• "Make drugs legally available", says Ex-Minister Bob Ainsworth
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[QUOTE=zydos;26736745]Crystal Meth is not good for you. We all know that. Why would you want something WORSE being made? And regulated? Just saying, by legalizing most shit it will do the world good, yes, but some things just need to be abolished. There is NO reason to smoke meth. It's shit you find under your goddamn sink. We're opening the door to let people create even more toxic drugs, because the most toxic ones will already be legalized. Yes, legalize weed, cocaine, heroine, DMT, LSD, mushrooms, and youknowwhat (they're somewhat natural, they aren't rat poison cooked with ammonia or w.e). PLEASE sell them over the counter, this would make the world a better, more crime-free place, but come on... something worse than meth. Jesus fucking christ.[/QUOTE] Ok, yeah, abolish it. Oh WAIT! ISN'T THAT EXACTLY WHATS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW? Look how well that's working out genius. Legalizing these things is the only way it gets better. Also, pure meth isn't going to fucking ruin your life, it's addictive, but the physical damage of meth use is due to the impurities implied with shitty cooks. Crack is the only drug that is a one time addiction rate, I mean forms of meth are used as medicine for hundreds of problems, this is just another form and for people with the right willpower, it's not bad for them in the short run. Either. Fucking. Way. Making them illegal isn't stopping anyone from getting them. Why do you not fucking see that?
[QUOTE=zydos;26736611]I'll play devil's advocate here If criminals can't sell drugs, yes you ruin their #1 source of income, but they won't STOP being criminals and druggies. They'll just find something else to sell, or create something even worse than meth or crack or whatever you kids smoke now a days. Also if weed is legalized, then they'll obviously put an age restriction on it. I'm fine with the one guy in my area who sells smokes to minors, but if I want to buy weed I don't want to have to wait until I'm 19 (Canada woot). I'd like to buy my illicits at whatever age I want[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=zydos;26736745]Crystal Meth is not good for you. We all know that. Why would you want something WORSE being made? And regulated? Just saying, by legalizing most shit it will do the world good, yes, but some things just need to be abolished. There is NO reason to smoke meth. It's shit you find under your goddamn sink. We're opening the door to let people create even more toxic drugs, because the most toxic ones will already be legalized. Yes, legalize weed, cocaine, heroine, DMT, LSD, mushrooms, and youknowwhat (they're somewhat natural, they aren't rat poison cooked with ammonia or w.e). PLEASE sell them over the counter, this would make the world a better, more crime-free place, but come on... something worse than meth. Jesus fucking christ.[/QUOTE] Why the hell would they want to start making something worse? Believe or not, but businesses (legal or ellegal) want to make [b]profit[/b], and to make profit, they need customers. So why, just why, would they want their customers dead? They don´t want to sell dangerous substances, if they would invent some kind of drug that is is completely ridden of all side effects (-addiction), they would sell it. You´re sounding like people would be intentionally trying to make substances that are as harmfull to people as possible. It makes no sense.
Faking drugs passes is gonna be the new drug dealing.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736979]Maybe I find it funny that the majority of Facepunch has the Analytical Linguistic skills of a 5 year old.[/QUOTE] So you're basically just talking out your ass the whole time Not a surprise there.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26737111]So you're basically just talking out your ass the whole time [/QUOTE] Sorry but my ass does not have the required bio-mechanical instruments to execute such complex forms of speech. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling throughout the thread" - Benji))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=sami-elite;26737106]Faking drugs passes is gonna be the new drug dealing.[/QUOTE] No, because it's not very hard to be okay-d for just about every drug, and if it was a good system, education on the drug would also be required for any drug, so people who shouldn't take meth, or pcp, or what have you probably wouldn't take it. Sure, some prescriptions would be shared, it's impossible to stop that, but for the most part, it's the best system yet. But of course, if you really think it's better to leave it totally unregulated because a flaw in a somewhat working system somehow ruins the idea compared to a system that fails entirely.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26737136]No, because it's not very hard to be okay-d for just about every drug, and if it was a good system, education on the drug would also be required for any drug, so people who shouldn't take meth, or pcp, or what have you probably wouldn't take it. Sure, some prescriptions would be shared, it's impossible to stop that, but for the most part, it's the best system yet. But of course, if you really think it's better to leave it totally unregulated because a flaw in a somewhat working system somehow ruins the idea compared to a system that fails entirely.[/QUOTE] I understand. But if they wanted to do something like testing people and paper work then there's gonna be fake paper work and corruption.
