Drag queens banned from Pride event 'because they may offend transgender people' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=draugur;48267705]And you're saying that drag queens aren't perfectly normal people or what? That's a great double standard to set if I ever saw one. [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] You're reading it too literally. Not literally every single trans person is the problem, but it certainly isn't any drag who is. Generally when someone refers to a group, they refer to the appropriate portion of the group but mention the group in general as an exclusion factor for context reasons. Though I do agree he should have worded it better. The problem comes from two groups: the hyper-toxic assholes with their planet dwarfing victim complexes (read: a majority of the posters on the first few pages of this thread) and the media for not being able to actually fucking comprehend anything more complex than an us vs. them setup in a situation. Drag queens represent the LGBT movement in a negative light in the same way that dogs represent all reptiles in a negative light. That analogy doesn't make coherent sense? Exactly.[/QUOTE] "Negative" was a bad term to use. Performance drag, and not normal everyday crossdressing, is absolutely playing on stereotypes. It's not that weird that a pride group would avoid paying people to celebrate stereotypes that could be perceived as being demeaning to trans people. You'd never see a black pride parade have a watermelon-eating contest front-and-center, paid for by the organizers. There's nothing wrong at all with drag queens or drag in general or crossdressing at all. The vast majority of drag queens are normal people - I'm not arguing that they're "weird" or "gross," I just think that paying people to dress in drag and perform [I]could be[/I] perceived as derogatory and stereotypical by some members of the trans community. I [I]personally[/I] see nothing wrong with it, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. In the end, it's the organizers' choice - it's still sorta stupid, but I can understand the reasoning behind the decision. It's not like they're going to disallow drag queens of any kind from [I]attending[/I] - if they did I'd be way more pissed. They're just not hiring them to perform.

There's nothing wrong with drag queens, every drag performance I've seen had an emphasis on being who you want to be and to not be ashamed of who you are. Most people have no problem with drag queens either and I've never heard of people thinking they're weird. Maybe it's different in America. Also trans people have bad PR because most media corporations either demonise them as being unwholesome or they don't know how to write about them and make them seem unusual. If you're getting pissed off at drag queens for making trans people "look bad" you're angry at the wrong people.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267237]Excuse me?[/QUOTE] What? They think being transgender is just some kind of cosmetic cool thing and are infamous for attacking and sending death threats to anyone (including actual trans people and [I]especially[/I] trans men) who believes that you need some kind of dysmorphia to be trans. Their stupidity is what spawned jokes like "I sexually identify as an attack helicopter" and "die cis scum" that some people have taken too far and started using to mock the trans community as a whole. Transtrenders are actually damaging the image of the trans community. So why are drag queens being seen as the threat?

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48267663] It's not their fault. There's nothing at all wrong with people dressing in drag. The issue is that they publicly represent the trans community and they're paid to do so, which is offensive to many trans people who would rather not be represented by a stereotype. Drag is fine. Misrepresenting the entire trans community by dressing in drag is not. Choosing not to hire them and to make a larger distinction between drag and trans is a positive thing from my point of view.[/QUOTE] Except transgender people represent the community, not drag queens. Its not their fault the media and general public is stupid and cant tell the difference between the two.

We should ban pantomime dames because they clearly exist just to piss off transgendered people

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;48265973]Pretty disgusting seeing some trans people here decide to rock on into the thread and let everyone know how disgraceful it is that people are daring to do something that makes them happy, and for some makes them more comfortable with themselves.[/QUOTE] pretty much this there is nothing wrong with drag queens and hating them is vile, especially with some of the reasons in here. "i hate drag queens because the media laughs at trans people by using drag queens"?? the fuck is that?

As a transman myself, I find it fucking appalling that the trans and nonbinary community think they have the right to do this. It disgusts me, honestly. Clearly, they have no idea what drag queens have done for the lgbt community, to help us have the rights we have today. Stonewall, anyone? This is disgusting and I couldn't be any more ashamed to be a trans person in this moment.

[QUOTE=Pernoccuous;48268328]pretty much this there is nothing wrong with drag queens and hating them is vile, especially with some of the reasons in here. "i hate drag queens because the media laughs at trans people by using drag queens"?? the fuck is that?[/QUOTE] I know that this has been said a ton already "as a trans", "as a trans", "as a trans" but really, I completely agree with you and think that this is absolute bullshit and am at an absolute loss for words as to what to say at this point, it's just such bullshit that people can think that because they are uncomfortable with something that someone else's rights should be taken away, it's bullshit that a minority of the community can make the rest look like bad apples, a few bad apples that think "Wah this person does something I don't like, take away their right" really hurts the image of the rest of the community, especially considering that the LGBT community has been fighting for rights that were taken from them that shouldn't have been taken in the first place, to think people FIGHTING for their rights are TAKING rights from OTHER PEOPLE absolutely disgusts me.

