• "Make drugs legally available", says Ex-Minister Bob Ainsworth
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[QUOTE=bravehat;26738913]This thread, as seen from a birds eye view. [img_thumb]http://gmfranci.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/train-derail-31.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] It should be fine now, superdinoman got banned.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;26738128]Drugs negatively affect your state of mind.[/QUOTE] Fixed. [QUOTE=zombojoe;26738128]Drugs can negatively affect your state of mind.[/QUOTE] You're right zombo. They [highlight]can[/highlight] What you perceive as a negative drug effect on your mind could be something of great positive nature for another person. Drugs affect everyone differently, and to make restrictions based on how it affects 'some' people, is entirely biased. It's like Test Subject 1: "Hey I've got a shattered leg and I'm in extreme pain." Test Subject 2: "Well, some people abuse painkillers so I'm just going to hit you over the head with this instead." --- I know for fact that after wiping out on a bike and ending up in the hospitla with crippled bodyparts, painkillers and other various pain relief drugs can significantly improve your state of mind. Instead of being miserable about your body being totally fucked up, you can focus on the book in front of you..
Actually by definition drugs tend to effect people in a similar fashion, although of course there are people who have slightly altered genetics or biochemistry from the norm, or are plain just not in the best position to take drugs and that's what can cause the problems, then there's the preparation of the drug itself which is gonna cause problems usually.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26735551]Coke is not that addictive. Coke is bad, but not that bad. Crack is the one drug i'd worry about that situation happening with, no other drug is going to change things that much.[/QUOTE] I know it isn't, I've used it plenty of times myself. Just I fail to see how you'd convince a doctor to prescribe it to you, on medical grounds of course.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26739304]Actually by definition drugs tend to effect people in a similar fashion, although of course there are people who have slightly altered genetics or biochemistry from the norm, or are plain just not in the best position to take drugs and that's what can cause the problems, then there's the preparation of the drug itself which is gonna cause problems usually.[/QUOTE] Yes, but similarity can't be matched with a 'law' specific identity. Take PCP for example. It tranquilizes horses, it is hallucinogenic for humans, it is a recipe for a bloodbath for the right type of psycotic.
It makes sense why certain drugs were made illegal, coke being the main one. It was being put in a lot of food and drinks and at first everything was fine, but later it affected society in a very bad way because of addiction which lead to a ban. Part of the issue there was that people weren't aware that drinking Coca Cola was going to cause such an addiction and negative health issues. Coke used responsibly is of course not that dangerous, but when the public is not aware of potential dangers of the product and to not do too much, then it becomes an issue. Of course after the coke ban the soda companies switched to the next closest thing: caffeine. I wouldn't have an issue if Coca Cola was again laced with coke if it was printed that it contained coke and that there was some precautionary information available. It's like with alcohol or cigs, the people that do them are made aware of the dangers by the warnings they know that it is safe if done responsibly and in moderation. Most people don't become alcoholics because they know that there is a danger of becoming addicted.
So as opposed to keeping it legal and regulated and letting the public grow up and adjust and be educated, the government acted like the over coddling mother and shielded it from coke. What a fucking waste, cause it didn't work.
The government don't seem realise how much money they could make out of taxing weed if it was legalised behind the counter. I want to go to Holland.
All drugs and the rationale behind using them disgust me. Nevertheless, legalize them.
This is too funny to read.Some Facepunchers have no idea of the effects of certain drugs on the mind. Legalize some drugs, not all. Too many angsty teens wanting to legalize meth. Ahahaha...no.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;26740949]This is too funny to read.Some Facepunchers have no idea of the effects of certain drugs on the mind. Legalize some drugs, not all. Too many angsty teens wanting to legalize meth. Ahahaha...no.[/QUOTE] As I said, legalise weed for reasons previously stated, legalise other things for medical reasons if they will help, of course under prescription and controlled.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;26740949]This is too funny to read.Some Facepunchers have no idea of the effects of certain drugs on the mind. Legalize some drugs, not all. Too many angsty teens wanting to legalize meth. Ahahaha...no.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter about the effects you fucking moron, it doesn't matter if it causes your bladder to implode and for you to piss blood for the rest of your days, it doesn't matter if it dissolves your bones and shreds your lungs. If people wanna fucking take the drug then god fucking damn you're not gonna have a fucking word in their personal affairs!
[QUOTE=bravehat;26741071]It doesn't matter about the effects you fucking moron, it doesn't matter if it causes your bladder to implode and for you to piss blood for the rest of your days, it doesn't matter if it dissolves your bones and shreds your lungs. If people wanna fucking take the drug then god fucking damn you're not gonna have a fucking word in their personal affairs![/QUOTE] You're forgetting the fact that taking hard drugs doesn't affect only the user most of the time. Meth users vary from the idiot gangster down the street to the hard working dad going through depression. Family members are usually hit hard by a loved one falling into addiction.
