• Feminist conference says clapping ‘triggers anxiety,’ asks attendees to use ‘jazz hands’ instead
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47396431]I definitely consider myself a feminist, but...if you go into a full-blown anxiety attack at the sound of [I]human applause[/I], you need to be seeking serious professional help. Some people have problems serious enough that they need to seek help to be able to function in society, and it is really not reasonable to expect all of society to accommodate those problems.[/QUOTE] It's fine to ask people not to clap but they shouldn't be surprised when people still clap. I definitely understand that loud noises could set off someone's anxiety but if that's the case they should probably just watch a video feed of the event.
What the fuck is jazz hands? I been trying to Google this and all I get are jazz songs and dances
Jazz hands is extremely ableist to people who don't have hands. I was going to suggest just saying "good speech, good speech" but that would be ableist to people who are mutes/can't speak english. So, I propose everyone just sits in awkward silence.
[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;47396468]What the fuck is jazz hands? I been trying to Google this and all I get are jazz songs and dances[/QUOTE] you wave your hands around in the air so that your pointer finger traces the sheet music notation of the melody of the jazz song you're listening to it's all the rage
This shouldn't be a thing. Those kind of people should cease to exist immediately.
I get that they're trying to be nice to deaf people or whatever, but doesn't this completely fuck over the blind? I mean if you're deaf at least you can see people making a clapping motion... It's not exactly subtle. But a blind person has no chance of noticing jazz hands.
I refuse to believe this isn't a parody
[QUOTE=Zet;47396492]Jazz hands is extremely ableist to people who don't have hands. I was going to suggest just saying "good speech, good speech" but that would be ableist to people who are mutes/can't speak english. So, I propose everyone just sits in awkward silence.[/QUOTE] They could install these [img]http://i.imgur.com/ccPNlnG.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;47396468]What the fuck is jazz hands? I been trying to Google this and all I get are jazz songs and dances[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/4818d9499316915bb8d6f9a9a529e072/tumblr_mkfqev3bHT1r3yxp8o1_500.gif[/IMG] Seriously guys how did we get to four pages without somebody posting this?
[QUOTE=Laputa;47393793]Oh yeah, this was floating around yesterday [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4Y9Y2W4AAs5z-.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] "stealing a culture" I can't even these people need to get fucking laid
People need to stop doing stuff like this. It's really hurting feminist causes.
Love all the people trying to claim what triggers can and can't be. You don't know shit about what other people might have gone through and what triggers them. Next you'll be saying it's alright to nazi salute because you don't care about the holocaust and it doesn't affect you.
[QUOTE=heyeyeyey;47397075]Love all the people trying to claim what triggers can and can't be. You don't know shit about what other people might have gone through and what triggers them. Next you'll be saying it's alright to nazi salute because you don't care about the holocaust and it doesn't affect you.[/QUOTE] I maintain that this definitely [i]could[/i] be someone's trigger but working around it goes beyond any reasonable expectation for a room full of people
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;47392875]Why would someone who knows that clapping affects them like that consider going to an event wherein there'll be a lot of people clapping?[/QUOTE] So now they can't go to events because people can't shut the fuck up and listen without making stupid noises?
[QUOTE=Xubs;47397234]it's definitely a trigger, no doubt about it, I just think there comes a line where, [I]yes[/I], it is your own initiative to deal with your own problems. I don't think it's completely out of line to say there's an upper limit of just how far organizations that cast a wide net can take stopping the many from hurting the few. At some point it just disadvantages everyone. We should, as a society, accommodate the disadvantaged as much as reasonably possible but it's possible to reach a line outside of reasonable when it comes to accommodation. I think this story is pretty close to hitting or surpassing that line, even if it is a small and ultimately not noteworthy conference and clapping really isn't that big of a deal. I just don't think the amount of people who are [I]honestly[/I] triggered by clapping is such a wide epidemic even at this conference that it really needs to be enacted as a rule to stop people from doing it, meanwhile I think if you do have these anxiety problems at [U]sooooome[/U] point you have to take care of yourself and just avoid certain activities. It sucks, it's very unfortunate, and I sympathize with people who have to exclude themselves from activities to help themselves, but sometimes that's just how things have to be so the majority can enjoy ourselves. I don't think it's very unreasonable to suggest that this is the case, and it's generally how I feel about topics like this.[/QUOTE] I think a reasonable way to accommodate this would simply be to let anyone affected "attend" via Google Hangouts or something.
