Washington Post rules out endorsing 'threat to democracy' Donald Trump in brutal full-page editorial - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Stroheim;50760717]I'm sorry, I didn't realize I posted on "The Clare People Rules Out Trump Endorsement in Brutal One Page Editorial".[/QUOTE] I'm from Galway but nice try, it seems you at-least know one thing about my country, cause you clearly don't know anything else. [quote]Do you prefer DUP supporter with a minor interest in American liberalism or Sinn Féin supporter with a minor interest in American liberalism?[/quote] First of all I don't live in Northern Ireland, so I can't exactly vote for the DUP. I don't support either actually and would be a Labour supporter. But its' nice to see you're implying I'm somehow sectarian or something - think I wouldn't pick up on the dog whistle? [quote]Because I want to know what you want to be called here. [/quote] I want to be called an Irish person and not called out on my nationality, ya cunt. EDIT: Oh, and you're not getting out of it 'oh I wanted to call you an Irish person all along!' You're very clearly trying to say my opinions don't matter because I'm Irish. Well, they do, so stop being the racist little dick you clearly are.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50760781]I'm from Galway but nice try, it seems you at-least know one thing about my country, cause you clearly don't know anything else. First of all I don't live in Northern Ireland, so I can't exactly vote for the DUP. I don't support either actually and would be a Labour supporter. But its' nice to see you're implying I'm somehow sectarian or something - think I wouldn't pick up on the dog whistle? I want to be called and Irish person and not called out on my nationality, ya cunt.[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry that I didn't know you wanted to be called a Irish person. But then I would have to call you by your nationality, and now we're stuck on the naming thing again. Lets go with Liberal instead. Why? Because it's broad enough for a whole lot of people, Irish people included, and helps to describe a LOT of people on this forum: Pro-democrat, very idealistic, wonderful people, and very protective of a negative use of said word and idea.

