• Feminist conference says clapping ‘triggers anxiety,’ asks attendees to use ‘jazz hands’ instead
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[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;47392631]Soon these extreme feminists are gonna get triggered by the very prescence of people...[/QUOTE] Soon? If you go deep enough on Tumblr, you'll find those people already exist :v:
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47394351]Awesome, because it's not being "banned". One conference has asked people who are voluntarily attending "hey, let's try not clapping?", there is no push to get every gathering of people ever to do this. It's one single conference in a collection of conferences by a bunch of pseudo-politicians doing Humanities degrees (I really can't think of any STEM people in the UEA SU, no doubt the NUS is the same).[/QUOTE] I believe the disconnect between the two sides of the debate here is as follows: One faction sees this as an isolated event in which a single action wasn't prohibited, but frowned upon. The other faction sees this as an event that represents a larger growing trend of social justice and/or feminism. They believe that making the request itself suggests this movement frowns upon clapping in general and that they somehow now discourage clapping everywhere. Basically one group is viewing only the action, and the other is inferring what they believe it to mean. This is why both sides of this debate seem to have trouble finding common ground.
My father was murdered by a jazz saxophonist- triggered.
[QUOTE=Skyward;47394853]My father was murdered by a jazz saxophonist- triggered.[/QUOTE] One day the Sax Murderer will be brought to justice.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;47393796]which is why they made a point to specify [I][B]tumblr[/B][/I] feminism. sadly a lot of people wont make the distinction between tumblr's retarded brand of extreme feminism and actual feminism, ergo the whole "feminism? that's just a bunch of ugly girls who hate men!" mentality.[/QUOTE] Timebomb's very right. Feminism is an incredibly important movement, but disillusionized people are highjacking the basic ideals and kicking it up a few notches into the extreme, influencing impressionable teenagers into this more extreme variety, which actually ends up hurting feminism as a whole. Logical thought, fact-checking, and respect for other humans that may not even be aware of your ideals become OPTIONAL. My worry is that this will become the next generation of feminism, which will completely ruin any good feminist progression. Tumblr became their home simply because it was a very left wing, artist's site, which these people already are.
We use this during official college assembly to prevent intimidation when someone speaks at the microphone and keep things respectful.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47394692]I got a hilarious mental image of some stereotypical Tumblr feminist becoming an autism advocate and having to work with all the neckbeard gamers with aspergers.[/QUOTE]Pitch it to a TV network as a new sitcom idea, and proceed to rake in billions.
[QUOTE=GunFox;47394788]I believe the disconnect between the two sides of the debate here is as follows: One faction sees this as an isolated event in which a single action wasn't prohibited, but frowned upon. The other faction sees this as an event that represents a larger growing trend of social justice and/or feminism. They believe that making the request itself suggests this movement frowns upon clapping in general and that they somehow now discourage clapping everywhere. Basically one group is viewing only the action, and the other is inferring what they believe it to mean. This is why both sides of this debate seem to have trouble finding common ground.[/QUOTE] I just don't understand how some people manage to stand up if literally everything is a slippery slope. There's probably a million people in the world clapping [i]right now[/i]. There's absolutely no evidence of this being a trend but of course people with an anti-feminist agenda are going to talk about this as though feminists are trying to ban clapping worldwide.
[QUOTE=Feuver;47394998]We use this during official college assembly to prevent intimidation when someone speaks at the microphone and keep things respectful.[/QUOTE] Isn't clapping a sign of respect? Or are you guys afraid that it's gonna turn into the State of the Union address?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUnSGRosNBQ[/media] wait, is the hole congratulations speech ironic in this context? I know it's funny.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;47395001]Pitch it to a TV network as a new sitcom idea, and proceed to rake in billions.[/QUOTE] It's like the ultimate poetic justice because thier crippling lack of social skills makes them just about less privileged than anyone.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47395046]I just don't understand how some people manage to stand up if literally everything is a slippery slope. There's probably a million people in the world clapping [i]right now[/i]. There's absolutely no evidence of this being a trend but of course people with an anti-feminist agenda are going to talk about this as though feminists are trying to ban clapping worldwide.[/QUOTE] Well I think one of the reasons people are freaking out is due to the fact its the National Union of Students, an organization that works closely with the most of the colleges in the United Kingdom. Also the fact how they have been reacting on twitter (being very block happy to any discussion of this), as well as a few other things pointed out in the thread such as motion 512.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;47394631]Are you triggered by it?[/QUOTE] Triggering is a legitimate thing though, it's just moronic special snowflakes misusing the term.