[QUOTE=M_B;26736998]the theory is that if you were to separate the illegal status from something, it won't be seen as a taboo and abused. and yet look at how many russian meth heads there are[/QUOTE] No, that's not what the theory is, and that's never been what it is. It's a fairly simple idea honestly. Drugs = illegal. People = Want drugs. People get illegal drugs. Nothing in the premise of them being illegal stops anyone from getting them. Banning them and cracking down on them has done nothing, has done worse than nothing, it has been in place while drug statistics have spiraled beyond what anyone imagined. It's not a bad thing because a lot of that is soft drugs, but all the same, drug use has gone up through prohibition, did you think the alcohol prohibition did the job any better? No. Look at portugual if you want to be smart. They had a terrible drug problem, worst in the EU, and they simply legalized all drugs and established some small treatment centers to help with drug education and use and safety and rehab. Guess what? Drug problem fell off the map. Almost right away.
A lot of drugs simply are not as bad as people make them out to be, whether they're made in a lab or on a farm. Just because it is made in a lab doesn't mean its any less safe than ingesting drugs derived from actual plants: Coca - Cocaine Poppies - Heroin I think important drug education (that teaches you the straight facts) is more important than controlling the substances. And by making it illegal you're changing the whole face of drugs in general. People always equate drugs with violence, sex, and a bunch of other shit.. But think about how many people drop acid and just play bongos, sing, talk, or lay on the grass and stare up at the sky and pick apart their life. What in the FUCK is the problem with that? If someoen can take a drug and be totally chill (EG Not trying to rip their face off, jumping from buildings, or raping dogs/humans) then doesn't that mean the problem is with the people who are ingesting them? Why yes. Of course. A lot of people have this misconception that Acid, mushrooms or any other hallucinogen/enthogen make peopel develop psychological disorders, and this is [b]pure fiction.[/b] Pre existing mental health conditions, schitzophrenia for example, can exist within many people, and lay dormant throughout a grand portion of their life. All of the sudden, they take some acid and see those background thoughts flowing through their mind on a day to day basis, and they uncover their problem. A lot of people who are against drugs are against the image of drugs that they have in their mind, not the actual drugs. They're against the actions of violent/crazy drug users.
[QUOTE=TehKaboose;26736728] Making everything legal wouldn´t even increase the amount of peple using drugs. Everyone who wants to use something already uses it. Everyone who doesn´t, doesn´t. Prohibition doesn´t stop people from using drugs and it never has. I won´t even begin listing all the problems prohibition causes, and I´ve yet to find something it would solve.[/QUOTE] This. For example; I smoke weed for recreational purposes (obviously), I'm very much [b]able[/b] to get stronger drugs since I have contact with other people that do them. The only thing that's stopping me is that [b]I just simply don't want to do them[/b], the fact that it's illegal isn't what's stopping me. I don't want to take stronger drugs, that doesn't mean other people can't, they can do what they like. If they don't want anything to do with any drugs, then just don't take them, that doesn't mean they have to be illegal.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;26737207]I understand. But if they wanted to do something like testing people and paper work then there's gonna be fake paper work and corruption.[/QUOTE] Sure is, no one can stop that. It's just the shittyness of humanity. Oh well, move on. We can only minimize it by fixing the circumstances that cause it and making drugs educated, most harm drugs cause is due to mis-education. I'm 100% sure of that.
There's no such thing as an incorruptible system though, if there's a human element then someone is gonna play the system, but most folk will be content with drugs being legalised and in decent purities and the like.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-y-uamSiE[/media] A comedian on "The War on Drugs" And how fucking ridiculous it really sounds. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] This video is Bill Hicks, check out his stuff. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yfe0_g6z7c&feature=related[/media]
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26737281][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-y-uamSiE[/media] A comedian on "The War on Drugs" And how fucking ridiculous it really sounds. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] This video is Bill Hicks, check out his stuff. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yfe0_g6z7c&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] Bill Hicks was a genius.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26737281][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-y-uamSiE[/media] A comedian on "The War on Drugs" And how fucking ridiculous it really sounds. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] This video is Bill Hicks, check out his stuff. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yfe0_g6z7c&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] Fuck yeah, Bill Hicks was right about so much.
