Drag queens banned from Pride event 'because they may offend transgender people' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48261514]-words-[/QUOTE] This, a thousand times this. I am disgusted at how some Trans people here react to Drag Queens. You guys act like you want everyone to feel safe and you want everyone to get along, but apparently that isn't the case with some of you. Just because some people happen to do a stage show suddenly makes them pathetic, and offensive. For the ones who believe that, you guys are on the same level as the people who don't like Gays, Trans, Bisexuals, and so on. Just because someone wears a dress and goes on Stage doesn't make them any less than what you are.

[QUOTE=greasemunky;48261553]Sir, you appear to have never picked up a textbook on history before.[/QUOTE] What of Alexander, or the Romans? They lived without care for such things. The countryside was not hunted constantly for homosexuals. There were quips, of course, but when haven't we made fun of what others wear, and what they do? [QUOTE=Aldawolf;48261567]Is this how they teach people how to post? "I'm not using anything I found on yourlogicalfallacyis.com, I'm clearly good to go" Have you considered what you said is terrible[/QUOTE] Then what do you want me to do? Argue with my feelings, rather than with reason? You know how that kind of thinking goes. [QUOTE=Pascall;48261571]no I do not know what you mean I don't "argue" about these things because your stance on trans people is based around outdated information that can easily be improved by reading current studies on trans people and learning about them rather than saddling them into a label of "people who are lying about themselves" which drifts dangerously into the similar territory of things like blatant homophobia. It's a bigoted and uneducated stance and I have zero time or patience to go into something that can be easily explained with research and an open mind, neither of which you possess the desire to access.[/QUOTE] Do you really believe them? Do you look to what groups fund your sources for information that you choose to believe? Mind you, there are people who have proof that the Earth is flat, and that it is the center of the universe. Only a few minutes on the internet should tell you not to believe everything, and to question life itself. From Fox News to CBS, junk data preserved in all of it's triteness. If anything, it is indeed full circle for "trans" people to be offended by something which was seen as horrible in the days of yore. Not very progressive when you wish to censor what you consider "horrible", no? If anything, this is proof that this progress will only serve to exaggerate in the future, if it is left unchecked, restraining society as a whole so that a small group is not offended.

You guys keep saying how it's Drag Queens putting Trans in bad light, but you know who is putting you in bad light? The Media, and the way you act of course. The media is putting Drag Queens in bad light as well, The media isn't accurate, it can be bias and is bias with a lot of subjects, including Drag Queens. People find Drag Queens a joke, and poke fun at them, especially people in Media, and then they post those articles, and then you guys read them. Then you guys form a bias opinion, saying that they are what the media says they are when they really aren't. This was done with the LGBT, and people formed a bias opinion, and were saying that the LGBT is what the media says when they really weren't.

[QUOTE=Xonax;48262451]You guys keep saying how it's Drag Queens putting Trans in bad light, but you know who is putting you in bad light? The Media, and the way you act of course. The media is putting Drag Queens in bad light as well, The media isn't accurate, it can be bias and is bias with a lot of subjects, including Drag Queens. People find Drag Queens a joke, and poke fun at them, especially people in Media, and then they post those articles, and then you guys read them. Then you guys form a bias opinion, saying that they are what the media says they are when they really aren't. This was done with the LGBT, and people formed a bias opinion, and were saying that the LGBT is what the media says when they really weren't.[/QUOTE] Exactly. All of this information is garbage, junk. It distracts us from what is real. We must unite as a whole instead of letting the media place these "differences" onto us.

I can't take anyone seriously who uses "the days of yore" in their argument.

[QUOTE=Pascall;48262495]I can't take anyone seriously who uses "the days of yore" in their argument.[/QUOTE] Ad Hominem won't make you any more or less wrong. Argue, or continue making your quips, which shall earn you no leeway in your argument.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48262436]What of Alexander, or the Romans? They lived without care for such things. The countryside was not hunted constantly for homosexuals. There were quips, of course, but when haven't we made fun of what others wear, and what they do? Then what do you want me to do? Argue with my feelings, rather than with reason? You know how that kind of thinking goes. Do you really believe them? Do you look to what groups fund your sources for information that you choose to believe? Mind you, there are people who have proof that the Earth is flat, and that it is the center of the universe. Only a few minutes on the internet should tell you not to believe everything, and to question life itself. From Fox News to CBS, junk data preserved in all of it's triteness. If anything, it is indeed full circle for "trans" people to be offended by something which was seen as horrible in the days of yore. Not very progressive when you wish to censor what you consider "horrible", no? If anything, this is proof that this progress will only serve to exaggerate in the future, if it is left unchecked, restraining society as a whole so that a small group is not offended.[/QUOTE] If you're suggesting we return to Roman times there's a few unfortunate issues of; lack of social mobility, slaves, a largely uneducated lower class, a lack of political strength after the death of Augustus with emperors constantly being murdered, a justice system that fails to stop crime and a society without any form of official police too. As well as being at the whim of megalomanic leaders like Nero or Caligula.

