• Feminist conference says clapping ‘triggers anxiety,’ asks attendees to use ‘jazz hands’ instead
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[QUOTE=OvB;47393457]People who trivialize actual triggers by making up stupid shit like this are disgusting. This whole tumblr feminism thing bastardizes and undermines actual feminism. I can't wait until the day it goes away.[/QUOTE] It seems to me that basically these are middle-to-upper-class white people who have never been seriously challenged in their beliefs, having been coddled and acquiesced to, suddenly running head-first into strong ideological opposition and being unable to handle it. They're not really emulating or claiming PTSD so much as appropriating the idea of a 'trigger' for basically nothing more than cognitive dissonance. They don't like the feeling of having their beliefs challenged with something they find uncomfortable, so they call that provocation a 'trigger' and retreat to their safe space. They're trivializing the suffering of people with actual honest-to-god PTSD by deliberately using similar language to describe the simple state of getting upset because someone thinks they're wrong. It's not really surprising to me that most of the people who perpetuate this bullshit are college students- they're sheltered young people thrust into an environment where not everyone thinks the same way as they do, and they can't handle it. I'm not sure if it will go away, but maybe it can at least change to be a little less insulting to people who actually suffer triggers for actual trauma.
[QUOTE=OvB;47393457]People who trivialize actual triggers by making up stupid shit like this are disgusting. This whole tumblr feminism thing bastardizes and undermines actual feminism. I can't wait until the day it goes away.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;47393530]The amount of damage the type of idiots who use tumblr have done is ridiculous, they've turned feminism into a big joke to a lot of people.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's fair to judge something as broad as feminism based on a handful of whacky tumblr blogs. Those people are only half the problem.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47393604]It seems to me that basically these are middle-to-upper-class white people who have never been seriously challenged in their beliefs, having been coddled and acquiesced to, suddenly running head-first into strong ideological opposition and being unable to handle it. They're not really emulating or claiming PTSD so much as appropriating the idea of a 'trigger' for basically nothing more than cognitive dissonance. They don't like the feeling of having their beliefs challenged with something they find uncomfortable, so they call that provocation a 'trigger' and retreat to their safe space. They're trivializing the suffering of people with actual honest-to-god PTSD by deliberately using similar language to describe the simple state of getting upset because someone thinks they're wrong. It's not really surprising to me that most of the people who perpetuate this bullshit are college students- they're sheltered young people thrust into an environment where not everyone thinks the same way as they do, and they can't handle it. I'm not sure if it will go away, but maybe it can at least change to be a little less insulting to people who actually suffer triggers for actual trauma.[/QUOTE] It's a fad. Of course it'll go away, question is - when, and what kind of damage will it manage to do to higher education before disappearing. Because everything that I hear about universities and colleges in the West seems to indicate that this fad does indeed do damage, little by little. To me it seems like it slowly diminishes the atmosphere that existed around higher education for centuries, atmosphere of exploration and flow of knowledge and ideas, creating 'safe spaces' instead. It might easily be that I'm perceiving an overblown picture (and it most likely is), but, based on my country's history, higher education is not something to be tampered with - large numbers of enthusiastic (by nature) young people have to be free of any form of dominant ideology.
Everyone should fart instead
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;47392512][IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-golfclap.gif[/IMG] Maybe golf clapping would be more acceptable instead of jazz hands.[/QUOTE] Not that either. Golf triggers my golf war flashbacks Back in the bunkers...
Btw, I think this is for the sake of people on the stage/who are speaking, not the audience
[QUOTE=Wii60;47393242]Note: this conference has a part where they claim gay men are taking black culture[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, this was floating around yesterday [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4Y9Y2W4AAs5z-.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;47393662]I don't think it's fair to judge something as broad as feminism based on a handful of whacky tumblr blogs. Those people are only half the problem.[/QUOTE] which is why they made a point to specify [I][B]tumblr[/B][/I] feminism. sadly a lot of people wont make the distinction between tumblr's retarded brand of extreme feminism and actual feminism, ergo the whole "feminism? that's just a bunch of ugly girls who hate men!" mentality.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;47393662]I don't think it's fair to judge something as broad as feminism based on a handful of whacky tumblr blogs. Those people are only half the problem.[/QUOTE] sure it isn't fair, but people will judge based on it anyways, and once that damage has been done it is difficult to repair.
[QUOTE=Pelican;47392552]friendly reminder that people here WILL defend this - I don't know how, but someone will find a way there'll be the usual suspects like starlight456 who dumb every post, but thats as much as I can predict[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dermock;47393200]starlight456 is such a tool. he still goes through my post history and dumbs everything now and then because i disagreed with his awful opinions lmao[/QUOTE] I don't even like the guy that much but Jesus Christ these posts are terrible It would be like me crying about how Facists rate all my posts dumb
tumblr was the worst thing that could've happened to feminism because it turned it into a joke to a lot of people, and even if they're straw feminists that doesn't change anything since a great majority of people don't actually care enough to look deeper into it and will only really know what they've seen or been shown. when a lot of that is "those crazy tumblrs" because no distinction has really been made between tumblr feminism and real honest-to-god feminism, you get a lot of people thinking the entire movement is like that.