Well fuck. After reading all this, the articles linked in the article, etc, I feel like I'm gambling by voting this election. On one hand, I'm hoping that if Trump wins he gets cock blocked by everyone in the house and senate and possibly gets impeached over some dumb shit, or we somehow find a way to kick him out of office. I also have to hope he doesn't completely destroy foreign relations to bring us back to pre-Nixon times (in terms of China and Russia foreign relations which Nixon was influential with developing, but also civil rights, although with Muslims/Mexicans rather than black people. Other than Watergate Nixon was a pretty good president). I'm not hoping he gets assassinated obviously as wishing for someone to die is morbid, but there's the chance that he could get killed by some lunatic and that might potentially be less harmful to the nation, but as I said before I'm not hoping for that in anyway. The other hand if Hillary wins I gotta hope she doesn't do some corrupt bullshit that ends up trickling down and making my life miserable, convincing congressman to vote on laws that negatively affect my finances/job/housing/hobbies/insurance, and basically hope for "more of the same bullshit but not as bad." If I vote for a third party I'm 100% wasting my vote, which is a shitty thing to say but the reality of our voting system is that there will not be enough third party voters to secure the election, and most likely will sway the election in favor of an opposing party. I don't like Johnson's libertarianism, and Stein has some backwards ideas like her view on Nuclear power that make me reluctant to vote on her anyways. My top choice, Bernie, already pledged to support Hillary because he's not crazy enough to split the democrat's votes I mean he knows his history, he definitely didn't want to be a Van Buren and fuck over the Democrats by going third party. Guess the path of least-harm would be voting for Hilary, but even typing those words makes me wince. If I protest/not vote I'm making a decision via inaction, and in the grand scheme of things while every vote matters on the whole I'd need a lot more people to vote the same as me to make any influential change with third parties, so my choice is to either wash my hands of everything and pray tensions don't erupt or vote for a shithead or a slightly less shitty turd. Hope 2020 isn't as fucked as this year is.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50759037]TBH I think people are really overestimating Trumps ability to actually get all of his craziness through the system (he's going to have bipartisan resistance) and underestimating how dangerous Clinton is.[/QUOTE] Wrong. Trump is infinitely more dangerous than Clinton could ever be for a myriad of reasons that have already been discussed ad nauseam in this thread and others. But let's talk about one in particular. Having a man as bigoted as Trump become president would legitimize his views among thousands of Americans just waiting for an excuse. Think racial tensions are bad in your country? Oh, man, you haven't seen anything yet. Blood will flow like never before, each incident being used as justification for further violence and hatred by the other side. Many innocents will die. I grew up in the Middle East. I've seen the harm men like Trump can do. And if you'd vote for him gambling on the hope that Congress would stonewall him, you're worse than a fool. Oh, and at risk of invoking Godwin's law, do some reading on the particular tactics and rhetoric a certain diminutive Austrian man adopted in his rise to power in Germany in the mid 20th century. You'll find the parallels quite interesting.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50760802]Well fuck. After reading all this, the articles linked in the article, etc, I feel like I'm gambling by voting this election. On one hand, I'm hoping that if Trump wins he gets cock blocked by everyone in the house and senate and possibly gets impeached over some dumb shit, or we somehow find a way to kick him out of office. I also have to hope he doesn't completely destroy foreign relations to bring us back to pre-Nixon times (in terms of China and Russia foreign relations which Nixon was influential with developing, but also civil rights, although with Muslims/Mexicans rather than black people. Other than Watergate Nixon was a pretty good president). I'm not hoping he gets assassinated obviously as wishing for someone to die is morbid, but there's the chance that he could get killed by some lunatic and that might potentially be less harmful to the nation, but as I said before I'm not hoping for that in anyway. The other hand if Hillary wins I gotta hope she doesn't do some corrupt bullshit that ends up trickling down and making my life miserable, convincing congressman to vote on laws that negatively affect my finances/job/housing/hobbies/insurance, and basically hope for "more of the same bullshit but not as bad." If I vote for a third party I'm 100% wasting my vote, which is a shitty thing to say but the reality of our voting system is that there will not be enough third party voters to secure the election, and most likely will sway the election in favor of an opposing party. I don't like Johnson's libertarianism, and Stein has some backwards ideas like her view on Nuclear power that make me reluctant to vote on her anyways. My top choice, Bernie, already pledged to support Hillary because he's not crazy enough to split the democrat's votes I mean he knows his history, he definitely didn't want to be a Van Buren and fuck over the Democrats by going third party. Guess the path of least-harm would be voting for Hilary, but even typing those words makes me wince. If I protest/not vote I'm making a decision via inaction, and in the grand scheme of things while every vote matters on the whole I'd need a lot more people to vote the same as me to make any influential change with third parties, so my choice is to either wash my hands of everything and pray tensions don't erupt or vote for a shithead or a slightly less shitty turd. Hope 2020 isn't as fucked as this year is.[/QUOTE] Look up who's on the ballot in your area and keep an eye on elections. Get to know your state-level reps and senators, and even local ones - they could easily have a larger influence on your daily life than the president. Look at Wisconsin starting to shit the bed while Minnesota is doing pretty well - state level seats can influence a lot of policy that directly influences your life. Sure, they don't have any influence on international trade deals, but paying attention to who's running in your area and consistently voting and talking to your reps on issues will do more to influence your life than a single vote for a president who's main job is international relations. That said, yeah, when the options are "status quo" or "gilded age america/who the fuck knows," most people will probably chose the safer option, even as distasteful as it might be. Democracy works from the bottom up - the presidential election isn't as big a deal as local and state elections, especially when it comes to your own daily life.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50760802]Well fuck. After reading all this, the articles linked in the article, etc, I feel like I'm gambling by voting this election. On one hand, I'm hoping that if Trump wins he gets cock blocked by everyone in the house and senate and possibly gets impeached over some dumb shit, or we somehow find a way to kick him out of office. I also have to hope he doesn't completely destroy foreign relations to bring us back to pre-Nixon times (in terms of China and Russia foreign relations which Nixon was influential with developing, but also civil rights, although with Muslims/Mexicans rather than black people. Other than Watergate Nixon was a pretty good president). I'm not hoping he gets assassinated obviously as wishing for someone to die is morbid, but there's the chance that he could get killed by some lunatic and that might potentially be less harmful to the nation, but as I said before I'm not hoping for that in anyway. The other hand if Hillary wins I gotta hope she doesn't do some corrupt bullshit that ends up trickling down and making my life miserable, convincing congressman to vote on laws that negatively affect my finances/job/housing/hobbies/insurance, and basically hope for "more of the same bullshit but not as bad." If I vote for a third party I'm 100% wasting my vote, which is a shitty thing to say but the reality of our voting system is that there will not be enough third party voters to secure the election, and most likely will sway the election in favor of an opposing party. I don't like Johnson's libertarianism, and Stein has some backwards ideas like her view on Nuclear power that make me reluctant to vote on her anyways. My top choice, Bernie, already pledged to support Hillary because he's not crazy enough to split the democrat's votes I mean he knows his history, he definitely didn't want to be a Van Buren and fuck over the Democrats by going third party. Guess the path of least-harm would be voting for Hilary, but even typing those words makes me wince. If I protest/not vote I'm making a decision via inaction, and in the grand scheme of things while every vote matters on the whole I'd need a lot more people to vote the same as me to make any influential change with third parties, so my choice is to either wash my hands of everything and pray tensions don't erupt or vote for a shithead or a slightly less shitty turd. Hope 2020 isn't as fucked as this year is.[/QUOTE] If Trump is impeached or killed or whatever, Mike Pence would become President (okay, I don't know if impeachment would trigger a new election as well), so you'll end up with an extremely conservative guy instead. Vote for the one closest to your views - or vote for no one, if no one really represents you. Don't vote for Trump, though, if your best case scenario is that he does fuck-all.

