• Major Media Owning SOPA/PIPA Supporters Whine That They Had No Way To Have Their Message Heard
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I've only got one thing to say. MPAA/RIAA, u mad?
[QUOTE=latin_geek;34368275]They do realize they own all the OTHER medias and they could have bribed some "popstar" into feeding their fans pro-SOPA/PIPA/ACTA bullshit, right?[/QUOTE] Yeah but they still would have lost. Internet > them
haha oh wow
"And we'd have ruined the internet if it wasn't for you meddling kids!"
[quote]"You've got an opponent who has the capacity to reach millions of people with a click of a mouse and there's no fact-checker. They can say whatever they want."[/quote] He's basically saying out-right that he wants to get rid of freedom of speech. What the fuck.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;34360412]Boo-hoo. And not a single fuck was given.[/QUOTE] Oh a fuck was given... Strapped to a 1-megaton MPAA seeking missile that is.
You have any idea why that might be? Oh that's correct! No one who actually understands the internet supports SOPA/PIPA
cunts.
I think I'm going to sum up this WHOLE situation. Don't....EVER....fuck with the internet. You WILL lose.
Yeah, you can fuck off right about now MAFIAA
"Dump MORE money into congress!" "Uh sir?" "What is it big-ass-pile-O-money-shoveler-slave-bitch?" "The money has run out." *Spits out drink*"[b]WHAT!?[/b]" "The money, it's all gone." "Oh no! But how can we be [i]important[/i] with out it!?"
[QUOTE=Trumple;34372709]You have any idea why that might be? Oh that's correct! No one who actually understands the internet supports SOPA/PIPA[/QUOTE] Not entirely true. I'm pretty certain most people actually support SOPA/PIPA's principles. Piracy = stealing after all, and legislation to allow companies to deal with people stealing their product. It is the completely over the top legislation that is SOPA/PIPA that we oppose, the "cure" must not be as bad as/worse than the crime. Edit: But SOPA/PIPA isn't the only case of that, DRM getting absolutely atrocious to the point where it can be impossible to properly play your game drives people to piracy as well, games being overpriced for the amount of content they offer is driving people to that etc etc. Both sides are as bad as eachother here with the difference being that publishers have the law on their side.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34373021]Not entirely true. I'm pretty certain most people actually support SOPA/PIPA's principles. Piracy = stealing after all, and legislation to allow companies to deal with people stealing their product. It is the completely over the top legislation that is SOPA/PIPA that we oppose, the "cure" must not be as bad as/worse than the crime. Edit: But SOPA/PIPA isn't the only case of that, DRM getting absolutely atrocious to the point where it can be impossible to properly play your game drives people to piracy as well, games being overpriced for the amount of content they offer is driving people to that etc etc. Both sides are as bad as eachother here with the difference being that publishers have the law on their side.[/QUOTE] I never said anything about other solutions to the piracy problem, but SOPA as a whole is unsupported, regardless of whether it has good principles or not, due to the negative effects it would have.... specifically the fact that the negatives outweigh the positives Besides, the greedy bastards in Hollywood deserve piracy right now - For all the adverts they pile on to paying customers DVDs. It's disgusting.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34373021]Not entirely true. I'm pretty certain most people actually support SOPA/PIPA's principles. Piracy = stealing after all, and legislation to allow companies to deal with people stealing their product. It is the completely over the top legislation that is SOPA/PIPA that we oppose, the "cure" must not be as bad as/worse than the crime. Edit: But SOPA/PIPA isn't the only case of that, DRM getting absolutely atrocious to the point where it can be impossible to properly play your game drives people to piracy as well, games being overpriced for the amount of content they offer is driving people to that etc etc. Both sides are as bad as eachother here with the difference being that publishers have the law on their side.[/QUOTE] Piracy isn't stealing. If I take a picture of a painting you have at home, did I steal your painting? Did I steal a painting from the artist's workshop? No, I copied something you had, which I might end up buying if I like it. I wouldn't have bought it to begin with otherwise, so it only ended up helping the seller in the long run. No harm done.
I have pirated several games without demos and ended up buying them. I mean even Skyrim that costs 60 fucking dollars. What they need to do, is stop asking so much money for games. I mean 60 dollars? At least go back to 50.
