UN official voices deep concern as Hamas raids offices of aid groups - Polidicks

Guys, I thought the topic of this thread is Hamas raiding international organizations offices.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;22603147]Guys, I thought the topic of this thread is Hamas raiding international organizations offices.[/QUOTE] Not really, as it should of been lumped into the ISRAEL thread anyways. Nice attempt at trying to divert attention.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22602838]The Government of Israel issued a 32-point preliminary analysis of the report.[/QUOTE] In other words: Israel is fucking untouchable because.. well.. Israel said so. Edit: [img_thumb]http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/171-0616141524-605074-cartman_super.jpg[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22602838][B]The Government of Israel[/B] issued a 32-point preliminary analysis of the report[/QUOTE] [img]http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/238/357g1sn.gif[/img]

Israel even said Goldstone is antisemite even though he's a Jew himself.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22603386]Israel even said Goldstone is antisemite even though he's a Jew himself.[/QUOTE] Semite anti-semite? :aaa:

[QUOTE=starpluck;22603386]Israel even said Goldstone is antisemite even though he's a Jew himself.[/QUOTE] dissent = anti-semite

Yeah because calling your sources biased is the most stupidest thing ever but calling my sources biased - nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22603395]Semite anti-semite? :aaa:[/QUOTE] Anti semetic. [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3839044,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gXlzTQaiB-PiwHtYxlprhknJMW2g[/url]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22603445]Yeah because calling your sources biased is the most stupidest thing ever but calling my sources biased - nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE] Holy fuck. You're calling the UN biased, which though can be true, it has no reason to be. We're calling Israel biased in a report evaluating IT'S OWN ACTIONS IN A WAR. My god.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22603445]Yeah because calling your sources biased is the most stupidest thing ever but calling my sources biased - nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE] regarding the country in question. Report from prominent Jewish Judge and lawyer > Govt. of Israel Show me how Mr.Goldstone is biased.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22603445]Yeah because calling your sources biased is the most stupidest thing ever but calling my sources biased - nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE] Provide well trusted and known sources and people won't call them biased.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22603445]Yeah because calling your sources biased is the most stupidest thing ever but calling my sources biased - nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE] Because maybe Israel is biased about admitting if they're wrong? Gee idk

Even if Israel is biased (which I'm not claiming it isn't) you really can't ignore these points: The resolution mandating the mission was one-sided and prejudicial and the terms of the mandate were never changed. The composition of the Mission and its conduct raised serious questions about its impartiality. Incidents selected for examination were cherry-picked for political effect. The mission displayed double standards in acceptance of evidence: treating even photogaphic evidence presented by Israel as inherently untrustworthy, except when it could be used to condemn Israel, while uncritically accepting statements by Hamas; reinterpreting or dismissing self-incriminating statements by Hamas; and selectively quoting material from sources. The report includes misstatements of fact: for example, it stated that Israel discriminated against its non-Jewish citizens in providing shelter from Palestinian rocket attacks , when the shelter was provided on the basis of proximity to the Gaza Strip and did not discriminate between Jews and non-Jews. The report contains misstatements of law: for example, its description of the Israeli appeals process is outdated. The report fails to consider the military complexities of the war, makes judgments lacking necessary knowledge, and ignores Israel's extensive efforts to maintain humanitarian standards and protect civilians. The report unjustifiably minimizes the threat of terrorism and in effect vindicates terrorist tactics. The report presents its findings as judicial determinations of guilt, despite its admission that it does not reach a judicial level of proof; it commits egregious legal errors, including unjustifiable assumptions regarding intent and commanders' states of mind, as well as misinterpretation of the willfulness requirement of responsibility under international law. The report ignores Israel's own investigations into its conduct, overlooks the many independent levels of scrutiny in Israel's judicial system, misrepresents Israel's legal mechanisms and shows disdain for democratic values. The report makes one-sided recommendations against Israel while making only token recommendations with respect to Palestinians: for example, recommending Israel compensate Palestinians for attacks without recommending Palestinians compensate Israelis for attacks. The analysis concludes that the report claims to represent international law but perverts it to serve a political agenda; that it sends a "legally unfounded message to states everywhere confronting terrorism that international law has no effective response to offer them", and that it signals to terrorist groups "that the cynical tactics of seeking to exploit civilian suffering for political ends actually pays dividends". Which show how biased is the Goldstone report.