Are "feminist jazz-hands" different to normal "jazz-hands"?
[QUOTE=Fangz;47395332]Well I think one of the reasons people are freaking out is due to the fact its the National Union of Students, an organization that works closely with the most of the colleges in the United Kingdom. Also the fact how they have been reacting on twitter (being very block happy to any discussion of this), as well as a few other things pointed out in the thread such as motion 512.[/QUOTE] But the NUS appear to have little actual impact on how the universities are run. The administration of the UEA keep having to deal with the SU here pushing for no exams ever, something the NUS push for regularly. They just laugh at them and tell them to hop along, it's not the place of the SU to direct the university, merely to provide support and services to the student body. The NUS should have little real impact on how the universities themselves run things. Societies and stuff at the university don't seem to listen to our governing SU, why the hell would they listen to the NUS? Our shops and things run by the SU on the other hand do work with the NUS sometimes, we've had a near blanket ban on Nestle products here since I arrived four years ago.
[QUOTE=OvB;47393457]People who trivialize actual triggers by making up stupid shit like this are disgusting. This whole tumblr feminism thing bastardizes and undermines actual feminism. I can't wait until the day it goes away.[/QUOTE] tumblr feminism is the main reason i will never associate myself with the term. i never want to be associated with such people but i want equality for all. thats why i claim the term egalitarian.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47395520]tumblr feminism is the main reason i will never associate myself with the term.[/QUOTE] Tumblr is a website that contains both feminists and anti-feminists across the entire spectrum of extremism. That's like saying "Alabama Christians are the reason I will never be a Christian". You're active in Gamergate, right? How do you reconcile this with the fact that an extremely loud minority of Gamergaters are frequently sending violent threats to opponents? How can you logically discount an entire movement due to an annoying minority while simultaneously ignoring the same problems in another movement?
Congratulations, you took advice from a Futurama episode. How this is happening, I genuinely don't get.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47395535]Tumblr is a website that contains both feminists and anti-feminists across the entire spectrum of extremism. That's like saying "Alabama Christians are the reason I will never be a Christian". You're active in Gamergate, right? How do you reconcile this with the fact that an extremely loud minority of Gamergaters are frequently sending violent threats to opponents? How can you logically discount an entire movement due to an annoying minority while simultaneously ignoring the same problems in another movement?[/QUOTE] gamergate tracks down people who make threats and gets rid of them immediately or finds out that the person thats getting threatened is the one who is doing it in the first place. tumblr feminism not only doesn't prevent harrassment, but encourages it (see the bunch of examples of sites on tumblr that doxx people who disagree) AND they have managed to change/censor things to fit their ideals. by the way im not really in the mood to get into a SH debate right now so if you respond i may or may not respond back so, just a fyi (not trying to back out of a argument, just not in the frame of mind to argue :v: )
[QUOTE=DuCT;47395051]Isn't clapping a sign of respect? Or are you guys afraid that it's gonna turn into the State of the Union address?[/QUOTE] When 600 people (17-22 yo) clap (yell, shout, whistle) over a very controversial decision (Like going or not on a strike), the student council believes it could influence and intimidate those who have an opposite opinion. Heated debate can happen, and they have degenerated in the past, to one point where one of my friend actually did an anxiety attack as people got up suddenly to lash out against a decision.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47395449]But the NUS appear to have little actual impact on how the universities are run. The administration of the UEA keep having to deal with the SU here pushing for no exams ever, something the NUS push for regularly. They just laugh at them and tell them to hop along, it's not the place of the SU to direct the university, [B]merely to provide support and services to the student body.[/B][/QUOTE] Hence why people are concerned. Students can be impressionable, and it might steer a bunch of students into the extremist views, such as motion 512, they are preaching.
