"Make drugs legally available", says Ex-Minister Bob Ainsworth
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[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736268]For a lot of people here saying drugs are perfectly safe etc
Warning you now its not pretty
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Dear fucking god do you people seriously not get it? There are a fucking ton of horror stories, big fucking deal. There's 10x, 20x, 30x even more stories that are perfectly harmless and enjoyable. The fact of the fucking matter is that the drugs didn't cause this, those people were fucking insane in the first place and the drug just showed that. So, LEGALIZE IT! Then you have to get tested to buy it and you'd be told whether or not you could, because they do cause insanity in people with a history of psychological issues.
Or you can just be totally ignorant.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736268]For a lot of people here saying drugs are perfectly safe etc
Warning you now its not pretty
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Yes because that's what everybody does when they're high.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26736319]Dear fucking god do you people seriously not get it? There are a fucking ton of horror stories, big fucking deal. There's 10x, 20x, 30x even more stories that are perfectly harmless and enjoyable. The fact of the fucking matter is that the drugs didn't cause this, those people were fucking insane in the first place and the drug just showed that. So, LEGALIZE IT! Then you have to get tested to buy it and you'd be told whether or not you could, because they do cause insanity in people with a history of psychological issues.
Or you can just be totally ignorant.[/QUOTE]
Even if you get denied, you can just ask your accepted friend to buy some
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26736338]Yes because that's what everybody does when they're high.[/QUOTE]
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Nice assumptions bro.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26736319]Dear fucking god do you people seriously not get it? There are a fucking ton of horror stories, big fucking deal. There's 10x, 20x, 30x even more stories that are perfectly harmless and enjoyable. The fact of the fucking matter is that the drugs didn't cause this, those people were fucking insane in the first place and the drug just showed that. So, LEGALIZE IT! Then you have to get tested to buy it and you'd be told whether or not you could, because they do cause insanity in people with a history of psychological issues.
Or you can just be totally ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I say legalize it completely and let these crazy people kill themselves off. Thats natural selection at its best.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26736408]Even if you get denied, you can just ask your accepted friend to buy some[/QUOTE]
what's your point, we should keep it illegal because of that?
i would rather people with problems got them off a regulated, controlled establishment than a dude slinging lines in an alley.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26736408]Even if you get denied, you can just ask your accepted friend to buy some[/QUOTE]
Uh, it's illegal to give prescribed meds to someone else, and presuming that would be a fairly enforceable law as you have to get things through doctors and such.
Do you think prohibition works? Seriously? Do you think making something illegal will keep it out of someones hands? Are you naive? The people that really want it, will get it. Nothing can be done to stop that in any case. What we have to do is focus on limiting the damage it does to the mainstream. There's a simple way to just avoid the problems of all that by incorporating doctors into it, or even just educating people about drugs, maybe even make it mandatory to learn and be educated about drugs if you so much as try to buy it.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736504]:frog:
Nice assumptions bro.
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I was being sarcastic about your dumb post. You're clearly not educated on this subject at all so just stop posting.
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[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;26736514]what's your point, we should keep it illegal because of that?
i would rather people with problems got them off a regulated, controlled establishment than a dude slinging lines in an alley.[/QUOTE]
It may not get rid of drug crimes, but it would certainly cut down the rates.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26736534]I was being sarcastic about your dumb post. You're clearly not educated on this subject at all so just stop posting.
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You're clearly not educated any higher than 5th grade English.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736562]You're clearly not educated any higher than 5th grade English.[/QUOTE]
You're either a terrible troll or just a terrible poster.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26736595]terrible poster.[/QUOTE]
No thats obviously you.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;26734865]All drugs should be legal and regulated, making them illegal only creates bigger problems than it solves. Portugal recently de-criminalized use of all drugs and that turned out to be a great success. By legalizing and regulating we also kill organized criminal gangs by ruining their number 1 income.[/QUOTE]
I'll play devil's advocate here
If criminals can't sell drugs, yes you ruin their #1 source of income, but they won't STOP being criminals and druggies. They'll just find something else to sell, or create something even worse than meth or crack or whatever you kids smoke now a days.
Also if weed is legalized, then they'll obviously put an age restriction on it. I'm fine with the one guy in my area who sells smokes to minors, but if I want to buy weed I don't want to have to wait until I'm 19 (Canada woot). I'd like to buy my illicits at whatever age I want
[sp]I'm 17, fuck waiting to smoke weed, I'll happily have it illegal just so I can call someone up and go "yo, can I buy a quarter" whenever I want to.[/sp]
Pageking: meth is bad, m'kay
Superdinoman..
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[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736268]For a lot of people here saying drugs are perfectly safe etc[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming that it is some picture of someone who got extremely injured from being on drugs. That, or it is someone who is really high on weed having a good time, but I'll just assume the first. I'm guessing it is the second option because of the picture name, but I don't care because I'm still making a point because a lot of people don't get it.