lol, BurnEmDown is always bitching about sources, and then he posts an Israel report investigating themselves. :frog:

[QUOTE=starpluck;22603486]Anti semetic. [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3839044,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gXlzTQaiB-PiwHtYxlprhknJMW2g[/url][/QUOTE] Israeli media :colbert:

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22603568]Even if Israel is biased (which I'm not claiming it isn't) you really can't ignore these points: The resolution mandating the mission was one-sided and prejudicial and the terms of the mandate were never changed. The composition of the Mission and its conduct raised serious questions about its impartiality. Incidents selected for examination were cherry-picked for political effect. The mission displayed double standards in acceptance of evidence: treating even photogaphic evidence presented by Israel as inherently untrustworthy, except when it could be used to condemn Israel, while uncritically accepting statements by Hamas; reinterpreting or dismissing self-incriminating statements by Hamas; and selectively quoting material from sources. The report includes misstatements of fact: for example, it stated that Israel discriminated against its non-Jewish citizens in providing shelter from Palestinian rocket attacks , when the shelter was provided on the basis of proximity to the Gaza Strip and did not discriminate between Jews and non-Jews. The report contains misstatements of law: for example, its description of the Israeli appeals process is outdated. The report fails to consider the military complexities of the war, makes judgments lacking necessary knowledge, and ignores Israel's extensive efforts to maintain humanitarian standards and protect civilians. The report unjustifiably minimizes the threat of terrorism and in effect vindicates terrorist tactics. The report presents its findings as judicial determinations of guilt, despite its admission that it does not reach a judicial level of proof; it commits egregious legal errors, including unjustifiable assumptions regarding intent and commanders' states of mind, as well as misinterpretation of the willfulness requirement of responsibility under international law. The report ignores Israel's own investigations into its conduct, overlooks the many independent levels of scrutiny in Israel's judicial system, misrepresents Israel's legal mechanisms and shows disdain for democratic values. The report makes one-sided recommendations against Israel while making only token recommendations with respect to Palestinians: for example, recommending Israel compensate Palestinians for attacks without recommending Palestinians compensate Israelis for attacks. The analysis concludes that the report claims to represent international law but perverts it to serve a political agenda; that it sends a "legally unfounded message to states everywhere confronting terrorism that international law has no effective response to offer them", and that it signals to terrorist groups "that the cynical tactics of seeking to exploit civilian suffering for political ends actually pays dividends". Which show how biased is the Goldstone report.[/QUOTE] Okay, where is the evidence for these statements. And as I've said above, some of those points are absolute shit anyway.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22603568]Even if Israel is biased (which I'm not claiming it isn't) you really can't ignore these points: The resolution mandating the mission was one-sided and prejudicial and the terms of the mandate were never changed. The composition of the Mission and its conduct raised serious questions about its impartiality. Incidents selected for examination were cherry-picked for political effect. The mission displayed double standards in acceptance of evidence: treating even photogaphic evidence presented by Israel as inherently untrustworthy, except when it could be used to condemn Israel, while uncritically accepting statements by Hamas; reinterpreting or dismissing self-incriminating statements by Hamas; and selectively quoting material from sources. The report includes misstatements of fact: for example, it stated that Israel discriminated against its non-Jewish citizens in providing shelter from Palestinian rocket attacks , when the shelter was provided on the basis of proximity to the Gaza Strip and did not discriminate between Jews and non-Jews. The report contains misstatements of law: for example, its description of the Israeli appeals process is outdated. The report fails to consider the military complexities of the war, makes judgments lacking necessary knowledge, and ignores Israel's extensive efforts to maintain humanitarian standards and protect civilians. The report unjustifiably minimizes the threat of terrorism and in effect vindicates terrorist tactics. The report presents its findings as judicial determinations of guilt, despite its admission that it does not reach a judicial level of proof; it commits egregious legal errors, including unjustifiable assumptions regarding intent and commanders' states of mind, as well as misinterpretation of the willfulness requirement of responsibility under international law. [B]The report ignores Israel's own investigations into its conduct*[/B], overlooks the many independent levels of scrutiny in Israel's judicial system, misrepresents Israel's legal mechanisms and shows disdain for democratic values. The report makes one-sided recommendations against Israel while making only token recommendations with respect to Palestinians: for example, recommending Israel compensate Palestinians for attacks without recommending Palestinians compensate Israelis for attacks. The analysis concludes that the report claims to represent international law but perverts it to serve a political agenda; that it sends a "legally unfounded message to states everywhere confronting terrorism that international law has no effective response to offer them", and that it signals to terrorist groups "that the cynical tactics of seeking to exploit civilian suffering for political ends actually pays dividends". Which show how biased is the Goldstone report.[/QUOTE] Most of those points just makes Israel sound really butthurt about the report. [b]*[/b]: "But Judge, I'm innocent because I say so, how can you refute this?" Edit: Automerge :ninja:'d

