'Nazi Grandma' Handed New Prison Sentence by German Court - Polidicks

RB33's clearly trolling or has a serious mental deficiency so the best thing we can do is ignore him, at the very least it'll put into perspective for him what it's like to have your opinion totally invalidated purely because people don't agree

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51429527]You are advocating for economically devastating elderly people in the brink of death who were still holding to a flawed belief. You are no different than the gestapo.[/QUOTE] You don't think that. I won't believe there's any way you actually believe that. Don't say stupid shit in public that belittle the millions of victims of ethnic cleansing then. I'm not out to get people, they are spreading hate based on lies. I don't think allowing that is okay.

[QUOTE=Mitsuma;51429537]Well, the jail sentence is easily explained. You have a criminal that broke the law multiple times and got increased fines over the past years. At one point you have to increase the sentence from fines to jail. From a purely objective standpoint I don't think there is anything wrong with that. About our laws regarding holocaust denial, I personally agree with them, especially when we are talking about Volksverhetzung. They are clear as to what is allowed and what not.[/QUOTE] How can you honestly agree with jailing or even fining somebody for voicing their retarded opinion? A blatant lack of free speech like that is dangerous.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429583]You don't think that. I won't believe there's any way you actually believe that. Don't say stupid shit in public that belittle the millions of victims of ethnic cleansing then.[/QUOTE] Who is she hurting by saying something stupid? The Holocaust was 70-80 years ago, almost everyone involved on both sides is long since dead, how long do you have to hold onto such hate? Soon, there wont be anyone alive who had firsthand experience of those events, and then the hate will be meaningless. The only ones left to recieve it will be ghosts.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51429538]I need to ask, how many people died in 9/11? No, not for me, im asking you, i know how many died, but do you know.[/QUOTE] My guess would be 4000, seems it was less checking on it now. My question to you is how many died in the holocaust?

