UN official voices deep concern as Hamas raids offices of aid groups

[Glorbo]

[QUOTE=starpluck;22549419]You should know I'm not going waste my time if you state a baseless claim which I just refuted in this thread, with evidence to prove so. ("Hamas being a religious organization")

I also don't argue with strawmans or people who can't read by thinking I justified civilans death.[/QUOTE]

Bullshit, you don't bother to reply because you don't have one.
The justification of rocket fire is the justification of civilian deaths, plain and simple.

[editline]12:19PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;22542835]yeah israel ain't going anywhere

[editline]04:07PM[/editline]

they should try to get along though[/QUOTE]

Aint exactly easy to get along with someone that does not recognize you.

[OrionChronicles]

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;22390997]HAMAS is an organization of some of the dumbest terrorists on the planet.[/QUOTE]

please stop stating the obvious

[Warhol]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22553226]Bullshit, you don't bother to reply because you don't have one.
The justification of rocket fire is the justification of civilian deaths, plain and simple.

[editline]12:19PM[/editline]

Aint exactly easy to get along with someone that does not recognize you.[/QUOTE]

yeah you're smartdog

[editline]09:05PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22551952]Yes. IF there was no blockade Iran would be able to give them very powerful rockets that could reach Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem, would be more precise, and would be a lot more deadly[/quote]
and I'm a fucking fairy. let me do a fair analysis on how much truth is in your post

0%

look at that

and i'm intrested to know where you got your ballistic information, are you some sort of military analyse? Aren't you like fucking 12 or some shit? it may explain a fuck of a lot.
[quote]What I meant was that A Palestinian state would be declared in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.[/QUOTE]
And none of the Camp David shit. The whole "oh lol, you got a bit of land back, but btw, we own it still and we own your airspace... D: cheer up, it's something at least"

[BurnEmDown]

[QUOTE=Warhol;22562086]
and I'm a fucking fairy. let me do a fair analysis on how much truth is in your post

0%

look at that

and i'm intrested to know where you got your ballistic information, are you some sort of military analyse? Aren't you like fucking 12 or some shit? it may explain a fuck of a lot.[/QUOTE]

You know, one year ago Israel caught an Iranian ship that was FILLED with weapons, rockets, etc. It was under the disguise of a humanitarian aid ship. The same thing happened one year before that, too.
If there was no blockade, not only would those ships arrive easily, but a lot of others would too.

[Warhol]

oh no, two shipments. maybe, just fucking maybe burnemdown, if you used your fucking brain... you would think that maybe the weapon shipments were a response.

So effectively, the wall around gaza is fucking useless? I mean, if you came out and said it was built with apartheid intentions, then I would say, no, the wall is not useless, it does something. But that's bad words on the Israeli's and burnemdown would never

hmm, I have a fucking theory, maybe there's a reason Iran is pissed?

maybe

the whole oppression thing. Lets pin an example on the United States. They keep whining about how the world hates them. Then you look at foreign policy. and it kind of shows WHY the world hates them.

[BurnEmDown]

Oh so because Israel occupies the West Bank it's OK to fund terroristic organizations that attack it constantly, as opposed to diplomatically try to achieve a peaceful solution?

[Warhol]

it's called fucking retaliation. Being a fucking jew you should remember the warsaw uprising.

[BurnEmDown]

That's a completely different thing. Nazi Germany wanted to exterminate the Jews, if they wouldn't have resisted they would have died anyway (and some even say it was a mistake, since the Nazis started killing more after the uprisings).

In this case Israel is occupying the West Bank because pulling out isn't something you can just do right away, for example we've pulled out of Gaza and it did nothing good to us, it didn't accomplish a single thing.

Also, the Warsaw uprising was against military, troops and soldiers, not civilians. If the Jews in the uprisings would have targeted civilians I would view them just like another terrorist group, because the ends don't justify the means, at least not in situations like these.

[Warhol]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22564582]That's a completely different thing. Nazi Germany wanted to [B]exterminate the Jews[/B], if they wouldn't have resisted they would have died anyway (and some even say it was a mistake, since the Nazis started killing more after the uprisings).[/quote]
um... And Israel is being fucking gentle with the Palestinians?

[quote]In this case Israel is occupying the West Bank because pulling out isn't something you can just do right away, for example we've pulled out of Gaza and it did nothing good to us, it didn't accomplish a single thing.

Also, the Warsaw uprising was against military, troops and soldiers, not civilians. If the Jews in the uprisings would have targeted civilians I would view them just like another terrorist group, because the ends don't justify the means, at least not in situations like these.[/QUOTE]
um... were you trying to make a point?

[BurnEmDown]

Yes, that Nazi Germany is nothing like Israel, and that the Warsaw uprisings are nothing like terrorist organizations.

[Warhol]

hmmmm, high body count, persecution card... something tells me some Zionist Jewy Jews are a lot like the Nazi's, moreso then you may think.

lol, the warsaw resistance were backed into a corner and fought back, same thing with the Palestinians.

[BurnEmDown]

That's a major oversimplification.

The Jews were systematically killed, the Nazi's intention was to kill every last one of them.

The Palestinians are also killed, but not systematically, and Israel's intention isn't to kill them all. Mostly when they are killed, it's in armed conflicts, and it's not execution-like killings.

Also the body count is not even close.

[Warhol]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566067]That's a major oversimplification.

The Jews were systematically killed, the Nazi's intention was to kill every last one of them.

The Palestinians are also killed, but not systematically, and Israel's intention isn't to kill them all. Mostly when they are killed, it's in armed conflicts, and it's not execution-like killings.