This almost makes me feel like Hillary actually [i] would [/i] make a better president than Trump scarily enough. At least in the sense of Richard Nixon was a better president than George W. Bush in respect to competency at running a government. If I vote third party, I'm afraid of placing my own interests and personal values ahead of what's needed for this country. That would be the same mistake people my grandparents age are making by placing their values of traditional marriage and fear of brown people ahead what is needed for this country. Wouldn't that be hypocritical of me? [editline]23rd July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50760849]If Trump is impeached or killed or whatever, Mike Pence would become President (okay, I don't know if impeachment would trigger a new election as well), so you'll end up with an extremely conservative guy instead. Vote for the one closest to your views - or vote for no one, if no one really represents you. Don't vote for Trump, though, if your best case scenario is that he does fuck-all.[/QUOTE] Nixon would have been impeached but he resigned, which made Gerald Ford president despite himself never being formally nominated for Vice President. Since we have never had a successful impeachment process before, it's up for debate.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50757779]Read the original article. Check the sources. Check the facts. If you still support Donald after that, you're just doing so to watch the world burn. Donald Trump wants to destabalize the country in an effort and bid to use his wealth, and the wealth of his backers to reshape the "democracy" in america. If you don't think that's the case, or you think i'm a fucking lunatic for thinking he's playing the long game here, too bad, just start thinking about who's behind him, why, and what kind of person he honestly is. He doesn't want to help any of you. He doesn't even care about you in the slightest. This is about him, him, him.[/QUOTE] It seriously makes my balls ache to hear a person try to explain why theyre voting for this shitbag. Explain to me how a fucking billionaire is going to solve your problems? Please.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50760260]I reserve the right to complain about whoever wins because if i dont vote they're the reason i didnt vote.[/QUOTE] Don't listen to that nonsense. You [I]have[/I] voted, it's just not for anyone up on the board[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH15UhALQw"].[/URL]

[QUOTE=Stroheim;50760693]I smell angry liberals. It's okay boys, I know that your convention probably will suck, what with that candidate you didn't really like, that cause you honestly really don't care about taking the center stage, and the fact that she basically changes her opinions faster than the clothes on a Paris Fashion model. You're taking the rage out on threads like this. And that's okay, the same articles, written by the same papers, will here for you, always. Because you know your main candidate isn't.[/QUOTE] You talk about politics like it's a fucking team game.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50759716]Have you ever looked into any of that? Not all of it is as credible as you think. Trumps corruption, and incompetence as a potential world leader is being documented constantly. He's far worse.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you read biased opinion pieces by corpratists.

[QUOTE=space1;50767848]Maybe if you read biased opinion pieces by corpratists.[/QUOTE] Oh okay. But I don't. Not everything about her is true. She's not perfect but better than Trump. She's not even good but the alternative is a narcissistic child with a noted detachment from reality

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50757779]Read the original article. Check the sources. Check the facts. If you still support Donald after that, you're just doing so to watch the world burn. Donald Trump wants to destabalize the country in an effort and bid to use his wealth, and the wealth of his backers to reshape the "democracy" in america. If you don't think that's the case, or you think i'm a fucking lunatic for thinking he's playing the long game here, too bad, just start thinking about who's behind him, why, and what kind of person he honestly is. He doesn't want to help any of you. He doesn't even care about you in the slightest. This is about him, him, him.[/QUOTE] same as hillary, one has a penis

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;50767997]same as hillary, one has a penis[/QUOTE] One believes in climate change, one doesn't; one believes vaccines cause abortions, one doesn't. One supports torture and punishing women who have abortions, the other doesn't. It's night and day.