[QUOTE=.Isak.;51429434]Germany clamped down [I]hard[/I] on nazism following WW2. Places like Austria didn't, and they still have a pretty sizable group of nazi sympathizers and radicals floating around in politics and elsewhere. Criminalizing holocaust denial is unnecessary at best, even if it was very effective at weeding out nazism and preventing nazism from ever having a resurgence in Germany. But it shouldn't be illegal, as fucking stupid as it is.[/QUOTE] Just because people in germany aren't allowed to voice their opinions doesn't mean they don't have them. saying its been successful at "weeding out nazism" is like saying you've fixed a problem by not looking at it. In other countries nazi groups are loud because they are allowed to be, there are certainly nazi groups in germany but you just dont know about them and its impossible to quantify as a result.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429583]You don't think that. I won't believe there's any way you actually believe that. Don't say stupid shit in public that belittle the millions of victims of ethnic cleansing then.[/quote] How about we grow the fuck up as a world and ignore the stupidity of a marginal amount of people? [QUOTE=RB33;51429583] I'm not out to get people, they are spreading hate based on lies.[/QUOTE] People always have this misconception that hate spreads. It doesn't. If I tell you "We should kill all Niggers because they're the inferior race!", does that suddenly mean that you agree with me, or any other person who heard it agrees with me? Of course not. The world is full of people who have free thought and we live in an age where we have the entirety of human knowledge accessible in one's pocket. Nobody is going to be swayed by overhearing a bigot on the street. People are dumb and thats just a fact of life; people being racist or denying historical events is not grounds to fine and jail people. You're banning steak because infants can't chew it. [editline]26th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RB33;51429602]My guess would be 4000, seems it was less checking on it now. My question to you is how many died in the holocaust?[/QUOTE] The holocaust question is really dependent on who you ask. An immeasurable amount of people were annihilated, but it's between 6-20 million roughly.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429602]My guess would be 4000, seems it was less checking on it now. My question to you is how many died in the holocaust?[/QUOTE] I dont think theres an exact number, but around 6 million jews and nearly 10 million altogether. What makes the lives of the 9/11 victims worth less than the victims of the holocaust? You're kind of disgusting me by boiling it down to a numbers game.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51429577]RB33's clearly trolling or has a serious mental deficiency so the best thing we can do is ignore him, at the very least it'll put into perspective for him what it's like to have your opinion totally invalidated purely because people don't agree[/QUOTE] Europe is like this and I like it that way. Unregulated free speech would be terrible to deal with, sure, everyone wouldn't become nazis or something like that. But having our Nazi parties without consequences spreading this in public is not something, I or most people here would want.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429619]Europe is like this and I like it that way. Unregulated free speech would be terrible to deal with, sure, everyone wouldn't become nazis or something like that. But having our Nazi parties without consequences spreading this in public is not something, I or most people here would want.[/QUOTE] Last i checked the KKK has no real political power and are mocked relentlessly every day so what the hell are you even talking about.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51429594]Who is she hurting by saying something stupid? The Holocaust was 70-80 years ago, almost everyone involved on both sides is long since dead, how long do you have to hold onto such hate? Soon, there wont be anyone alive who had firsthand experience of those events, and then the hate will be meaningless. The only ones left to recieve it will be ghosts.[/QUOTE] Are you ignoring the very hate, she and others are still keeping alive today by keep saying these things. The hate won't stop until it's no longer being told. That's unlikely to ever happen but letting it out in the open hardly improves the situation.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429619]Europe is like this and I like it that way. Unregulated free speech would be terrible to deal with, sure, everyone wouldn't become nazis or something like that. But having our Nazi parties without consequences spreading this in public is not something, I or most people here would want.[/QUOTE] Groups like the Neo Nazis and the KKK suffer no legal consequences but they certainly suffer social ones. Furthermore, the membership levels for each group is laughably low, despite the KKK even rebranding themselves in the past few years as group that merely wants proper immigration reform. You're acting like someone having a differing opinion is the absolute end of the world or the end of society. Censorship does not remove dissenting opinions, it just vilifies them and even justifies them to those who hold those opinions. Again, you're banning steak because infants can't chew it. [editline]26th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RB33;51429630]Are you ignoring the very hate, she and others are still keeping alive today by keep saying these things. The hate won't stop until it's no longer being told. That's unlikely to ever happen but letting it out in the open hardly improves the situation.[/QUOTE] Legal action does not make hate just disappear. Education does.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429630]Are you ignoring the very hate, she and others are still keeping alive today by keep saying these things. The hate won't stop until it's no longer being told. That's unlikely to ever happen but letting it out in the open hardly improves the situation.[/QUOTE] But you're wrong? In the US, tolerance has been becoming more and more commonplace as decades go by without censorship or thought policing. Theres problems, but there will always be. You cant just ban an idea and expect it to go away, thats not how it works. Hate, racism, its based in ignorance and stupidity, but you cant censor stupidity, you can educate and teach, if they're willing to listen, they will, if not, they wont, but trying to force them wont help things, it will only make things worse.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51429609]People always have this misconception that hate spreads. It doesn't. If I tell you "We should kill all Niggers because they're the inferior race!", does that suddenly mean that you agree with me, or any other person who heard it agrees with me? Of course not. The world is full of people who have free thought and we live in an age where we have the entirety of human knowledge accessible in one's pocket. Nobody is going to be swayed by overhearing a bigot on the street. People are dumb and thats just a fact of life; people being racist or denying historical events is not grounds to fine and jail people. You're banning steak because infants can't chew it.[/QUOTE] If hate doesn't spread, how did we get Hitler? We have to be careful around these things, that's why we have these laws.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429583]You don't think that. I won't believe there's any way you actually believe that. Don't say stupid shit in public that belittle the millions of victims of ethnic cleansing then. I'm not out to get people, they are spreading hate based on lies. I don't think allowing that is okay.[/QUOTE] I personally believe that the holocaust never happened and it was made as a widespread collective lie made by the jews so they can have support in taking over innocent palestinian land and money from Germany that did nothing wrong at the time. /s

[QUOTE=RB33;51429641]If hate doesn't spread, how did we get Hitler? We have to be careful around these things, that's why we have these laws.[/QUOTE] Uh, post World War I Germany after it got fucked up from the war and post war shit and Hitler used that desperation to gain power by painting an ethnic group as a strawman rallying point? Im not even knowledgable in Hitlers rise to power but it wasnt just "them jews" you know.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51429614]I dont think theres an exact number, but around 6 million jews and nearly 10 million altogether. What makes the lives of the 9/11 victims worth less than the victims of the holocaust? You're kind of disgusting me by boiling it down to a numbers game.[/QUOTE] Well, that's how one determine which should be illegal to deny, which one is worse. Or every major crime would be illegal to deny. That's not me, that's the authorities.

Hitler didnt immediately go "Gas the kikes race war now" you know. It was gradual. [editline]25th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RB33;51429649]Well, that's how one determine which should be illegal to deny, which one is worse. Or every major crime would be illegal to deny. That's not me, that's the authorities.[/QUOTE] Thats awful.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429619]Europe is like this and I like it that way. Unregulated free speech would be terrible to deal with, sure, everyone wouldn't become nazis or something like that. But having our Nazi parties without consequences spreading this in public is not something, I or most people here would want.[/QUOTE] Yeah I forgot that the people of Europe are totally incapable of handling themselves and deserve to be policed on their opinions, my bad

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51429624]Last i checked the KKK has no real political power and are mocked relentlessly every day so what the hell are you even talking about.[/QUOTE] Were was I talking about the KKK? I was talking about European nazi parties, they do exist and are not fun to have marching down the street. Especially, if they were unrestricted to say whatever.