You guys think that Israel is like one person. You do realize that when there are investigations, they are not done by the people who are being investigated. I suppose that when an American citizen is found innocent by an American judge, it's because he is American as well?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22604433]You guys think that Israel is like one person. You do realize that when there are investigations, they are not done by the people who are being investigated. I suppose that when an American citizen is found innocent by an American judge, it's because he is American as well?[/QUOTE] Until Israel stops jailing [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/12/04/israel-end-arbitrary-detention-rights-activist"]human rights activists[/URL] (Not flotilla) [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/12/04/israel-end-arbitrary-detention-rights-activist"]without trial[/URL], don't even compare Israel's judicial system with the United States'.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22604433]You guys think that Israel is like one person. You do realize that when there are investigations, they are not done by the people who are being investigated. I suppose that when an American citizen is found innocent by an American judge, it's because he is American as well?[/QUOTE] Yeah and those investigations are carried out by officials who want to preserve the credibility of their nation. Lol, no govt. will investigate itself and say they were in the wrong. Goddamn, I heard it's in Israel's culture to be bullheaded and unapologetic, is that just maybe the case with you? If so, we might as well give up.

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;22604616]Yeah and those investigations are carried out by officials who want to preserve the credibility of their nation. Lol, no govt. will investigate itself and say they were in the wrong. Goddamn, I heard it's in Israel's culture to be bullheaded and unapologetic, is that just maybe the case with you?[/QUOTE] I guess that's why that one Israeli judge sentenced all those Arabs to death in the apartheid state. Oh wait no, that was Goldstone in South Africa, my bad.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22604730]I guess that's why that one Israeli judge sentenced all those Arabs to death in the apartheid state. Oh wait no, that was Goldstone in South Africa, my bad.[/QUOTE] The guys who had murder charges? and is a capital offense in South Africa? If he's an "Arab-Slaughterer" like you're trying to make him out to be, why hasn't he written a more favorable report for Israel? You're grasping for straws at this point, that or you're either borderline retarded.

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;22604933]The guys who had murder charges? and is a capital offense in South Africa? If he's an "Arab-Slaughterer" like you're trying to make him out to be, why hasn't he written a more favorable report for Israel? You're grasping for straws at this point, that or you're either borderline retarded.[/QUOTE] I didn't mean that he was sentencing Arabs to death, but that he sentenced black people to death under the apartheid regime.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22604960]I didn't mean that he was sentencing Arabs to death, but that he sentenced black people to death under the apartheid regime.[/QUOTE] South Africa has the 2nd highest murder rate in the world, there are 52 murders there every day. South Africa also has capital punishment, you do the math.

Anyway the point is that officials don't always want to preserve the credibility of their nation. If this was true then you basically can't trust any nation on anything whatsoever. You are basically saying "Israel is biased because we say so", and I am saying "The Goldstone report is biased because of all the reasons listed [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldstone_report#Israel"]here[/URL]."

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22605507]Anyway the point is that officials don't always want to preserve the credibility of their nation. If this was true then you basically can't trust any nation on anything whatsoever. You are basically saying "Israel is biased because we say so", and I am saying "The Goldstone report is biased because of all the reasons listed [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldstone_report#Israel"]here[/URL]."[/QUOTE] So criticism comes from Israel and its only ally, okay. Looks like the rest agree with the report.

Now you people are coming to the brick wall that erects itself every time BurnEmDown is backed into a corner. Don't bother arguing with him. It's like arguing with a solipsist. Even if you win he'll still go "yes, but I think you're wrong. so you are."

So because not enough nations criticize it, it's right?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22605971]So because not enough nations criticize it, it's right?[/QUOTE] Yes, especially if it's just Israel and the US. I don't even need to explain why. I'm done arguing with you, it's of no surprise Israel has made no progress with peace, every Israeli I've met is incredibly bullheaded, close-minded, and unapologetic. (Yes, I've met some in RL and no I did not bring up Israel with them)