• Gabe Newell: "Piracy is basically a non-issue for our company."
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Everybody love steam!
[QUOTE=barttool;33423749]The last game I pirated was Portal. I fell so much in love with it that I decided to download steam and buy it legally. Ever since I buy all my games.[/QUOTE] wow am i on maury or something?
[QUOTE=Zestence;33427894]Steam is basically what made me stop pirating games completely. It's simply so convenient, and the sales are amazing. Also I have never downloaded a Valve game, ever, out of respect for the company.[/QUOTE] Sometimes there's a game on Steam, but I can pirate it. I go: Hmm, download and play, or download, crack, manually download updates etc. Fuckthatshit.jpg, then I purchase it on Steam. So much easier and faster.
Fuck Steam, man! They are eating my wallet with their damn Sales every day.
[quote=Newul]Our goal is to create greater service value than pirates[/quote] ...and you have succeeded!
[quote]We usually think of ourselves as customer centric rather than production centric. Most of our decisions are based on the rapidly evolving opportunities to better serve our customers, and not on optimizing to be a better game company or digital distributor. The latter focus would be more of a straitjacket than conceptual aid.[/quote] This is [I]exactly[/I] why Valve is the most awesome in the industry. Instead - like I'm picturing many other games' companies, EA Games et al) - of producing mediocre games as if it was a factory product, they actually produce quality content.
It's a non issue because they don't make games they just delay them.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;33424020]Ubisoft, this is why Valve is getting all of my money.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly shocked they don't realize they only punish their customers by applying ridiculous DRM to their games. The pirates aren't affected by it either way! [QUOTE=MrEndangered;33424174]Steam: Creating DRM so good that people forget it's DRM.[/QUOTE] I never even realized Steam itself is a DRM. For me it's that neat digital media distribution platform organizing all my games, always keeping them up to date and bringing them to where-ever I go. And raping my wallet, but everything has a side-effect. [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;33427873]Athough some games have that windows live bullshit as well and it's super annoying.[/QUOTE] Those are not Valve's games.
I have no idea why, but reading this thread made me happy for Valve's success and that they deserve it because they are a company that focus on the consumer and not the income of money. Kotick should take a leaf out of Gabe's book.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;33429806]Kotick should take a leaf out of Gabe's book.[/QUOTE] Everyone should take a leaf out of Gabes book.
[quote]Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. [/quote] obviously you've never heard of the land down under
Bold part, hnnnnnnnng so much joy Valve are the very best
Even though I don't particularly enjoy Valve games (only Counter-Strike, and I only play mods at that) they are clearly the best company when it comes to 'user relations' basically.
[QUOTE=mixshifter;33427928]Besides BF3. But even that's a stretch in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Now, I bought BF3, but I'm starting to regret it, don't get me wrong it's a great game, but it was really badly implemented IMO. If only it had steamworks, it could have a proper server browser, and a proper distribution platform unlike Origin.
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;33429840]Everyone should take a leaf out of Gabes book.[/QUOTE] The gaming industry would become a million times better, but too bad that won't happen.
[QUOTE=Trainbike;33423739]Bam. That right there is a shining example of a good business strategy. A lot of other companies should take note of this. If you put your customers first and forefront as opposed to the money you can take from them, you will ultimately end up making a lot [I]more[/I] money.[/QUOTE] I think that many more companies would like to employ that but don't forget that Valve is an unlimited company while others are owned by shareholders who control them, and for some unknown reason are extremely short sighted and refuse to make the investment to care more about customers to help themselves on the long run [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;33423733]and of course it doesn't hurt that steam's DRM is a lot of the time quite effective, right gabe?[/QUOTE] Steam games get cracked just as easily nowadays
[QUOTE=STeel;33430072]I think that many more companies would like to employ that but don't forget that Valve is an unlimited company while others are owned by shareholders who control them, and for some unknown reason are extremely short sighted and refuse to make the investment to care more about customers to help themselves on the long run [/QUOTE] I am not good at the economy business, but could anyone explain why many companies, especially big ones are owned by shareholders? Most big companies earn so much they could pretty much go indie, no? [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=STeel;33430072] Steam games get cracked just as easily nowadays[/QUOTE]Can't call it a copy protection kind of drm since even a baby can crack it. Steam games get cracked the same day they are released. Not before because they're encrypted and impossible to leak. Unlike console games hehe.