Pardon me for not being so dense as to ignore the pretense that these kind of legislations present, actually come to think of it you're a very strong example of why folks deserve to have their thoughts regulated. You might have just convinced me, though not in the way you were expecting

[QUOTE=RB33;51429641]If hate doesn't spread, how did we get Hitler? We have to be careful around these things, that's why we have these laws.[/QUOTE] Hate for the Jews was not an exclusive thing to Germany or Europe, and it existed long before Hitler rose to power. Hitler did not spread that hate, he capitalized on it. That hate was based on the world being horribly broken economically with the Jews being some of the only people still doing OK. The propaganda that Hitler and others used to vilify the Jews was based on misinformation. Do you know why that misinformation worked? It's because his regime was notorious for censorship and the banning of books and other media that went against Nazi ideals. That does not apply today. If I told you that Jews are genetically inferior, you could pull your smartphone out and prove me wrong in 3 seconds flat. 1933 Germany is no where close to 2016 Germany. Even so, Nazism in Germany did not rise to power exclusively on the hatred for Jews, Hitler did incredible things for the German economy and played on the country's loss in WWI and nationalism. You could even argue that the majority of troops who voluntarily joined the German military were fighting to defend German and European culture against Bolshevism, more than they were to just kill Jews and political dissidents. But since you're going to go straight to Godwin, you realize that thought policing and censorship was a pretty popular thing in Fascist Germany right?

[QUOTE=RB33;51429657]Were was I talking about the KKK? I was talking about European nazi parties, they do exist and are not fun to have marching down the street. Especially, if they were unrestricted to say whatever.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you need a safe space

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51429523]Dude jesus christ. [editline]25th November 2016[/editline] [b]DUDE.[/b][/QUOTE] If you manage to put aside all of the bullshit he's spewing, you can kind of find a decent point in there. Many Americans tend to look at 9/11 and act like it was the most horrible, disastrous act that was ever committed by man when that's really not true. We have so many people that live in their own little bubble and don't take into account that other countries have suffered far more in the past 100 years than we have. It's unfortunate, and it may sound insensitive, but the two events simply aren't comparable. But yeah, fining people for hate speech is really stupid. For people as old as this, there's really nothing that can be done to change their attitudes, unfortunately. Instead of putting restrictive laws in place, we (the world in general, not just Germany), should take further steps to educate people on things like this. Intolerance can only be stamped out by education and exposure to other cultures, whether it be direct or indirect.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429657]Were was I talking about the KKK? I was talking about European nazi parties, they do exist and are not fun to have marching down the street. Especially, if they were unrestricted to say whatever.[/QUOTE] Because speech is unrestricted in the United States (barring explicit death threats and the like) and yet the KKK have no political say and are mocked for their beliefs without censorship. It was refuting your point. Hate doesnt spread by merely existing. [i]You're wrong.[/i]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51429640]But you're wrong? In the US, tolerance has been becoming more and more commonplace as decades go by without censorship or thought policing. Theres problems, but there will always be. You cant just ban an idea and expect it to go away, thats not how it works. Hate, racism, its based in ignorance and stupidity, but you cant censor stupidity, you can educate and teach, if they're willing to listen, they will, if not, they wont, but trying to force them wont help things, it will only make things worse.[/QUOTE] Stopping them from saying it in public may make us less likely to hear their talk. That's a good enough reason for most people. No one wants to hear it.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429657]Were was I talking about the KKK? I was talking about European nazi parties, they do exist and are not fun to have marching down the street. Especially, if they were unrestricted to say whatever.[/QUOTE] Oh so you mean that despite having such harsh censorship laws, you still have these foolish radicals marching down the streets? hm.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51429666]If you manage to put aside all of the bullshit he's spewing, you can kind of find a decent point in there. Many Americans tend to look at 9/11 and act like it was the most horrible, disastrous act that was ever committed by man when that's really not true. We have so many people that live in their own little bubble and don't take into account that other countries have suffered far more in the past 100 years than we have. It's unfortunate, and it may sound insensitive, but the two events simply aren't comparable..[/QUOTE] I understand that, but the way he's wording it is really fucked up.

[QUOTE=RB33;51429670]Stopping them from saying it in public may make us less likely to hear their talk. That's a good enough reason for most people. No one wants to hear it.[/QUOTE] So you totally admit you're incapable of forming your own opinions based on fact and thus must be spoon fed what you want to hear

[QUOTE=RB33;51429670]Stopping them from saying it in public may make us less likely to hear their talk. That's a good enough reason for most people. No one wants to hear it.[/QUOTE] They should have the right to say their stupid ignorant bullshit, just like how you should have the right to tell them to shut their ignorant mouth.