[QUOTE=johan_sm;25037467]You don't have a right to steal[/QUOTE]
no one has any rights.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;25037467]You don't have a right to steal[/QUOTE]
It's not stealing, someone has bought the game to upload it for others to download.
It's like communism in action.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;25038721]It's not stealing, someone has bought the game to upload it for others to download.
It's like communism in action.[/QUOTE]
Except we aren't living in a communist country.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;25038850]Except we aren't living in a communist country.[/QUOTE]
The internet isn't a country - Pirates live across the world.
Ug why do I have to have Suddenlink as my ISP? :suicide:
I use verizon. They have too many customers to be assed to hunt down everyone who downloads a [i]linux distro[/i].
I've never even heard of anyone I know getting a copyright infringement notice in my country, it's always the cousin of a sister of a father of a cousin's best friend's dog's earlier owner's father getting a notice and then everyone raves about it.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;25036333]Congratulations, that's what lots of pirates do, too - Try out software by downloading it before they decide to buy it.
Some people pirate because they can't afford it
Some people pirate something to try it out
Some people pirate because they can't find it elsewhere
And yes, some people pirate because they don't want to spend money.
There will always be pirates, no matter what governments try to do. But some are honest pirates, and that's not so bad. Hell, some pirate something only to buy it later, either because they liked it or in order to support the developers.[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah, this.
I pirated Quake 2, Doom 3, Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, Team Fortress 2, Diablo II, Unreal Gold, and others before buying EVERYTHING in those series. Pirating can be done right, you know.
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It is also worthy to note that companies can do things that make people buy their products. I am definitely not suggesting DRM, not in any lifetime. What I'm suggesting is something like online content of any sort.
Take Minecraft, for example. Notch releases oodles of fixes and content every week to the people who bought the game, while the people who pirated it are stuck with a single version of the game.
Another good example is any sort of multiplayer. Most games released nowadays with multiplayer have some sort of Anti-Piracy/Cheat system that pirates must work around. Even then, most can't play on many public and secured servers. VAC is a good example.
Incentives, my friends, incentives.
[QUOTE=drunkenmoose;25043629]Hell yeah, this.
I pirated Quake 2, Doom 3, Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, Team Fortress 2, Diablo II, Unreal Gold, and others before buying EVERYTHING in those series. Pirating can be done right, you know.
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It is also worthy to note that companies can do things that make people buy their products. I am definitely not suggesting DRM, not in any lifetime. What I'm suggesting is something like online content of any sort.
Take Minecraft, for example. Notch releases oodles of fixes and content every week to the people who bought the game, while the people who pirated it are stuck with a single version of the game.
Another good example is any sort of multiplayer. Most games released nowadays with multiplayer have some sort of Anti-Piracy/Cheat system that pirates must work around. Even then, most can't play on many public and secured servers. VAC is a good example.
Incentives, my friends, incentives.[/QUOTE]
One could argue online content is a form of DRM though.
Look at Command and Conquer 4, the game that put a bullet in the head of a great series.
EA Claimed it would have NO DRM whatsoever, then it's released with a permanent internet connection requirement.
People bitch about this new definition of "no drm, and EA claims it's so you can access scoreboards ingame
[QUOTE=Noth;25043968]One could argue online content is a form of DRM though.
Look at Command and Conquer 4, the game that put a bullet in the head of a great series.
EA Claimed it would have NO DRM whatsoever, then it's released with a permanent internet connection requirement.
People bitch about this new definition of "no drm, and EA claims it's so you can access scoreboards ingame[/QUOTE]
Oh right, that. :rolleyes:
Didn't Ubisoft do that with Splinter Cell: Conviction?
There are some games that aren't compatible with what most think of (good) online content, so I guess I find it understandable that they'd resort to that. That is a great way to make people pirate your game too.
There is only DRM because of people like you
[QUOTE=johan_sm;25035815]I did. Then I deleted it because it's a crappy software and pirated Maya instead.[/QUOTE]
I fixed it for you johan :3:
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25030251]Stealing has to deprive the original owner of the item.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=imadaman;25037593]Again, it's not stealing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;25038721]It's not stealing, someone has bought the game to upload it for others to download.[/QUOTE]
This is bugging the fuck out of me.
Larceny. It isn't larceny. Larceny deprives the owner of the original item.
Theft is just taking someone's property without their consent. That means that if the law defines X as belonging to a dude, and you take it, you're stealing X. Even if he has an infinite supply of X, it's still theft.
And what if a person has a wireless router, if you claim it's unsecured, how can they be sure you are the person who is doing the violations, any old person with a linux distro and a netbook could crack WEP and start torrenting over a network.
hey guys if copyright violation is stealing then why isn't it stealing in the courts.
if it was stealing, then why do the have two different offences.
if it is stealing, then why does the UK Theft Act define stealing as "A person shall be guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it."
[QUOTE=johan_sm;25035815]I did. Then I deleted it because it's a crappy software.[/QUOTE]
Oh so you're a massive hypocrite then.
This is what I was trying to argue in that other thread with all these stupid reacharound laws, that everyone is a hypocrite when they're against piracy, but it turns out the hypocrisy was blatant.
Beautiful.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;25030157]Suddenlink, customers!
None of them![/QUOTE]
:golfclap:
It's not stealing, but that doesn't make pirating a good thing.
Let's make a company that provides internet at a reasonable price and doesn't give two fucks what people do with it.
Any investors?
I'm in for a million...
wait. Make it two million :smug:
Pirates wouldn't be such a 'huge' problem if these companies that make the software didn't try and screw every last dollar out of their customers with nothing to back it up, namely microsoft.
Ive paid for every Valve game I have and im damn proud of it, because they don't price EVERYTHING and frequently hand out free and quite well made updates, while flaunting a somewhat unprofessional attitude with its customers like a friend to friend sort of thing.
[QUOTE=ntzu;25056797]Pirates wouldn't be such a 'huge' problem if these companies that make the software didn't try and screw every last dollar out of their customers with nothing to back it up, namely microsoft.
Ive paid for every Valve game I have and im damn proud of it, because they don't price EVERYTHING and frequently hand out free and quite well made updates, while flaunting a somewhat unprofessional attitude with its customers like a friend to friend sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
whereas microsoft only tries (and fails) at that sort of thing.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;25047987]This is bugging the fuck out of me.
Larceny. It isn't larceny. Larceny deprives the owner of the original item.
Theft is just taking someone's property without their consent. That means that if the law defines X as belonging to a dude, and you take it, you're stealing X. Even if he has an infinite supply of X, it's still theft.[/QUOTE]
But the [B]original[/B] copy of the pirated software belongs to the person who bought it.
It's their choice to put it up online for others.
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