[QUOTE=barttool;33423899]He clearly said: "Biggest european market".[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain that is the result of Russia having a population as big as the rest of Europe. [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Teh Phoenix;33424038]and this is why i've never pirated a valve game[/QUOTE] I've pirated their games. Then bought them. And then again for my friends. And again for my parents. And again for my sister. And again for my coworkers. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("We don't need to know that you've pirated games" - verynicelady))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Stopper;33430275] I've pirated their games. Then bought them. And then again for my friends. And again for my parents. And again for my sister. And again for my coworkers.[/QUOTE] You might want to do it again for me :v:
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33430223]I am not good at the economy business, but could anyone explain why many companies, especially big ones are owned by shareholders? Most big companies earn so much they could pretty much go indie, no? [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] Can't call it a copy protection kind of drm since even a baby can crack it. Steam games get cracked the same day they are released. Not before because they're encrypted and impossible to leak. Unlike console games hehe.[/QUOTE] Basically, you need money to make things. In the beginning of the company, shareholders buy stock and invest there money into the company so the company has some money to make stuff with. Stock shares are basically ownership of the company, the more of the shares you have, the more you own. The shareholders can either sell the stock later for more money or guide the company towards their idea of growth, to get even more money. You can't just 'go indie', it would be fraud.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33430302]You might want to do it again for me :v:[/QUOTE] And I might not.
Please don't post about having pirated a game or games even if you bought the game afterwards. We don't need to know this. If I steal a bar of chocolate and I go back to the shop next day and buy another of the same bar because I enjoyed it so much, does that mean I didn't steal the first bar? [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] The rules say you shouldn't "openly declare" that you pirated.
Their games are always worth the money you pay.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;33427873]Athough some games have that windows live bullshit as well and it's super annoying.[/QUOTE] It's what basically ruined GTAIV and Bioshock 2 for me, it's so damn inconvenient
[quote]When will Half-life 3 be released? I don't know.[/quote] That is the most concrete answer we've had on a H-L sequel since 2007.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;33424174]Steam: Creating DRM so good that people forget it's DRM.[/QUOTE] Steam is a DRM? what the hell, how did i not notice that before.
[QUOTE=verynicelady;33430396]Please don't post about having pirated a game or games even if you bought the game afterwards. We don't need to know this. If I steal a bar of chocolate and I go back to the shop next day and buy another of the same bar because I enjoyed it so much, does that mean I didn't steal the first bar? [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] The rules say you shouldn't "openly declare" that you pirated.[/QUOTE] The problem with that logic is that when you pirate a game you aren't stealing an object, it's more like bringing a cloning machine to a store and using it on a chocolate bar, then eating the cloned bar. No sales loss.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;33430674]Pfft. Create offline account and never see it again. It's terrible but saying it "ruined a game" for you...[/QUOTE] Bioshbock 2 refused to work for about a month (it wouldn't recognize my GFWL account then it suddenly recognized it) plus it would often mess up while I was playing to "update" Bioshock 2 and it'd crash it and for GTAIV it was more an example of hyperbole because of how annoying it was
Better analogy would be going in and paying for the original bar since you don't wind up with two games. But yeah rules and idiots.
[QUOTE=legolover122;33423720]Gabe Newell is a brilliant man. Make a nice DRM system that doesnt screw the customers and tie it all up with deals every day PLUS megadeals like this one and you will probably get a lot more people buying their stuff...[/QUOTE] I don't even see steam as a DRM, your post reminded me that it actually is.
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