Using drugs is like driving a car. An accident can happen because cars are pretty dangerous to unknown circumstances, but under the care of a safe driver and accident usually does not occur. Now I can show a lot of wrecks from what happened to people in bad car crashes, but that doesn't at all mean driving a car isn't safe, it just means that there is a chance of danger. Sometimes an accident is unavoidable, but most of the time it is user caused. This is why most agencies that talk about car safety don't say "driving a car isn't safe" they instead list activities that are not safe while driving a car. For example: talking a cell phone, driving drunk, driving while under huge emotional stress, carelessness. All of those up your chances for an accident by so much which is why they warn of it. To continue with my dumb analogy, making the claim that drugs should be illegal because they are unsafe because accidents are likely to occur is like making the claim that cars are unsafe because accidents are likely to occur with them. Is it that driving a car or doing drugs is dangerous, or is that they become dangerous with ignorance and a recklass attitude?
[QUOTE=zydos;26736611]I'll play devil's advocate here
If criminals can't sell drugs, yes you ruin their #1 source of income, but they won't STOP being criminals and druggies. They'll just find something else to sell, or create something even worse than meth or crack or whatever you kids smoke now a days.
Also if weed is legalized, then they'll obviously put an age restriction on it. I'm fine with the one guy in my area who sells smokes to minors, but if I want to buy weed I don't want to have to wait until I'm 19 (Canada woot). I'd like to buy my illicits at whatever age I want
[sp]I'm 17, fuck waiting to smoke weed, I'll happily have it illegal just so I can call someone up and go "yo, can I buy a quarter" whenever I want to.[/sp][/QUOTE]
If a worse drug was just made up... You'd just legalize it and regulate around it, like every other drug. It doesn't take a genius to see that making something illegal makes it fairly easy to get generally(All illegal drugs are within an hour from me, and I live in a nice part of town) and even as a minor yourself you can see that it has no effect on the people that want to get it, they'll get it.
And drug use is not advisable medically before 20 or so. I know i'm a hypocrite, but now I'm past the legal age so I'm fine with it being limited.
Ok, everyone who thinks this is a bad idea think about this for a moment: If coke, meth, and everything was made legal, would you start using them?
Making everything legal wouldn´t even increase the amount of peple using drugs. Everyone who wants to use something already uses it. Everyone who doesn´t, doesn´t. Prohibition doesn´t stop people from using drugs and it never has.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736268]For a lot of people here saying drugs are perfectly safe etc
Warning you now its not pretty
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You´re a god damn idot and a tool. Nothing is safe. People choke on food every day. Still, somehow food isn´t illegal.
I won´t even begin listing all the problems prohibition causes, and I´ve yet to find something it would solve.
If I can grow weed legally, take MDMA, shrooms, acid and DMT safely, then I'm really happy. The heroin and crack is a weird one, but prohibition is still the wost option.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736504]I say legalize it completely and let these crazy people kill themselves off. Thats natural selection at its best.[/QUOTE]
Which is easily a substitution of your own definition of natural selection. You believe lowly of people who use drugs and think they'll weed themselves out if given the chance. People who define natural selection are similar to Hitler, making unfounded claims that a certain group is superior while another group is inferior. You likely believe it and it is going to be difficult for you to see it otherwise without a lot of rational thinking and some time.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26736679]If a worse drug was just made up... You'd just legalize it and regulate around it, like every other drug. It doesn't take a genius to see that making something illegal makes it fairly easy to get generally(All illegal drugs are within an hour from me, and I live in a nice part of town) and even as a minor yourself you can see that it has no effect on the people that want to get it, they'll get it.
And drug use is not advisable medically before 20 or so. I know i'm a hypocrite, but now I'm past the legal age so I'm fine with it being limited.[/QUOTE]
Crystal Meth is not good for you. We all know that. Why would you want something WORSE being made? And regulated? Just saying, by legalizing most shit it will do the world good, yes, but some things just need to be abolished. There is NO reason to smoke meth. It's shit you find under your goddamn sink.
We're opening the door to let people create even more toxic drugs, because the most toxic ones will already be legalized. Yes, legalize weed, cocaine, heroine, DMT, LSD, mushrooms, and youknowwhat (they're somewhat natural, they aren't rat poison cooked with ammonia or w.e). PLEASE sell them over the counter, this would make the world a better, more crime-free place, but come on... something worse than meth. Jesus fucking christ.
[QUOTE=Pepin;26736740]Which is easily a substitution of your own definition of natural selection. You believe lowly of people who use drugs and think they'll weed themselves out if given the chance. People who define natural selection are similar to Hitler, making unfounded claims that a certain group is superior while another group is inferior. You likely believe it and it is going to be difficult for you to see it otherwise without a lot of rational thinking and some time.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah totally thats me.
Hitler against jews, only in this case the jews are drug users.
Yep totally. :godwin:
This guy has the right idea.
Prohibition creates far more problems than it solves.