FUCK YEAH get fucked on everything everyday
Drugs negatively affect your state of mind.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;26738128]Drugs negatively affect your state of mind.[/QUOTE] Please do your research before blindly posting what you think is information.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;26738128]Drugs negatively affect your state of mind.[/QUOTE] Yeah man and thats why they feel so good. [QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26738174]Please do your research before blindly posting what you think is information.[/QUOTE] Would be a good idea to follow what you preach there bro.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;26738128]Drugs negatively affect your state of mind.[/QUOTE] Anti depressants and anti psychotics are drugs. Flawless logic there asshat, fuck if your brains were explosive you wouldn't have enough to kill a flea.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26738213]Yeah man and thats why they feel so good. Would be a good idea to follow what you preach there bro.[/QUOTE] I've seen you shitposting in several threads in the last hour. Shoo.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26738309]I've seen you shitposting in several threads in the last hour. Shoo.[/QUOTE] Shit post or make posts that you refuse to read and then try to make assumptions out of? Like saying that I said drugs should be illegal? I said no such thing. Like saying that I said only idiots use drugs? I said no such thing. Once again your Analytical skills are ass bad, you read a small part of a post rather the take in the whole picture and then go off on a tempter tantrum. It is you who is in fact the terrible poster so I suggest you once again take your own advice and "shoo".
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26738423]Shit post or make posts that you refuse to read and then try to make assumptions out of? Like saying that I said drugs should be illegal? I said no such thing. Like saying that I said only idiots use drugs? I said no such thing. Once again your Analytical skills are ass bad, you read a small part of a post rather the take in the whole picture and then go off on a tempter tantrum. It is you who is in fact the terrible poster so I suggest you once again take your own advice and "shoo".[/QUOTE] What, I never even implied that you said any of those things. And I plainly meant you're shit posting, there's a number of other people who quite clearly think you're annoying. [img]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs224.ash2/49031_1015225756_2122553_n.jpg[/img] Ah, now I see why you're mad.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26738497]there's a number of other people who quite clearly think you're annoying.[/QUOTE] Make a thread about it :downs: Oh no someone on the internet hates me I guess I better go kill myself.
He's just trying to get reactions. Report him, move on, no sense in replying.
[QUOTE=Pepin;26736740]Which is easily a substitution of your own definition of natural selection. You believe lowly of people who use drugs and think they'll weed themselves out if given the chance. People who define natural selection are similar to Hitler, making unfounded claims that a certain group is superior while another group is inferior. You likely believe it and it is going to be difficult for you to see it otherwise without a lot of rational thinking and some time.[/QUOTE] Holy Jeebus, this cat can't be for real.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26738497] [img_thumb]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs224.ash2/49031_1015225756_2122553_n.jpg[/img_thumb] Ah, now I see why you're mad.[/QUOTE] Yeah man if you make fun of me m calling my Christian buddies on you. [QUOTE=Pepin;26738575]He's just trying to get reactions. Report him, move on, no sense in replying.[/QUOTE] Not really you guys are just terrible at reading.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26738174]Please do your research before blindly posting what you think is information.[/QUOTE] Uh, okay. First, are you honestly making the implication that drugs have no negative effects whatsoever? [QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26738497]What, I never even implied that you said any of those things. And I plainly meant you're shit posting, there's a number of other people who quite clearly think you're annoying. [img_thumb]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs224.ash2/49031_1015225756_2122553_n.jpg[/img_thumb] Ah, now I see why you're mad.[/QUOTE] Wow, you're an enormous jackass.
[QUOTE=Buttersscotch;26738596]Holy Jeebus, this cat can't be for real.[/QUOTE] If you're going to say something like that then you need to explain why my argument doesn't make sense. I'm completely open to being shown wrong. Just disagreeing with what I'm saying doesn't mean anything unless you can determine why I am wrong.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;26734865]All drugs should be legal and regulated, making them illegal only creates bigger problems than it solves. Portugal recently de-criminalized use of all drugs and that turned out to be a great success. By legalizing and regulating we also kill organized criminal gangs by ruining their number 1 income.[/QUOTE] I have said that for over three years and you guys said I was insane. I'm not insane, dammit! :black101: I'm just like you, only, without your fancy storebought underwear! :argh:
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