[QUOTE=Zet;47396492]Jazz hands is extremely ableist to people who don't have hands. I was going to suggest just saying "good speech, good speech" but that would be ableist to people who are mutes/can't speak english. So, I propose everyone just sits in awkward silence.[/QUOTE] that's ableist to people with tourettes I demand every speech be applauded with profanity
[QUOTE=catbarf;47392660]I'll defend it, because it's their conference and they can make whatever requests they want for their voluntarily attendees, they're not forcing it on anyone else, so who cares? It's not like they're demanding that society cease clapping immediately to cater to some minority of people that has PTSD-related anxiety from the sound of clapping, they're just making event policies that specifically cater to their attendees. If they want to ban speaking above a whisper because talking is triggering or something, good for them, I'm not going to their conference, I could not possibly care less. At my college we regularly did the jazz hands instead of clapping because we had a large population of deaf students and jazz hands is the deaf substitute for clapping. It's just a gesture to express reaction, it's readily interchangeable. So what?[/QUOTE] Okay lemme vent about jazz hands instead of clapping because deaf people. This is some of the most retarded shit ever. My lil brother is deaf as fuck (60% left 80% right) and even when he's with his friends who are also mostly deaf they'll just clap. You know why? Because clapping is something that is not just audible but also visible. The idea that deaf people should use jazz hands is something that deaf people prefer is made by the same committees that change the fucking sign language every 2 weeks. Seriously that committee is a bunch of fuckwits. The language changes words every couple of weeks.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;47396540]I get that they're trying to be nice to deaf people or whatever, but doesn't this completely fuck over the blind? I mean if you're deaf at least you can see people making a clapping motion... It's not exactly subtle. But a blind person has no chance of noticing jazz hands.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zet;47396492]Jazz hands is extremely ableist to people who don't have hands. I was going to suggest just saying "good speech, good speech" but that would be ableist to people who are mutes/can't speak english. So, I propose everyone just sits in awkward silence.[/QUOTE] I actually had this conversation with someone I know who regularly attends NUS conferences, and it is one of the huge problems I feel within NUS is the enforcement of a specific method. Even though some of these quotes are made in jest, they raise the point that British Sign Language for Applause is not accessible to those with physical deformities. Likewise, it can be problematic for those who lack physical strength in their arms either as a result of disability, or in the cases of self harm, either lacking strength due to the injuries sustained, or an actual trigger of seeing said wounds would make the person unsafe. Jazz hands is one accessible way, but it does not cover all bases. There is not going to be one size fits all solution to making conferences accessible.
I want to go there just to clap.
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47397292]So now they can't go to events because people can't shut the fuck up and listen without making stupid noises?[/QUOTE] I didn't say they [I]couldn't[/I], I asked why they would.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47397162]but working around it goes beyond any reasonable expectation for a room full of people[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;47398907]I didn't say they [I]couldn't[/I], I asked why they would.[/QUOTE] Like I said before, I went to a school where any time a deaf student presented, we did the jazz hands applause instead of clapping. And it's really not a big deal. As far as altering your behavior to accommodate someone else goes, it's like the least intrusive, unreasonable thing you could ask of someone. Unless you really have some attachment to making noise by smacking your hands together, it really shouldn't make a difference how you're asked to applaud. I'm inclined to call it Tumblr bullshit, but if there are actually people who are legitimately triggered by clapping, what's wrong with respectfully asking attendees to do a different gesture (one with basis in an actual language, ASL, to boot) for the sake of including those people? Not being able to go to a conference because of a purely cultural gesture would be pretty shitty and I get their efforts to be accommodating. Why's it unreasonable?
I don't even understand how people can still take modern feminists seriously anymore. It's litteraly a bunch of hyper paranoid cunts trying to make everything politicaly correct for women.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47398999]Like I said before, I went to a school where any time a deaf student presented, we did the jazz hands applause instead of clapping. And it's really not a big deal. As far as altering your behavior to accommodate someone else goes, it's like the least intrusive, unreasonable thing you could ask of someone. Unless you really have some attachment to making noise by smacking your hands together, it really shouldn't make a difference how you're asked to applaud. I'm inclined to call it Tumblr bullshit, but if there are actually people who are legitimately triggered by clapping, what's wrong with respectfully asking attendees to do a different gesture (one with basis in an actual language, ASL, to boot) for the sake of including those people? Not being able to go to a conference because of a purely cultural gesture would be pretty shitty and I get their efforts to be accommodating. Why's it unreasonable?[/QUOTE] I didn't mean that it's an unreasonable request, just that it's unreasonable to expect hundreds of people to cooperate. There are always going to be people who aren't aware of the policy and other people like: [QUOTE=ijyt;47398668]I want to go there just to clap.[/QUOTE] who will just show up to be assholes and purposely ignore it. Schools can manage it because the audience is controlled and they can threaten everyone with punishments if they ignore it. A feminism conference full of adults doesn't really have any leverage over the attendees
Looks like [url=http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uk-students-union-passes-policy-stop-white-gay-men-acting-black-women250315]Motion 512 passed[/url], though I don't think they have any real power to enforce it.
[QUOTE=Fangz;47402230]Looks like [url=http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uk-students-union-passes-policy-stop-white-gay-men-acting-black-women250315]Motion 512 passed[/url], though I don't think they have any real power to enforce it.[/QUOTE] What power does this group honestly have haha They come at me I just be clappin
[QUOTE=Glitchman;47402410]What power does this group honestly have haha They come at me I just be clappin[/QUOTE] Well they obviously have the power to enforce whatever rules they want at their own conferences.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47402419]Well they obviously have the power to enforce whatever rules they want at their own conferences.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee283/horseyfeathers/auctionstencils/signgirlsonlyx.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Glitchman;47402430][img]http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee283/horseyfeathers/auctionstencils/signgirlsonlyx.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I support banning the stinky ones
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47402444]I support banning the stinky ones[/QUOTE] Most men carry the heavy odor of [I][B]oppression[/B][/I].
[QUOTE=Veteran;47400863]I don't even understand how people can still take modern feminists seriously anymore. It's litteraly a bunch of hyper paranoid cunts trying to make everything politicaly correct for women.[/QUOTE] The people you read about online are far from the only feminists around nowadays, they're just the only ones you pay attention to.
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