Also, some illegal drugs have been shown to be far safer than legal alternatives such as alcohol and tobacco and even so-called "legal highs" yet the law remains ignorant of progress and investigation keeping many things banned just because they always have been or because of problems that wouldn't exist without prohibition rather than based on any real tangible evidence.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;26735726]A naturally occurring plant is far different from a mixture of bleach and car battery acid. (see: METH)[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant, it's still not your choice to decide whether or not someone else can make use of methamphetamine, which sure as shit isn't bleach and battery acid.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26736808]Irrelevant, it's still not your choice to decide whether or not someone else can make use of methamphetamine, which sure as shit isn't bleach and battery acid.[/QUOTE]
herp you know what he means, you do meth? Defending it, eh?
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736767]Oh yeah totally thats me.[/QUOTE]
It certainly is if you are defining your own terms for natural selection. You don't really seem to be making any real arguments, it seems more you're just trying to get reactions. That or you are really bad at making arguments. I'm going to guess the first. If you really don't get it, the Hitler comparison was to show you how unreasonable defining your own terms for natural selection is.
[QUOTE=zydos;26736745]
We're opening the door to let people create even more toxic drugs, because the most toxic ones will already be legalized. Yes, legalize weed, cocaine, heroine, DMT, LSD, mushrooms, and youknowwhat (they're somewhat natural, they aren't rat poison cooked with ammonia or w.e). PLEASE sell them over the counter, this would make the world a better, more crime-free place, but come on... something worse than meth. Jesus fucking christ.[/QUOTE]
Once again with the natural. How does it being natural make it any less dangerous?
Or a better question: How does it being synthetic make it any more dangerous?
[QUOTE=zydos;26736849]herp you know what he means, you do meth? Defending it, eh?[/QUOTE]
you don't have a goddamn clue about what you're talking about.
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[QUOTE=zydos;26736745]Crystal Meth is not good for you. We all know that. Why would you want something WORSE being made? And regulated? Just saying, by legalizing most shit it will do the world good, yes, but some things just need to be abolished. There is NO reason to smoke meth. It's shit you find under your goddamn sink.
We're opening the door to let people create even more toxic drugs, because the most toxic ones will already be legalized. Yes, legalize weed, cocaine, heroine, DMT, LSD, mushrooms, and youknowwhat (they're somewhat natural, they aren't rat poison cooked with ammonia or w.e). PLEASE sell them over the counter, this would make the world a better, more crime-free place, but come on... something worse than meth. Jesus fucking christ.[/QUOTE]
see above.
[QUOTE=zydos;26736611]I'll play devil's advocate here
If criminals can't sell drugs, yes you ruin their #1 source of income, but they won't STOP being criminals and druggies. They'll just find something else to sell, or create something even worse than meth or crack or whatever you kids smoke now a days.
Also if weed is legalized, then they'll obviously put an age restriction on it. I'm fine with the one guy in my area who sells smokes to minors, but if I want to buy weed I don't want to have to wait until I'm 19 (Canada woot). I'd like to buy my illicits at whatever age I want
[sp]I'm 17, fuck waiting to smoke weed, I'll happily have it illegal just so I can call someone up and go "yo, can I buy a quarter" whenever I want to.[/sp][/QUOTE]
You could still get drugs illegally/for recreational purposes but for the sake of the people who it would benefit medically they should be legal for prescription.
And as for cannabis, it isn't even illegal [i]because[/i] it's a drug, it's illegal because the government couldn't tax it for it's other uses in 1961 (find a source on the internet to find out how shit went down).
Besides, it has little to no harmful effects (harmful if smoked with tobacco, obviously). Tobacco and alcohol are sold and they cause a lot of problems, so there I see no logical reason why it shouldn't be sold behind the counter.
[QUOTE=zydos;26736849]herp you know what he means, you do meth? Defending it, eh?[/QUOTE]
Actually no I don't but as a chemist I know methamphetiamine is not comprised of high concentration sulphuric acid and dense hydrocarbons and chlorine thanks to this picture.
[img]http://www.montana.edu/wwwai/imsd/rezmeth/transmit_files/image002.jpg[/img]
You see this? Yeah well this is called an aromatic compound, it has an amide link, which bleach and sulphuric acid cannot create.
YOU THICK AS SHIT MOTHER FUCKER!!
[QUOTE=Pepin;26736874]It certainly is if you are defining your own terms for natural selection. You don't really seem to be making any real arguments, it seems more you're just trying to get reactions. That or you are really bad at making arguments. I'm going to guess the first.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I find it funny that the majority of Facepunch has the Analytical Linguistic skills of a 5 year old.
Rate dumb if you suck at reading
the theory is that if you were to separate the illegal status from something, it won't be seen as a taboo and abused.
and yet look at how many russian meth heads there are
[QUOTE=M_B;26736998]the theory is that if you were to separate the illegal status from something, it won't be seen as a taboo and abused.
and yet look at how many russian meth heads there are[/QUOTE]
that's not what the theory is at all.
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