It shouldn't be illegal to not act safely.[/QUOTE] Why? I'm sure you have a good reason other than "well some people don't want to act safely" because that's a dumbassed reason.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47233716]You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.[/QUOTE] The amount of benefits from seat belt laws versus the cost of those safety laws in terms of your liberties is literally one sided. There are no downsides to them. They surely reduce insurance costs and general medical costs. They surely reduce other issues as well.

[QUOTE=sasherz;47234135]It shouldn't be illegal to not act safely.[/QUOTE] Except that's what laws are meant for: to prevent/punish people doing unsafe things that could/will effect someone else negatively either through physical, emotional, monetary, or other types of harm.

[QUOTE=sasherz;47234135]It shouldn't be illegal to not act safely.[/QUOTE] So DUI should be legal? The point of laws within a society are to limit all individuals within a society from having a significant negative impact on other individuals within that society. There's other laws of course because the world isn't perfect, but the general point is people should be allow to do whatever they want up until the point where their actions impact others in some significant way.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47231803][url]http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/maine-weighs-revoking-seat-belt-law-days-75-29279905[/url][/QUOTE] It's like a real life idiot cull.

Why would anybody [I]not[/I] want to wear a seatbelt? head + dashboard = brain smoothie. Seatbelts prevent that. It's worth the extra three seconds to buckle up, and it's hardly an [B][U]ASSAULT ON FREEDOM[/U][/B] to suggest that the police, supposed agents of public safety, should ticket folks who are caught not wearing them. You still have the choice to not wear a seatbelt, you'll just be gambling on getting a ticket. You're already gambling on having your head launched through your windshield like a meat cannonball, so surely the threat of a little ticket won't be an obstacle to your recklessness.

[QUOTE=V12US;47234566]It's like a real life idiot cull.[/QUOTE] You guys really have a thing for idiot culls, don't you?

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47233716]You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.[/QUOTE] jesus christ do you WANT to hurt people just so you can have your stupid right to put on a seatbelt or not??

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Only idiots would decide against using a safety belt while traveling in a car. It's something that's already so ingrained in to our society, I doubt this would make much of a difference.

The fact that there even exists people on Facepunch that believe wearing seat belt shouldn't be enforced boggles my mind. bogglebogglebogglebogelbgogle

As a person that lives in NH where a seat belt isn't required if you're 18 or over, I'm just irritated that NH won't be unique if the bill passes.

I wouldn't recommend partaking in a vehicle rollover without a seatbelt... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh0tnuWScKU[/media]

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47233716]You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.[/QUOTE] Because as everyone knows, car accidents are famous for involving low speeds and low amounts of energy. Cars are made out of spongecake

[QUOTE=benzinxrm;47232170]Having driven on a lot of back roads in Maine, many of which look similar but not quite as bad as this, [IMG]http://www.pressherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Arthur_Acco1.jpg[/IMG] I can safely say this is stupid. Especially considering the roads that I drove on are frequented by logging trucks that have no concept of slowing down.[/QUOTE] they are pretty bad but not THAT bad

[QUOTE=benzinxrm;47232170]Having driven on a lot of back roads in Maine, many of which look similar but not quite as bad as this, [IMG]http://www.pressherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Arthur_Acco1.jpg[/IMG] I can safely say this is stupid. Especially considering the roads that I drove on are frequented by logging trucks that have no concept of slowing down.[/QUOTE] What part of Maine have you been too? Jesus the roads are not even close to that around my area.

That looks like a third world country...

[QUOTE=Sector 7;47232329]The argument is that it isn't the role of the state to make decisions for people.[/QUOTE] And who has to scratch your ass off the asphalt in case of a crash which could have had a preventable death?

For those saying that it shouldn't be a requirement to wear a seatbelt, here's a video that some friends and mind made for a "PSA" [sp]Really we were dicking around with a free car and he took the jump too fast[/sp] [video=youtube;JwifUxuf8KM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwifUxuf8KM[/video] Both my friend's came out completely unscathed. (the car didn't [URL="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8606/16060297383_a93f208f76_k.jpg"]come out well though.[/URL]) They hit that jump at 120km/h and rolled ~4 times. Imagine this happening, except you're not prepared at all for it, not wearing your seatbelt. You'd be thrown around the car and more than likely out of the car and be seriously injured or die. There is absolutely no excuse to not wear a seatbelt.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47233716]You are SEVERELY underestimating the amount of energy it takes to turn a person into a projectile that can go through a windshield and still injure people, and overestimating the amount of accidents which occur that can transfer that amount of energy to people.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about. The energy comes from driving the fucking car at 30-40-50 whatever miles an hour. The damage comes from the car becoming stationary after hitting an object, the bodies inside the car remaining in motion, and hitting whatever stationary object is in front of them. Then there's the people on the backseat who DO regularly kill drivers, and this shit is documented. The accidents don't transfer any energy to people, wtf

[video=youtube;e6Qhmdk4VNs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Qhmdk4VNs[/video] [video=youtube;qsp-nrf_8KQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE&list=PLB3ACVzO-luU-13cFDsKD7GjfKETn7E7o&index=5[/video] These videos are perhaps amongst the best illustrations of why you should always wear a seat-belt. Australian PSAs ([URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE&list=PLB3ACVzO-luU-13cFDsKD7GjfKETn7E7o&index=5"]TAC[/URL]) for some reason are fantastic at being [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oal-vBFmnRk"]shocking[/URL], [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpNirJfuzs"]realistic[/URL], and [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpNirJfuzs"]informative[/URL].

Removing the requirement of a seatbelt is a step backwards, and a definitive way to increase the trauma and health cost burden to a State. Really smart Maine. Anyone with any sense, and not just being libertarians, would vote down this bill.

[QUOTE=Skerion;47234669]You guys really have a thing for idiot culls, don't you?[/QUOTE] Because only an idiot would choose not to wear their seat-belt.

Do it, grant it so we can lure out the idiots and let the decent people take their places.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;47232313]Yeah! Why would you EVER give people the freedom to do what they want to do? How dare they?[/QUOTE] I'd rather not have to swerve wildly to avoid splattering someone's head when they get flung from their car in a collision because they didn't wear a belt, thank you very much.