Havard Study Confirms Flouride (commonly added to tap water) Reduces Child IQ - Polidicks

My town has unfluoridated water, so I take fluoride pills.

Reminds me when the elementary school system made me take fluoride even though my mother had signed a form that strictly said "DO NOT give my child fluoride".

I get all of my water from my own well. I guess I must be a genius then.

I thought OP added that infographic as a joke, but Huffington Post? Seriously bad yellow journalism there. Look at the sources! They're anti-fluoride lobbies, not scientists.

Hmm interesting... They put like ton of that stuff in my town tap water. It probably has the most flouride in the whole Finland. And yet i have drank it my whole life.

[QUOTE=tharmas;39460562]They are poisoning our PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zjfyqbPO1rawb5do1_500.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39460279]Fucking hell society is stupid. Flouride has been in the water for decades, if it caused any serious issues it wouldn't be used anymore[/QUOTE] I don't know, kids these days are pretty dumb

Never drank tap water because it tastes like sewage, even as a kid. Guess I was lucky, if this turns out to have any credibility.

[QUOTE=acds;39460921]Never drank tap water because it tastes like sewage, even as a kid. Guess I was lucky, if this turns out to have any credibility.[/QUOTE]See Fetret's post. The science is solid, but the article twists the hell out of it to suit their own agenda.

I guess that explains the title.

[QUOTE=Karmah;39460874]I don't know, kids these days are pretty dumb[/QUOTE] Oh yes, kids these days with their YOLO and swag, hmph. Back in MY day, children never did anything reckless and were all great contributors to society

I've always drank well water, thinking about it now I guess that is why I think city water usually tastes strange and unlikable.

guys these comments are not sensationalist enough

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The condescending demeanor of most of these posts is mediocre, come on.

I remember I had this friend who started telling me that fluoride was put into the water by the illuminati to control out minds and he was dead serious. He went on about how the Nazis also used fluoride for mind control and stuff. This is also a guy who believe that the moon is hollow and lizard-men live inside it because they want to eat us or something.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39460279]IQ isn't even that important anyway. Or accurate. You can have an IQ of 155 and still be dumber than a bag of dicks.[/QUOTE] I'm glad I'm not the only one who understands this

I love the tap water in my area, shame my taps are old at the moment so you have to flush them out for a for minutes to get the proper taste. Also turns out my water isn't fluoridated, but has it naturally anyway. Probably because all the water locally gets drawn out from the aquifer below the South Downs.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39460279]So instead of blaming the real issue, which is a combination of terrible public education and a lack of discipline at home, we're instead blaming flouride in the water? Again? Fucking hell society is stupid. Flouride has been in the water for decades, if it caused any serious issues it wouldn't be used anymore. It didn't take us long at all to figure out that lead plumbing = lead poisoning, after all. IQ isn't even that important anyway. Or accurate. You can have an IQ of 155 and still be dumber than a bag of dicks.[/QUOTE] Flourine has been [B]proven[/B] to cause brain damage, increase risks for various forms of cancer, and cause dental fluorosis. Very few other countries in the world use Flourine as many have agreed it has minimal benefits when ingested yet massive cons. Did you pull that argument out of your ass or what? They're not blaming Flourine as causing America to be shitty, but its certainly one of the reasons. Please do some research before you rant about something you clearly don't understand and start a bandwagon of ignorance.

Why do people think ingesting a shitload of fluoride on a daily basis is a good thing... And how come everyone who thinks it's bad gets instantly labeled as a tinfoil hat wearing retard