On one side crime would go down On the other side a lot of people are really stupid and would probably go to school/work/drive as high as a kite, and it'd be really easy to get your hands on it.
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;26741163]You're forgetting the fact that taking hard drugs doesn't affect only the user most of the time. Meth users vary from the idiot gangster down the street to the hard working dad going through depression. Family members are usually hit hard by a loved one falling into addiction.[/QUOTE] I'm sure people who do use it are educated with the facts, if they're not then in a way they deserve it. No ones asking you to take meth, and you won't stop anyone either.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;26741193]On one side crime would go down On the other side a lot of people are really stupid and would probably go to school/work/drive as high as a kite, and it'd be really easy to get your hands on it.[/QUOTE] Hey, just like alcohol
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;26741163]You're forgetting the fact that taking hard drugs doesn't affect only the user most of the time. Meth users vary from the idiot gangster down the street to the hard working dad going through depression. Family members are usually hit hard by a loved one falling into addiction.[/QUOTE] Then you offer help for addiction. And by the way, alcohol withdrawal is easily amongst the worst, it kills people, where as a lot of other withdrawals are nasty but won't kill.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26741248]I'm sure people who do use it are educated with the facts, if they're not then in a way they deserve it. No ones asking you to take meth, and you won't stop anyone either.[/QUOTE] If they don't know about the long term affects of meth they deserve to have their lives destroyed as well as their loved ones? Don't be silly. Most people know the effects of meth, but depression is too great to ignore a possible escape. That is one of the main reasons for meth usage in America. And getting a hold of meth is actually rather hard to do in most areas. It isn't weed.
I never said it was?
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;26741193]On the other side a lot of people are really stupid and would probably go to school/work/drive as high as a kite, and it'd be really easy to get your hands on it.[/QUOTE] How often does that happen with alcohol? I could see it more with stimulants, especially considering caffeine is used a lot at work. Maybe smaller amounts of coke or amphetamines. The thing is that if it negatively impacts their performance they are likely to be fired. Even past that, most workplaces prohibit being under the influence while on the job, so if they do enough to cause suspicion, the company can do a drug test and fire and when confirmed.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26741303]Then you offer help for addiction. And by the way, alcohol withdrawal is easily amongst the worst, it kills people, where as a lot of other withdrawals are nasty but won't kill.[/QUOTE] Dude, there's already help for addiction. It's the fact that meth users don't WANT to get help. It's called addiction for a reason. You want more of it because it makes you happy. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26741381]I never said it was?[/QUOTE] You said it won't stop anyone from obtaining meth. Some people think acquiring drugs is as easy as walking to the local grocery store.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;26741262]Hey, just like alcohol[/QUOTE] Alcohol does more damage then most drugs and it's still legal. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Pepin;26741396]How often does that happen with alcohol? I could see it more with stimulants, especially considering caffeine is used a lot at work. Maybe smaller amounts of coke or amphetamines. The thing is that if it negatively impacts their performance they are likely to be fired. Even past that, most workplaces prohibit being under the influence while on the job, so if they do enough to cause suspicion, the company can do a drug test and fire and when confirmed.[/QUOTE] It happens a lot, and I'm just saying it could be equally as often with drugs.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;26741471]Alcohol does more damage then most drugs and it's still legal. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] The difference is that alcohol addiction takes longer to take effect. The withdrawal symptoms are also nowhere near as potent. It happens a lot, and I'm just saying it could be equally as often with drugs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;26741406]Dude, there's already help for addiction. It's the fact that meth users don't WANT to get help. It's called addiction for a reason. You want more of it because it makes you happy. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] You said it won't stop anyone from obtaining meth. Some people think acquiring drugs is as easy as walking to the local grocery store.[/QUOTE] Yeah but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Can we not fight? We're both tigers :frown:
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;26741544]Yeah but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Can we not fight? We're both tigers :frown:[/QUOTE] It all calms down to the fact that a person's rights end where another's rights begin. The meth user isn't the only one affected. I gotta go work so I'm off anyway.
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[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;26741361]If they don't know about the long term affects of meth they deserve to have their lives destroyed as well as their loved ones? Don't be silly. Most people know the effects of meth, but depression is too great to ignore a possible escape. That is one of the main reasons for meth usage in America. And getting a hold of meth is actually rather hard to do in most areas. It isn't weed.[/QUOTE] So your argument is that legalizing meth and making it available for purchase will increase the consumption because most people who want to use it can't find it and that when they when they become addicted they aren't going to go for help because that's what of their depression?
[QUOTE=superdinoman;26736268]For a lot of people here saying drugs are perfectly safe etc Warning you now its not pretty [media]http://www.zilefile.com/files/4154_bhhg5/lulz%20face.jpg[/media][/QUOTE] i did that last time i was on a dissociative GREAT FUN
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