[QUOTE=Miskav;34373139]Piracy isn't stealing. If I take a picture of a painting you have at home, did I steal your painting? Did I steal a painting from the artist's workshop? No, I copied something you had, which I might end up buying if I like it. I wouldn't have bought it to begin with otherwise, so it only ended up helping the seller in the long run. No harm done.[/QUOTE] pi·ra·cy (pr-s) n. pl. pi·ra·cies 1. a. Robbery committed at sea. b. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane. [B]2. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.[/B] 3. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station. steal (stl) v. stole (stl), sto·len (stln), steal·ing, steals v.tr. [B]1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.[/B] 2. To present or use (someone else's words or ideas) as one's own. 3. To get or take secretly or artfully: steal a look at a diary; steal the puck from an opponent. 4. To give or enjoy (a kiss) that is unexpected or unnoticed. 5. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics. 6. Baseball To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch. Note the bolded parts. Yes, it is stealing. They make a game that they hold the rights to, and you can buy the game from them - where they give you the right to play it. If you play it without buying it, you're stealing it. I am very much against SOPA/PIPA, but piracy is ultimately illegal.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34373255] Note the bolded parts. Yes, it is stealing. They make a game that they hold the rights to, and you can buy the game from them - where they give you the right to play it. If you play it without buying it, you're stealing it. I am very much against SOPA/PIPA, but piracy is ultimately illegal.[/QUOTE] Break it down further: Piracy: The unauthorized use or reproduction of X Stealing: To take X without right or permission. You're not taking, you're using or reproducing.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34373255]pi·ra·cy (pr-s) n. pl. pi·ra·cies 1. a. Robbery committed at sea. b. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane. [B]2. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.[/B] 3. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station. steal (stl) v. stole (stl), sto·len (stln), steal·ing, steals v.tr. [B]1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.[/B] 2. To present or use (someone else's words or ideas) as one's own. 3. To get or take secretly or artfully: steal a look at a diary; steal the puck from an opponent. 4. To give or enjoy (a kiss) that is unexpected or unnoticed. 5. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics. 6. Baseball To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch. Note the bolded parts. Yes, it is stealing. They make a game that they hold the rights to, and you can buy the game from them - where they give you the right to play it. If you play it without buying it, you're stealing it. I am very much against SOPA/PIPA, but piracy is ultimately illegal.[/QUOTE] So how did you go from unauthorised reproduction to relieving the other party of their stuff?
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34373255]pi·ra·cy (pr-s) n. pl. pi·ra·cies 1. a. Robbery committed at sea. b. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane. [B]2. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.[/B] 3. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station. steal (stl) v. stole (stl), sto·len (stln), steal·ing, steals v.tr. [B]1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.[/B] 2. To present or use (someone else's words or ideas) as one's own. 3. To get or take secretly or artfully: steal a look at a diary; steal the puck from an opponent. 4. To give or enjoy (a kiss) that is unexpected or unnoticed. 5. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics. 6. Baseball To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch. Note the bolded parts. Yes, it is stealing. They make a game that they hold the rights to, and you can buy the game from them - where they give you the right to play it. If you play it without buying it, you're stealing it. I am very much against SOPA/PIPA, but piracy is ultimately illegal.[/QUOTE] Except you don't steal anything. It may be the definition, but the act doesn't match the definition in this case.
[QUOTE=Rents;34373402]So how did you go from unauthorised reproduction to relieving the other party of their stuff?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Miskav;34373610]Except you don't steal anything. It may be the definition, but the act doesn't match the definition in this case.[/QUOTE] Is it your property or theirs? Are you using their property without their permission or not? Fair enough if you REALLY want to start splitting hairs you could argue that it's not "stealing" in the strictest sense of the word but to suggest it's legal is retarded.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34373856]Are you using their property without their permission or not?[/QUOTE] Yes, you are. Most people who crack and upload games do so willingly, in case you haven't figured that out.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34373856]Is it your property or theirs? Are you using their property without their permission or not? Fair enough if you REALLY want to start splitting hairs you could argue that it's not "stealing" in the strictest sense of the word but to suggest it's legal is retarded.[/QUOTE] I never mentioned legality, and it's not like theft at all, it's got more in common with counterfeit goods or plagiarism.
At the rate they're saying piracy hurts their pocket I'm surprised they haven't blamed the world economic crisis on it yet
I get a considerable amount of pleasure out of watching this guy cry KEEP IT UP CHRIS !
[QUOTE=Paramud;34373980]Yes, you are. Most people who crack and upload games do so willingly, in case you haven't figured that out.[/QUOTE] Only the crack is theirs, and they didn't pay for the rights to spread the game. Only for the right to play it.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34374685]Only the crack is theirs, and they didn't pay for the rights to spread the game. Only for the right to play it.[/QUOTE] By that logic, borrowing a game, movie, or book from a friend is also theft.
[QUOTE=Paramud;34374722]By that logic, borrowing a game, movie, or book from a friend is also theft.[/QUOTE] That falls under Fair Use I believe. You're not 100% prohibited from letting others use the copy you bought, as long as it is within a certain limit. Piracy is not within that limit.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34374848]That falls under Fair Use I believe. You're not 100% prohibited from letting others use the copy you bought, as long as it is within a certain limit. Piracy is not within that limit.[/QUOTE] Legally speaking, sure. But we're not talking about what the law considers theft, we're talking about what is [b]actually[/b] theft and what isn't.
[QUOTE=Paramud;34374873]Legally speaking, sure. But we're not talking about what the law considers theft, we're talking about what is [b]actually[/b] theft and what isn't.[/QUOTE] In about 99,9% of the situations what the law considers theft is actually theft and vice versa. At the end of the day it doesn't matter, piracy is illegal and morally wrong. You're playing something you have no right or permission to play nor did you fullfill the requirements necessary to get a copy from the guy who made it.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34374927]You're playing something you have no right or permission to play[/QUOTE] You're breathing air I didn't give you permission to breathe. Does that make it morally impermissible to breathe? Permission isn't a moral argument if it isn't respected. [QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34374927]nor did you fullfill the requirements necessary to get a copy from the guy who made it.[/QUOTE] Those requirements may have been asinine and something I'd be incapable of or unwilling to fulfill normally. Piracy [URL="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21373-why-should-we-stop-online-piracy.html"]actively prevents such deadweight issues.[/URL] There's no moral argument against piracy when: [QUOTE]There's no evidence that the US is currently suffering from an excessive amount of online piracy, and there is ample reason to believe that a non-zero level of copyright infringement is socially beneficial.[/QUOTE]
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