[QUOTE=Laputa;47393793]Oh yeah, this was floating around yesterday [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4Y9Y2W4AAs5z-.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] This is probably one of the most retarded things I've read.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47393846]tumblr was the worst thing that could've happened to feminism because it turned it into a joke to a lot of people, and even if they're straw feminists that doesn't change anything since a great majority of people don't actually care enough to look deeper into it and will only really know what they've seen or been shown. when a lot of that is "those crazy tumblrs" because no distinction has really been made between tumblr feminism and real honest-to-god feminism, you get a lot of people thinking the entire movement is like that.[/QUOTE] can you even "save" people who think like this It's like assuming that DAESH represents the entirety of The followers of Islam
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47393870]can you even "save" people who think like this It's like assuming that DAESH represents the entirety of The followers of Islam[/QUOTE] you might not be able to save those who are already lost but you can save those who aren't as fargone.
[QUOTE=Laputa;47393793]Oh yeah, this was floating around yesterday [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4Y9Y2W4AAs5z-.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] My head hurts from reading this. Why are they acting like social dictators. "you can't act this way because this group of people acts this way and you are not a part of this group of people" What I take a way from this is that these people are just a group obsessed with dividing human beings into social groups and playing border police when people overstep those cultural boundaries. It's more of a social cancer than anything. And these people... They don't even realize that they are fighting for nothing. It's a sad waist of time.
[QUOTE=StoneRabbit;47393158]"Trigger" is slowly getting part of my most hated words list.[/QUOTE] It's a real shame that the word 'trigger' is being misused so much as to make people feel like this, since it's a legitimate thing. Tumblr feminists / SJW's / -insert title for being sheltered and extremely left here- use the word 'trigger' for "this makes me angry!" or "it made someone feel anxiety", when that's not what it is. The latter one is closer to the definition, but a trigger is specifically something for causing someone with PTSD to go through a nervous episode, have a flashback, [I]somehow[/I] revert to that state where they feel vulnerable. It's akin to using the word 'rifle' for slingshots and pistols. The latter is closer to being right, yes, but it's still wrong. As for the "stop appropriating black female culture!" thing: I love it when people claiming to be fighting racism use the argument of "white people should only do white people things, while black people should do black people things".
[QUOTE=karimatrix;47392575]How about you are not going to attend to event, if you are triggered by very basic gesture that is common wiht such events. I think there must be somekind of universal world etiquete that draws the line between "your demands from society can be respected" and "man a fuck up you awkward pussy", cause people novadays exploiting this for political agenda without taking a break.[/QUOTE] man, I think it's stupid too but you worded this in the most assholish way possible
@OP Title This is fucking pussyiest shit ever lol
[QUOTE=Laputa;47393793]Oh yeah, this was floating around yesterday [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4Y9Y2W4AAs5z-.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] The fact that the National Union of Students are racially profiling people should raise alarm bells.
Student unions are terrible everywhere. Anyone surprised?
Clapping our hands to express immense entertainment is a grand tradition of humanity that has stemmed centuries. If not, thousands of years. I'll be damned if I see it banned... [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applause#History[/url]
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47394314]Clapping our hands to express immense entertainment is a grand tradition of humanity that has stemmed centuries. If not, thousands of years. I'll be damned if I see it banned... [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applause#History[/url][/QUOTE] Awesome, because it's not being "banned". One conference has asked people who are voluntarily attending "hey, let's try not clapping?", there is no push to get every gathering of people ever to do this. It's one single conference in a collection of conferences by a bunch of pseudo-politicians doing Humanities degrees (I really can't think of any STEM people in the UEA SU, no doubt the NUS is the same).
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;47393323]Give her the knife-hand instead. [img]http://battlerattle.marinecorpstimes.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2012/10/120809-N-CD297-0291.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Oh my fucking god dude give me a trigger warning next time. I was at boot camp just a year ago that picture made me hit the deck dude.
If this kind of thinking ever comes to the Netherlands, the mockery will be so bad the people would wish they were clapping instead.
[QUOTE=StoneRabbit;47393158]"Trigger" is slowly getting part of my most hated words list.[/QUOTE] Are you triggered by it?
The stuff NUS pulls off can be an annoyance, even if I feel that this has been exaggerated by negative commentary. Some of the women there do have the possibility of being autistic delegates (and thus oversensitive to stimuli), or survivors of trauma (and thus actual triggers) - Tumblr Feminism really does discredit those who have actually been affected, or the idea of 'jazz hands'. On the other hand, 'Jazz Hands' is technically a legitimate form of Applause in British and American Sign Language - at anything, encouraging the use of that at conferences stops distractions from sound, and still gets the point across of applause/cheers. [video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV6k9PjnzyQ][/video] Not sure if I'm making sense or not, but I kind of actually support the use of jazz hands, just purely on making more accessible conferences possible? (Does anyone also know how to embed YouTube links? Been away for a long time! )
I can understand this being in place at AutismCon which I attended with some students a while back but not at this unless the NUS is largely composed of people with autism and prone to sensory overload
[QUOTE=Alex Rider;47394645]The stuff NUS pulls off can be an annoyance, even if I feel that this has been exaggerated by negative commentary. Some of the women there do have the possibility of being autistic delegates (and thus oversensitive to stimuli), or survivors of trauma (and thus actual triggers) - Tumblr Feminism really does discredit those who have actually been affected, or the idea of 'jazz hands'. [/QUOTE] I got a hilarious mental image of some stereotypical Tumblr feminist becoming an autism advocate and having to work with all the neckbeard gamers with aspergers.
As an American, being asked to do anything but clap is offensive. It's just in my blood.
Also best of luck making your evil villain entrances without clapping your hands, you'll just look ridiculous entering a room doing jazz hands.
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