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;39461673]Flourine has been [B]proven[/B] to cause brain damage, increase risks for various forms of cancer, and cause dental fluorosis. Very few other countries in the world use Flourine as many have agreed it has minimal benefits when ingested yet massive cons. Did you pull that argument out of your ass or what? They're not blaming Flourine as causing America to be shitty, but its certainly one of the reasons. Please do some research before you rant about something you clearly don't understand and start a bandwagon of ignorance.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Faz;39461711]Why do people think ingesting a shitload of fluoride on a daily basis is a good thing... And how come everyone who thinks it's bad gets instantly labeled as a tinfoil hat wearing retard[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Fetret;39460522]Huffington Post is so biased, it is not even funny anymore. What kind of an "infographic" is that if this is supposed to be a serious and impartial news outlet? I've read the article in question, and I highly doubt anyone with any proper scientific education did the same over at Huffington. Here is the link: [URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/[/URL] And now a few direct quotes from the paper: "A recent experimental study where the rat hippocampal neurons were [B]incubated[/B] with various concentrations [B](20 mg/L, 40 mg/L, and 80 mg/L) of sodium fluoride in vitro[/B] showed that fluoride neurotoxicity may target hippocampal neurons " "Opportunities for epidemiological studies depend on the existence of comparable population groups exposed to different levels of fluoride from drinking water. [B]Such circumstances are difficult to find in many industrialized countries, because fluoride concentrations in community water are usually no higher than 1 mg/L, even when fluoride is added to water supplies as a public health measure to reduce tooth decay.[/B] Multiple epidemiological studies of [B]developmental fluoride neurotoxicity were conducted in China because of the high fluoride concentrations that are substantially above 1 mg/L in well water in many rural communities[/B]" "Although acute fluoride poisoning may be neurotoxic to adults, most of the epidemiological information available on associations with children’s neurodevelopment is from China, [B]where fluoride generally occurs in drinking water as a natural contaminant, and the concentration depends on local geological conditions.[/B]" The most striking one, in my opinion: "To summarize the available literature, we performed a systematic review and meta-analysis of published studies on increased fluoride exposure in drinking water associated with neurodevelopmental delays. [B]We specifically targeted studies carried out in rural China that have not been widely disseminated[/B], thus complementing the studies that have been included in previous reviews and risk assessment reports." The paper basically looks at the neurodevelopmental delays that might be associated with high levels of fluoride exposure, with a specific focus on China where there are regions of significant fluoride levels in the water. This was not directed at water fluoridation campaigns, the whole article is mangled and sensationalised beyond belief. In a normal household fluoride poisoning from eating too much toothpaste is a more likely occurrence for fluoride poisoning ([URL]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1752-7325.1997.tb02966.x/abstract;jsessionid=4D72E912DC620359CF530D0424D77AF5.d01t02[/URL]).[/QUOTE]

And again people get their "facts" from a pretty infograph and a news article that distorted the information given like Fetret showed instead of checking the actual sources. I don't know why but I have a suspicion that a website called fluoridealert.org is pretty fucking biased, I don't think we should trust a news article that links biased sources but that's just me. I also don't think that mercola.com to be very trustworthy when this news article was written by the same guy that owns that website, chances are it's just to get more visits. This guy also made that infograph by the way.

After looking at fetret's post, this entire thing reeks of piss-poor journalism.

Eh, sodium fluoride isnt fluoride, was there some sort of justification for using a different compound in the tests?

there's a reason why toothpaste has a warning label on them, I don't get why putting sodium fluoride in the water is even a suggestion.