[QUOTE]there is nothing wrong with drag queens and hating them is vile, especially with some of the reasons in here. "i hate drag queens because the media laughs at trans people by using drag queens"?? the fuck is that?[/QUOTE] Why would a group people give a turd about how they look or treated by a society that doesnt respect them any way? This infighting and bitching is a sign of deep insecurity among the members of everyone involved. Which is funny because I found out what makes people intolerant in the first place is insecurity.

[QUOTE=fragger0;48267030]^this. Some of the attitudes towards drag queens in this thread are so fucking intolerant and disgusting it's making my blood boil. I'm amazed that trans people are discriminating against people who have personal preferences to dress up as women and express themselves in that way, what is it that makes you feel it's acceptable to discriminate against them? It's no different to discriminating someone because of their sexuality or gender I mean c'mon. Congratulations on finding a sure fire way for people to lose respect for the LGBT community.[/QUOTE] They're likely referring to mainstream portrayals like Hollywood. Films from that industry have poorly portrayed them imo.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;48269614]They're likely referring to mainstream portrayals like Hollywood. Films from that industry have poorly portrayed them imo.[/QUOTE] Why? because it's over the top and campy? That's because a lot of drag queens -are- over the top and act larger than life. That's part of the fun of it, that's the whole damn show. I'm real good friends with a few drag queens, and the one I know best, Zeb, is a 6'8" 300 pound dude who gets all dolled up and does all kinds of shows for charity and shit like that, and he's the most rediculously flamboyant dude I've ever met, way more than any film or anything like that has portrayed a drag artist :v: I feel like the fact that so many people in the LGBT community are speaking out AGAINST drag queens is just absolutely disgusting. 'Woo we've finally stopped society from discriminating against us! Now let's go discriminate against people because they enjoy their lives in a different fashion from us because we feel like it offends our personal beliefs!' It's hypocritical as all hell and anyone who backs that idea has lost any semblance of credibility imho [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;48267786] Performance drag, and not normal everyday crossdressing, is absolutely playing on stereotypes. It's not that weird that a pride group would avoid paying people to celebrate stereotypes that could be perceived as being demeaning to trans people. You'd never see a black pride parade have a watermelon-eating contest front-and-center, paid for by the organizers. [/QUOTE] you have clearly never been to a real drag performance my friend. if anything, drag artists try and avoid the negative stereotypes, and if they do use them, they do so in a way that say 'who the fuck cares if people think me being crazy over the top campy is wrong? you should just be yourself no matter what' [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] holy shit i just took a good read of the first few pages and it's really exposed how bad the vocal minority in the LGBT community can be. even here on fp, where people usually preach tolerance, the instant their personal beliefs are crossed suddenly the culture needs to be put down because its a 'mockery' shoutout to the fact that the lgbt social movement would be nowhere near where it was if it werent for the adoption and appreciation for drag culture since like, forever ago.

This is legitimately disturbing, For whats supposed to promote fairness and equality to start disapproving of cross-dressing, Just because they didn't have a expensive surgery, Didn't know this was a exclusive club, Will people start needing permission to act gay in the future to not offend anybody? This is unbelievably backwards, If this doesn't blow up in their faces the entire event would be a sham.

[QUOTE=wrv451nlp;48269876]This is legitimately disturbing, For whats supposed to promote fairness and equality to start disapproving of cross-dressing, Just because they didn't have a [B]expensive surgery[/B], Didn't know this was a exclusive club, Will people start needing permission to act gay in the future to not offend anybody?[/QUOTE] Why would drag queen get surgery? They are just entertainers who dress up as women and they can be completely straight too.

[QUOTE=Combine 177;48270060]Why would drag queen get surgery? They are just entertainers who dress up as women and they can be completely straight too.[/QUOTE] He is mixing up cross dressers with drag queens.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267162]Drag queens aren't an orientation or a gender. [b]Drag queens aren't a culture[/b] or a race. I can be an "arsehole" according to you but drag queens are one of the main reasons transgendered people aren't taken seriously.[/QUOTE] Ahahaha. Try telling that to people like John Waters or Ru Paul. In fact, the Drag scene has more culture, and is more like a culture then anything trans.

