[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22967639][url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/14/kevorkian.gupta/index.html[/url]
doctor assisted suicide~[/QUOTE]
If the patient wanted to die what's the problem?
I wouldn't have regrets either.
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[QUOTE=CivilProtection;22972213]Do they give you any sort of psychoanalysis before they allow it? It's a bit worrying if someone can just go in, ask for suicide and have it happen within the week (in case they're acting on impulse). I doubt it's that simple though.[/QUOTE]
Nah what will happen is you need to be terminally ill with a minuscule chance of recovery, and then they may give you the euthanasia option and make it quick and painless.
Although I want to know what happens if they are an organ donor, like would the chemicals harm some of the vital organs to kill you or would they just stop your heart?
[QUOTE=Regulas021;22974659]People in a certain state of mind shouldn't be allowed to make the decision any more than they can in every other medical circumstance.
The obvious exception being that if they are terminal, in which case it should probably be their call (depending on family and what not).
The biggest complaint I heard was from some respected physician in New York, who argued that the violation of the Hyppocratic Oath was more severe then any broken law or mandate.[/QUOTE]
But of course you could argue that you're harming the patient by forcing them to keep living.
What bothers me is that most people I've spoken to about this (My R.E teacher, for example, who is generally quite a cool and reasonable guy) is that their arguement against assisted suicide/voluntary euthanasia is along the lines of;
"If I were in that position, I'd want to hold out and wait for a cure - you never know, there could be a cure they day after you're euthanased."
This obviously makes no sense, as that's their own personal thoughts, and doesn't mean anything with regards making it legal for other people to [b]choose for themselves.[/b]
I've never heard a rational arguement against voluntary euthanasia.
As sad as it would be to lose someone close to me because they wished to end their life, I fully support the choice. Kevorkian has my support.
Sounds like something out of a movie. Hope the guy gets through this alright though.
First I heard about him was from "You Don't Know Jack", great docu-drama, good man.
I still think helping someone kill themselves is a fucking stupid thing, but hey, if he doesn't have any regrets about it, i'm not one of the cowardly, selfish, assholes going to him asking to die
If I were doomed to die from a wasting illness, I would much rather have the option of going out on my own terms. Enjoying every moment to it's fullest while you're still able to, and then ending your life peacefully rather than forcing your family to watch you waste away for months, into a terrifying husk of the man you used to be, sounds like a noble way of dying. I've no issues with doctor-assisted suicide. Sometimes, the alternative is far worse.
If I were to die anyway I'd want, I would leave a mess to clean up
[QUOTE=raccoon2112;22981937]If I were to die anyway I'd want, I would leave a mess to clean up[/QUOTE]
Part of the problem of suicide on your own is that there are a lot of methods people use that are unreliable.
For example, jumping in front of a subway train is actually very survivable (67% survival rate), because the train is slowing down for the station. But the nasty thing is that the people who find you, who know that you intentionally did this to yourself, will keep you alive.
Even if your neck is broken, your face is horribly disfigured, and all your arms and legs are gone.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;22984425]Part of the problem of suicide on your own is that there are a lot of methods people use that are unreliable.
For example, jumping in front of a subway train is actually very survivable (67% survival rate), because the train is slowing down for the station. But the nasty thing is that the people who find you, who know that you intentionally did this to yourself, will keep you alive.
Even if your neck is broken, your face is horribly disfigured, and all your arms and legs are gone.[/QUOTE]
But I don't want to lose my arms, legs, face and neck. How would I give standing ovations or wear sunglasses or look to my left?
Edit: If I were in some kind of wierd "Saw" scenario where I had to remove two limbs as some sort of ironic punishment for not having any missing limbs, I'd choose to remove both legs below the knee. At least I could get prosthetic pogo-legs after. Imagine how far I could jump.
[quote]He wants to tell mankind about "impending doom." He worries that our culture of overabundance will soon lead to the extinction of the human race. "I am not going to be too popular for that one."[/quote]
This guy. I like this guy.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;22984425]Part of the problem of suicide on your own is that there are a lot of methods people use that are unreliable.
For example, jumping in front of a subway train is actually very survivable (67% survival rate), because the train is slowing down for the station. But the nasty thing is that the people who find you, who know that you intentionally did this to yourself, will keep you alive.
Even if your neck is broken, your face is horribly disfigured, and all your arms and legs are gone.[/QUOTE]
Jump infront of a freight or commuter train between the stations. Chances of you surviving a 500T train are very slim, actually it's pretty much a 0% at everything over 30mph.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;22990494]Jump infront of a freight or commuter train between the stations. Chances of you surviving a 500T train are very slim, actually it's pretty much a 0% at everything over 30mph.[/QUOTE]
Could just lay across the tracks. Doesn't really matter how slowly it's moving if its wheels crush your torso, squooshing everything out the top like a tube of toothpaste.
Weren't there even special clinics back in the old days where they'd help you commit suicide and you could like chose the music you wanted to die to?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;22990575]Could just lay across the tracks. Doesn't really matter how slowly it's moving if its wheels crush your torso, squooshing everything out the top like a tube of toothpaste.[/QUOTE]
The wheels would take care of you, everything else would be too high to do damage (till you get to the plows on the engineer cabs) unless you were pretty big. Plus, at 30mph and the engineer sees you lying in the tracks, they'll have a better chance to stop.
Then you get a big ol fat fine.
I wouldn't want to lay in a bed for six months in horrible patronizing pain. I wouldn't want to watch a nurse come in with an aura of not wanting to be there and tentatively drop me some pills that do not alleviate anything. I wouldn't want my family coming in and try to talk to me while I was in such pain since I know it would hurt them just as much. If my chances of survival are below 50%, I wouldn't even want to wait.
I agree with above post. It could also happen you're not in a good mental stbility at the moment and you feel like you want to die but the next day or later you don't.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;22990494]Jump infront of a freight or commuter train between the stations. Chances of you surviving a 500T train are very slim, actually it's pretty much a 0% at everything over 30mph.[/QUOTE]
The problem with that is that they often have cameras and stuff up to catch people loitering about suspiciously, and they will send a cop out to take you away.
Also, it can cause PTSD in the train driver- not many people take kindly to killing someone, even if they couldn't stop it.
[QUOTE=dvondrake;22990832]The problem with euthanasia is that nurses and doctors might "think" you wanted to die when you really didn't. If you legalize it then you'd start to find cases all over the place of patients who were euthanized with forged permission just to save a couple bucks. What if you're completely paralyzed, still wish to be alive because you think you can make it out, but don't have any means to say "no, I don't want to be euthanized" but you are anyway. The mental anguish would be unbearable. I think that's part of the reason why it's illegal today--to give people the benefit of the doubt. My dad had a kidney stone a while back and he once said "just kill me now" as he was in a lot of pain at the time, although he made it out just fine. If euthanasia is to be legalized, will you take those kinds of comments seriously? I'd like the right to die when I so choose, but sometimes we say things we don't really mean and not every doctor is in it to be a humanitarian. Most are just in it for the money.[/QUOTE]
That's ultimitley not how it would work at all. You'd have to be 1) Terminal 2) an in incredible amount of pain and 3) You'd probably have to run a small psych test with the doctor to make sure this is what you wanted. There'd be no other way, and no other reason.
It doesn't matter if what he did was wrong or not. At time time the law was against it, and nobody is above the law.
[QUOTE=Tugger;22999287]It doesn't matter if what he did was wrong or not. At time time the law was against it, and nobody is above the law.[/QUOTE]
Well, it doesn't matter in a court of law, but we can debate whether what he did was morally right or not.
This whole affair's a real killer to his career
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