Also the body count is not even close.[/QUOTE]

lol, you honestly think there is no maliciousness in the IDF?

there is a LOT of fucking collateral damage.

[BurnEmDown]

I'm not saying there isn't, but it's not like the purpose of it is to exterminated the Palestinians, unlike for example the SS which had a full-time job on exterminating the Jews.

When someone in the IDF commits a crime, he is brought to justice.

[JDK721]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566303]When someone in the IDF commits a crime, he is brought to justice.[/QUOTE]

lol

you've got to be fucking kidding me

[Mr. Scorpio]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566303]I'm not saying there isn't, but it's not like the purpose of it is to exterminated the Palestinians, unlike for example the SS which had a full-time job on exterminating the Jews.

When someone in the IDF commits a crime, he is brought to justice.[/QUOTE]

How about you think about this from the Palestinian perspective for a moment.

You're a small country that has been occupied by a police state government. Extremists from your people and that government have been skirmishing for decades, and the body count on your side has always been spectacularly high. Now that military power has literally trapped you inside of a ghetto as it wages war with an extremist group, removing any possible chance for you to escape and have a normal life. It's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan, and you have no means of escape nor reason to live in the bombed out fuckhole that is your "country".

How does this look to you?

[BurnEmDown]

What, killing a Palestinian boy isn't a crime!

/sarcasm.

[Sporkfire]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566303]I'm not saying there isn't, but it's not like the purpose of it is to exterminated the Palestinians, unlike for example the SS which had a full-time job on exterminating the Jews.

When someone in the IDF commits a crime, he is brought to justice.[/QUOTE]

Hey do me a favor,

Check out what war-crimes or crimes were found by Israel's investigation after Operation Cast Lead. You might be surprised or not.

[BurnEmDown]

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22566702]How about you think about this from the Palestinian perspective for a moment.

You're a small country that has been occupied by a police state government. Extremists from your people and that government have been skirmishing for decades, and the body count on your side has always been spectacularly high. Now that military power has literally trapped you inside of a ghetto as it wages war with an extremist group, removing any possible chance for you to escape and have a normal life. It's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan, and you have no means of escape nor reason to live in the bombed out fuckhole that is your "country".

How does this look to you?[/QUOTE]

If I was in this situation I would appeal to the international community to help me and my people, WITHOUT acting violently against the occupying power, as that would just make me seem like a hypocrite and a terrorist.

[JDK721]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566710]What, killing a Palestinian boy isn't a crime!

/sarcasm.[/QUOTE]

stop with the retarded remarks and then claiming it's sarcasm

[BurnEmDown]

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;22566729]Hey do me a favor,

Check out what war-crimes or crimes were found by Israel's investigation after Operation Cast Lead. You might be surprised or not.[/QUOTE]

I checked, there were two officers who used WP illegally, they were dealt with.

[editline]02:28AM[/editline]

[QUOTE=JDK721;22566763]stop with the retarded remarks and then claiming it's sarcasm[/QUOTE]

I will if you will.

[Sporkfire]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566776]I checked, there were two officers who used WP illegally, they were dealt with.

[editline]02:28AM[/editline]

I will if you will.[/QUOTE]

Over 900 civilians killed in only 3 weeks and only two arrests? Damn the IDF is an army of angels.

[JDK721]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566776]I will if you will.[/QUOTE]

I'm not the one making stupid comments and then saying it's sarcasm (which it probably isn't.)

[editline]07:33PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;22566849]Over 900 civilians killed in only 3 weeks and only two arrests? Damn the IDF is an army of angels.[/QUOTE]

IDF soldiers are brought to justice. BurnEmDown said so.

[Dr_Funk]

You know, maybe the fact that Hamas hides amongst its own civilian population might have a little to do with the death count.

Just maybe.

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22553226]Bullshit, you don't bother to reply because you don't have one.
The justification of rocket fire is the justification of civilian deaths, plain and simple.
[/QUOTE]
Hey smartdog,

I can't justify what I never said.

[editline]12:49PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;22576737]You know, maybe the fact that Hamas hides amongst its own civilian population might have a little to do with the death count.

Just maybe.[/QUOTE]
If that was true, then yes. However, countless [URL="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html"]investigations[/URL]after [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/03/25/rain-fire"]investigations [/URL]proved the contrary

[Glorbo]

[QUOTE=starpluck;22577234]
If that was true, then yes. However, countless [URL="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html"]investigations[/URL]after [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/03/25/rain-fire"]investigations [/URL]proved the contrary[/QUOTE]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0tEceCe9Y&NR=1[/media]

[Sickle]

[QUOTE=JDK721;22566886]
IDF soldiers are brought to justice. BurnEmDown said so.[/QUOTE]

BurnEmDown said so so obviously he's right.

[editline]03:54PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22578062][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0tEceCe9Y&NR=1[/media][/QUOTE]

Smartdog is a smart dog.

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22578062][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0tEceCe9Y&NR=1[/media][/QUOTE]

Oh wow. Are you seriously posting that? I'll reply later as I am on my iTouch but to actually believe the narrative in the 2nd video is pathetic.

[BurnEmDown]

[QUOTE=starpluck;22577234]
If that was true, then yes. However, countless [URL="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html"]investigations[/URL]after [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/03/25/rain-fire"]investigations [/URL]proved the contrary[/QUOTE]

You are forgetting that the HRW [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watch"]don't know shit.[/URL]

[Mr. Scorpio]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22566753]If I was in this situation I would appeal to the international community to help me and my people, WITHOUT acting violently against the occupying power, as that would just make me seem like a hypocrite and a terrorist.[/QUOTE]

You don't have access to the internet. You're in a Ghetto.

What are you going to do? Wave a flag at the boarder?