My thoughts on the matter is that Trump had to win the nomination fairly, he was an outsider against numerous insiders and he won the voters over through a tough campaign. Hillary, on the other hand, is an insider that more than likely knew she had the DNC in her back pocket to help secure her the nomination given the current scandal. Instead of distancing herself from the controversy, she gave one of the largest actors in it a seat on her campaign. Trump has said some outrageous things, that I would assume if anyone else said would not still be in this campaign, yet he seems to be able to truck along. Hillary at first view looked great in comparison, but with every controversy it's near impossible now to trust her motives when there is so much shadiness going on behind her. It's a devil you know vs. a devil you don't know. Why even tell me to vote between the two, neither should be President or even in this campaign at this point. If this were the Nixon era the amount of people on the streets would be something never seen before in the history of the United States.

[QUOTE=Charades;50768432]My thoughts on the matter is that Trump had to win the nomination fairly, he was an outsider against numerous insiders and he won the voters over through a tough campaign. Hillary, on the other hand, is an insider that more than likely knew she had the DNC in her back pocket to help secure her the nomination given the current scandal. Instead of distancing herself from the controversy, she gave one of the largest actors in it a seat on her campaign. Trump has said some outrageous things, that I would assume if anyone else said would not still be in this campaign, yet he seems to be able to truck along. Hillary at first view looked great in comparison, but with every controversy it's near impossible now to trust her motives when there is so much shadiness going on behind her. It's a devil you know vs. a devil you don't know. Why even tell me to vote between the two, neither should be President or even in this campaign at this point. If this were the Nixon era the amount of people on the streets would be something never seen before in the history of the United States.[/QUOTE] trump doesn't even have a voting record or political history to check how is he "the devil you know"?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50768452]trump doesn't even have a voting record or political history to check how is he "the devil you know"?[/QUOTE] From my point of view he's said enough to want to distance myself from voting him. I know he's a terrible candidate, he's told me that himself on multiple issues. Hillary says things that don't leave me dumbfounded, but behind it all is something too corrupt for me to want to trust.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50757779]Read the original article. Check the sources. Check the facts. If you still support Donald after that, you're just doing so to watch the world burn. Donald Trump wants to destabalize the country in an effort and bid to use his wealth, and the wealth of his backers to reshape the "democracy" in america. If you don't think that's the case, or you think i'm a fucking lunatic for thinking he's playing the long game here, too bad, just start thinking about who's behind him, why, and what kind of person he honestly is. He doesn't want to help any of you. He doesn't even care about you in the slightest. This is about him, him, him.[/QUOTE] Everything you said here is equally true of Clinton. Unless a miracle happens, America's fucked either way. [editline]25th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=CatFodder;50768008]One believes in climate change, one doesn't; one believes vaccines cause abortions, one doesn't. One supports torture and punishing women who have abortions, the other doesn't. It's night and day.[/QUOTE] Their proclaimed beliefs are irrelevant - they both seek to fuck you and me as hard as they can and get away with it.

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;50770353]Everything you said here is equally true of Clinton. Unless a miracle happens, America's fucked either way. [editline]25th July 2016[/editline] Their proclaimed beliefs are irrelevant - they both seek to fuck you and me as hard as they can and get away with it.[/QUOTE] Then at least vote on the respective parties' platforms if it makes no difference.

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;50770353] Their proclaimed beliefs are irrelevant - they both seek to fuck you and me as hard as they can and get away with it.[/QUOTE] This attitude is such defeatist bollocks. Yeah politicians are often corrupt and take money from shady sources, but in general they do the things [url=http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/]they say they'll do.[/url] The things Trump intends to do will ruin the world economy, vastly deepen racial divisions and boost radical Islam. Clinton's platform is essentially Obama's with some Sanders mixed in. There's just no comparison.