[QUOTE=Fetret;39460522]Huffington Post is so biased, it is not even funny anymore. What kind of an "infographic" is that if this is supposed to be a serious and impartial news outlet? I've read the article in question, and I highly doubt anyone with any proper scientific education did the same over at Huffington. Here is the link: [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/[/url] And now a few direct quotes from the paper: "A recent experimental study where the rat hippocampal neurons were [B]incubated[/B] with various concentrations [B](20 mg/L, 40 mg/L, and 80 mg/L) of sodium fluoride in vitro[/B] showed that fluoride neurotoxicity may target hippocampal neurons " "Opportunities for epidemiological studies depend on the existence of comparable population groups exposed to different levels of fluoride from drinking water. [B]Such circumstances are difficult to find in many industrialized countries, because fluoride concentrations in community water are usually no higher than 1 mg/L, even when fluoride is added to water supplies as a public health measure to reduce tooth decay.[/B] Multiple epidemiological studies of [B]developmental fluoride neurotoxicity were conducted in China because of the high fluoride concentrations that are substantially above 1 mg/L in well water in many rural communities[/B]" "Although acute fluoride poisoning may be neurotoxic to adults, most of the epidemiological information available on associations with children’s neurodevelopment is from China, [B]where fluoride generally occurs in drinking water as a natural contaminant, and the concentration depends on local geological conditions.[/B]" The most striking one, in my opinion: "To summarize the available literature, we performed a systematic review and meta-analysis of published studies on increased fluoride exposure in drinking water associated with neurodevelopmental delays. [B]We specifically targeted studies carried out in rural China that have not been widely disseminated[/B], thus complementing the studies that have been included in previous reviews and risk assessment reports." The paper basically looks at the neurodevelopmental delays that might be associated with high levels of fluoride exposure, with a specific focus on China where there are regions of significant fluoride levels in the water. This was not directed at water fluoridation campaigns, the whole article is mangled and sensationalised beyond belief. In a normal household fluoride poisoning from eating too much toothpaste is a more likely occurrence for fluoride poisoning ([url]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1752-7325.1997.tb02966.x/abstract;jsessionid=4D72E912DC620359CF530D0424D77AF5.d01t02[/url]).[/QUOTE] More quotes from the same paper. Keep in mind the first one fetret quoted is a paraphrase of another paper itself, this paper is referencing another and have their own tests, it's just a potential look at what it can do. "EPA recently announced that DHHS is [B]proposing to change the recommended level of fluoride in drinking water to 0.7 mg/L from the currently recommended range of 0.7–1.2 mg/[/B]L, and the U.S. EPA is reviewing the maximum amount of fluoride allowed in drinking water, [B]which currently is set at 4.0 mg/L[/B] (U.S. EPA 2011)." "The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was –0.45 (95% confidence interval: –0.56, –0.35) using a random-effects model. [B]Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas. [/B]Subgroup and sensitivity analyses also indicated inverse associations, although the substantial heterogeneity did not appear to decrease." In summary, while huffington did sensationalize the fuck out of it, their factual basis is correct. Their own conclusions based on that information arent. And no, facepunch, you dont get to brush it off because it's something often used as a component in the more silly NWO/Illuminati theories out there. Yay for having extra poison added in areas eh.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;39462350]More quotes from the same paper. Keep in mind the first one fetret quoted is a paraphrase of another paper itself, this paper is referencing another and have their own tests, it's just a potential look at what it can do. "EPA recently announced that DHHS is [B]proposing to change the recommended level of fluoride in drinking water to 0.7 mg/L from the currently recommended range of 0.7–1.2 mg/[/B]L, and the U.S. EPA is reviewing the maximum amount of fluoride allowed in drinking water, [B]which currently is set at 4.0 mg/L[/B] (U.S. EPA 2011)." "The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was –0.45 (95% confidence interval: –0.56, –0.35) using a random-effects model. [B]Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas. [/B]Subgroup and sensitivity analyses also indicated inverse associations, although the substantial heterogeneity did not appear to decrease." In summary, while huffington did sensationalize the fuck out of it, their factual basis is correct. Their own conclusions based on that information arent. And no, facepunch, you dont get to brush it off because it's something often used as a component in the more silly NWO/Illuminati theories out there. Yay for having extra poison added in areas eh.[/QUOTE] you're just a conspiracy theorist. now excuse me while i inject sodium fluoride

The idea of forcing flouride over an entire nation without knowing what it can do is fucking retarded. It's like putting mercury in tooth fillings which should be criminal.

Well now we know what it can do in 2-4 mg concentrations, and the EPA wants it to be at .7mg in our water. That's too close for comfort.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but I find it difficult to believe that the government cares enough about tooth decay to put flouride in our water specifically for that reason.