I can understand why people do this instead of clapping and cheering at things like the paralympics with deaf athletes, but to disallow clapping in case you... traumatize? someone by clapping is a little silly.
[QUOTE=Fangz;47395716]Hence why people are concerned. Students can be impressionable, and it might steer a bunch of students into the extremist views, such as motion 512, they are preaching.[/QUOTE] I honestly can't think of a single person who even acknowledges the NUS. They really aren't a threat. Most people only really know them because we can get a sweet card for discounts from them. They bring up silly things like this all the time, and nobody would even give them the time of day let alone listen to them waffle on about it for hours on end. You're really, really overestimating the impact these guys have on the views of the student body of the UK.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47395520]tumblr feminism is the main reason i will never associate myself with the term. i never want to be associated with such people but i want equality for all. thats why i claim the term egalitarian.[/QUOTE] lmao dude if tumblr is really that much of a problem for you to the point where you can't consider yourself a feminist that's a problem on your part, not tumblr. you can be an egalitarian, sure, but to use that as a substitute for feminism because you're afraid of the word, well, that's just insulting.
Jazz hands trigger me.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47395629]gamergate tracks down people who make threats and gets rid of them immediately or finds out that the person thats getting threatened is the one who is doing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] Every movement has people who say this, and it's even true for the most part. But you can't make undesirable elements go away entirely. [QUOTE=Wii60;47395629]tumblr feminism not only doesn't prevent harrassment, but encourages it (see the bunch of examples of sites on tumblr that doxx people who disagree) AND they have managed to change/censor things to fit their ideals.[/quote] Why do you consider Tumblr to be the "main hub" of feminism? Who cares what happens on Tumblr? That's like me saying that 8chan represents all of GG. (A website that has an entire section dedicated to encouraging threats and doxxing)
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47396341]Every movement has people who say this, and it's even true for the most part. But you can't make undesirable elements go away entirely. Why do you consider Tumblr to be the "main hub" of feminism? Who cares what happens on Tumblr? That's like me saying that 8chan represents all of GG. (A website that has an entire section dedicated to encouraging threats and doxxing)[/QUOTE] Whether you care to admit or not, there are many feminist on tumblr and they are the most vocal members. They also have some power on the internet due to their sheer community size, which has resulted in many dramas, censorships and so on. Finally you have the National Organization for Women which while being quite criticized, shares many of the opinions commonly posted by tumblr users, so it's not like they are a minority. They actually represent the majority of feminist nowadays.
[QUOTE=bunguer;47396382]Whether you care to admit or not, there are many feminist on tumblr and they are the most vocal members. They also have some power on the internet due to their sheer community size, which has resulted in many dramas, censorships and so on. Finally you have the National Organization for Women which while being quite criticized, shares many of the opinions commonly posted by tumblr users, so it's not like they are a minority. They actually represent the majority of feminist nowadays.[/QUOTE] What are some of the criticisms levied against NOW? What I can find on Wikipedia is just complaints that other feminists have. And I don't think feminists are the most vocal users of Tumblr. If you go by volume alone you'll find that most of what goes on on Tumblr is porn and art. And shitty memes recycled dozens of times from other sites.
I definitely consider myself a feminist, but...if you go into a full-blown anxiety attack at the sound of [I]human applause[/I], you need to be seeking serious professional help. Some people have problems serious enough that they need to seek help to be able to function in society, and it is really not reasonable to expect all of society to accommodate those problems.
[video=youtube;z3MY3016FAk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3MY3016FAk[/video]
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