Donald J. Trump is a narcissistic manchild and I'm never voting for that buffoon. I mean would you really want someone who repeatedly gets legitimately offended over people calling his hands small as your president? Has 8 years of not having a Republican president made the conservatives gone mad? [sp]Also I'm not a liberal either so don't try to play that card.[/sp]

Hey, I'm a few days and pages late, but I don't think anyone brought this detail up. [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50758333][QUOTE]His willingness to kill innocent families of supposed/known terrorists.[/QUOTE] ...is just war is hell. I don't like it, but you fight war to win with whatever you have. Now that's just an opinion, if you want to talk about effectiveness then we both need statistics.[/QUOTE] No, that isn't "war is hell", that is WAR CRIME. [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50758538]Civilian women, children, and men get killed in total war. No one likes war. There's an argument for security vs human rights, and right now innocent women, children, and men in the US and Europe are getting killed because we relaxed on security measures to take care of migrants. I don't like it, I don't like the implications it has on our military decisions, but I view it objectively.[/QUOTE] Objectively, intentionally bombing/killing civilians, even family members of confirmed terrorists, is a [B]war crime[/B]. It's a war crime for a reason. You know what a war crime means, right? Something unacceptable [I]even during war[/I].

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50770741]Hey, I'm a few days and pages late, but I don't think anyone brought this detail up. No, that isn't "war is hell", that is WAR CRIME. Objectively, intentionally bombing/killing civilians, even family members of confirmed terrorists, is a [B]war crime[/B]. It's a war crime for a reason. You know what a war crime means, right? Something unacceptable [I]even during war[/I].[/QUOTE] The "War is hell"-excuse can basically be used to defend anything - if torture hasn't been disproven to have any real benefit (or well according to the CIA it doesn't, but what do they know), why not use other unproven methods like sawing of the limbs of random civilians or burning down villages? Maybe it'll persuade [I]someone[/I] to give up some useful information, because we don't know, we shouldn't rule anything out, and war is hell right? It's a really shitty excuse. War [I]is[/I] hell, but we don't need to make it worse on purpose.

[QUOTE=CatFodder;50770452]This attitude is such defeatist bollocks. Yeah politicians are often corrupt and take money from shady sources, but in general they do the things [url=http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/]they say they'll do.[/url] The things Trump intends to do will ruin the world economy, vastly deepen racial divisions and boost radical Islam. Clinton's platform is essentially Obama's with some Sanders mixed in. There's just no comparison.[/QUOTE] Actually we're gambling with Trump's policies to begin with, since he apparently a narcissist, and a sociopath, we don't even know what his real policies to begin with.

Hilarry has husband who is kiddie fiddler

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50757779]Read the original article. If you still support Donald after that, you're just doing so to watch the world burn. [/QUOTE] No, just the USA. The world will have an economic depression, but will be fine afterwards. The USA however, will probably see revolution. I just hope its not violent, and the USA will finally get its act together and become properly democratic.

people deluding themselves into thinking Clinton is as bad as trump how did we get here? for the past 8 years, those on the right have plucked the low-hanging fruits for political discourse. as a result, obama has been demonized to untold heights. actual debate has been side-stepped in favor of gut feelings and conspiracy-level suspicion that he is "up to no good" or that he doesn't really like "America." As if our president was a 2x agent fox news created a monster. trump is that monster's champion

[QUOTE=Kljunas;50761425]You talk about politics like it's a fucking team game.[/QUOTE] They basically are. Wave your banners high, cheer for the right team, and boo the other players. [editline]25th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Blizzerd;50771283]No, just the USA. The world will have an economic depression, but will be fine afterwards. The USA however, will probably see revolution. I just hope its not violent, and the USA will finally get its act together and become properly democratic.[/QUOTE] The idea that Trump will somehow implode the political process and force us to completely re-imagine our democracy is absurd. All we can realistically expect to see is see some restructuring of Republican party platform points and some changes to their party nomination process to help them exert more control over the nominees in future elections, and even that is uncertain. Trump himself will accomplish little more than fucking up our diplomatic relations, increasing racial and minority tensions, fueling the machine that is Islamic extremism, and probably triggering another recession with his ridiculous economic "plans." He would be a disaster as far as presidents go, but he would not cause armed revolution or a complete governmental implosion. America would still be here four years later, a little worse for wear, but otherwise recognizable.

Here's a fun list compiled of all the awful things Trump has said (so far). [url]https://m.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4teoxl/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/[/url]

Yeah no one has explained to me how Trump would destroy "the system". People who say things like this need to understand that American politics isn't a hollywood blockbuster film or a video game. It's a lot more boring than that. In the case that Trump is an inevitable disaster of a president the GOP will just regroup and rally behind a safer bet like Cruz or Kasich. If anything it would be easier to get voters to avoid the outsider because you can just say "Hey remember that last time we went for broke? Yeah it didn't end well, it turns out the establishment status quo is pretty okay".