So I went to my Dads yesterday and we talked about old TV Shows and how Australia helped with some stuff, and he asked me if I saw The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, I said no and he showed the trailer for it. [video=youtube;MV-Zzasrky8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV-Zzasrky8[/video] And you know what he said to me? He said that it helped move the LGBT movement to the mainstream media. I was on the fence since he tends to over exaggerate stuff so I looked it up on Wikipedia and it says "The film was instrumental in bringing Australian cinema to worldwide attention[3] and for its positive portrayal of LGBT individuals, helping to introduce LGBT themes to a mainstream audience.[citation needed] The film has also been criticized for perceived racist and sexist stereotyping.[citation needed]" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Priscilla,_Queen_of_the_Desert[/url] SO he was right, it did help the movement. Also he said that a lot of the American companies the guy who wanted to make it said No because they didn't want to offend anyone. Now why do I bring this up? So assuming you haven't seen it and didn't look at the video or wikipedia article, it's about Drag Queens. The plot is about them spending 4 weeks traveling across the Australian Outback to get from Sydney to Alice Springs. So yeah, you guys on the first two pages can hate Drag Queens all you want, but you have to understand that without Drag Queens, the LGBT movement wouldn't have gotten this far so quickly.

Priscilla's performance at the Oscars was pretty much the turning point in the US entertainment industry, which in turn has fueled the kind of media we see today in support of diversity.

It also had Mr.Smith from Matrix in drag. What not to like?

I'd also like to mention Dame Edna. An Australian national icon. She's done a [i]ton[/i] of good for the LGBT community. Even the bogans love her.

[QUOTE=Crimor;48267225]Only in the same way as flaming gay people is one of the main reason why gay people aren't taken seriously.[/QUOTE] Lashing out at people for not using the right pronoun, constant worship of a stupidly intricate lexicon of meaningless labels and an overall tendency of acting holier than thou in internet forums are ways in which transgendered people have often discredited themselves; do note the lack of help from drags.

Reading those first two pages makes me feel like I've left Facepunch and entered some shitty forum. I mean yeah SH is usually bad but wow that's a new low.

This thread is basically some trans people complaining that no one takes them seriously because of drag queens while spouting out bigoted, prejudiced nonsense about how bad drag queens are... Drag queen culture is massive and has been around for a long long time & is a much bigger and well known culture than the trans culture. The real irony here is that their culture is all about acceptance and self expression - something that the trans community SHOULD be about but apparently isn't... some of the responses in this thread have really made me lose a lot of respect for the trans community in general to be honest, I actually feel sorry for the trans people that have posted saying even they can't believe some of the responses from other trans people.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48260999]Alright, that's it. Political Correctness has gone full circle. These "trans" people who clearly need therapy shutting down fun parades because they can't handle the banter. I'm gonna have to hide drives full of [i]Priscilla: Queen of the Desert[/i] in my crawlspace while hiding from Civil Protection in the coming years, aren't I? Goddamn.[/QUOTE] lol can you not put trans in scare quotes implying they arent really trans just because they did something questionable

[QUOTE=fragger0;48274212]This thread is basically some trans people complaining that no one takes them seriously because of drag queens while spouting out bigoted, prejudiced nonsense about how bad drag queens are... Drag queen culture is massive and has been around for a long long time & is a much bigger and well known culture than the trans culture. The real irony here is that their culture is all about acceptance and self expression - something that the trans community SHOULD be about but apparently isn't... some of the responses in this thread have really made me lose a lot of respect for the trans community in general to be honest, I actually feel sorry for the trans people that have posted saying even they can't believe some of the responses from other trans people.[/QUOTE] It's gotten so bad that I hesitate to answer honestly when someone asks if I'm trans, because I know how horrible the trans community is nowadays and I don't want to be associated with that.

[QUOTE=princeling;48283749]It's gotten so bad that I hesitate to answer honestly when someone asks if I'm trans, because I know how horrible the trans community is nowadays and I don't want to be associated with that.[/QUOTE] ive got no problem with anyone who fits underneath the LGBT banner, but i swear to god that entire social movement is a fucking cesspit sometimes, especially once you get out of the LGB part and into the more vicious parts of the movement.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;48284216]ive got no problem with anyone who fits underneath the LGBT banner, but i swear to god that entire social movement is a fucking cesspit sometimes, especially once you get out of the LGB part and into the more vicious parts of the movement.[/QUOTE] Nah, its just the LG bit. Bi, trans and everyone else are completely treated like shit by the LG.

[QUOTE=Swilly;48284371]Nah, its just the LG bit. Bi, trans and everyone else are completely treated like shit by the LG.[/QUOTE] T bit got it's fair share of vicious people too from what i seen

[QUOTE=Swilly;48284371]Nah, its just the LG bit. Bi, trans and everyone else are completely treated like shit by the LG.[/QUOTE] Oh, grow up. The trans community is just as toxic as the LG community.

[QUOTE=Swilly;48284371]Nah, its just the LG bit. Bi, trans and everyone else are completely treated like shit by the LG.[/QUOTE] There's dickheads whether they're straight cis people, or LGTBQIA, or none of the above.