So basically people in the LGBTQ community dislike people living a lifestyle that makes them uncomfortable, and feel that the group is somehow less morally pure than the rest of the people? And they should be shunned? Where have I heard that before.........

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48261329]A bigot for what? Wanting to hold people off from mutilating themselves because some fellow with a generic college degree told them it'll make them special? What's wrong with reaching into your inner self, and realizing you cannot change what you are? Why not be yourself, instead of lying?[/QUOTE] No one really has to argue with you when you dismiss evidence so quickly. No one has to argue with you at all because you've already drawn a line in the sand and said clearly "You'll need this much more evidence to pass MY test". But the thing is, logically, your arbitrary line is entirely fucking meaningless and not worth paying attention to. It is by definition, arbitrary. I'm not wasting my breathe arguing your line in the sand when you're going to act like an arbiter of what is evidence and what isn't.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48262518]Ad Hominem won't make you any more or less wrong. Argue, or continue making your quips, which shall earn you no leeway in your argument.[/QUOTE] i don't really care about leeway tbh nor am i really all that interested in talking and/or arguing with a pseudo-intellectual but i mean u do u

If trans women are claiming that drag queens are offensive to them, doesn't that mean that they're claiming that drag queens are also offensive to cis women as well? Because that is absurd.

[QUOTE=Purple Gecko;48262527]If you're suggesting we return to Roman times there's a few unfortunate issues of; lack of social mobility, slaves, a largely uneducated lower class, a lack of political strength after the death of Augustus with emperors constantly being murdered, a justice system that fails to stop crime and a society without any form of official police too. As well as being at the whim of megalomanic leaders like Nero or Caligula.[/QUOTE] I do not mean to return to all simple ways. I mean to reason to you. If those simple men could be so accepting, what makes us so different in such a decision? What makes it heretical, or revolutionary? There has been far too much extremism as of late, and people have recessed to two sides of a meaningless argument. This groupthink will not serve them any good, and will only drag moderates down, whilst those who are privileged and above any of this filth will benefit by funding folks such as Rush Limbaugh and Anita Sarkeesian, reaping what they sow. This shouldn't be happening.

[IMG]https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11745460_10207244593059629_812653426813800682_n.jpg?oh=b3fb195eb1b07fb7b1337b62c4a70c09&oe=561D9E71[/IMG] This was on their facebook, what a joke.

[QUOTE=SpartanApples;48262642][IMG]https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11745460_10207244593059629_812653426813800682_n.jpg?oh=b3fb195eb1b07fb7b1337b62c4a70c09&oe=561D9E71[/IMG] This was on their facebook, what a joke.[/QUOTE] Free* Pride

[QUOTE=SpartanApples;48262642][IMG]https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11745460_10207244593059629_812653426813800682_n.jpg?oh=b3fb195eb1b07fb7b1337b62c4a70c09&oe=561D9E71[/IMG] This was on their facebook, what a joke.[/QUOTE] I'm a tad confused, are they asking for Trans Drag Queens and Non Binary Caucus Drag Queens to message them? But Cis Drag Queens can't?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48262562]No one really has to argue with you when you dismiss evidence so quickly. No one has to argue with you at all because you've already drawn a line in the sand and said clearly "You'll need this much more evidence to pass MY test". But the thing is, logically, your arbitrary line is entirely fucking meaningless and not worth paying attention to. It is by definition, arbitrary. I'm not wasting my breathe arguing your line in the sand when you're going to act like an arbiter of what is evidence and what isn't.[/QUOTE] Look at these people you defend. Do they seem like they fight for freedom? Are they really liberal? Discriminating against those who were seen as rebellious in older times is irony in every way. It proves they are no different from the oppressors they fight in how tolerant they are of others.

These people are just sensitive and self-victimizing hypocrits. Holy shit. "Free Pride"...

Isn't this like an irony within an irony? Like an oppression within an oppression? Its really interesting to see how humans act sometimes over such silly things.

[QUOTE=Flumbooze;48262740]These people are just sensitive and self-victimizing hypocrits. Holy shit. "Free Pride"...[/QUOTE] Like I said, this extremism at both sides will only serve to divide us when we need to form together. Soon, they shall begin playing with how "equal" certain people are, and what we thought of as parody shall become truth, just like what is happening now. Mind you, some interest groups funding these kinds of festivals and such only wish for this activity to continue.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48262684]Look at these people you defend. Do they seem like they fight for freedom? Are they really liberal? Discriminating against those who were seen as rebellious in older times is irony in every way. It proves they are no different from the oppressors they fight in how tolerant they are of others.[/QUOTE] Frankly I'm fucking ashamed of everyone and anyone who attacked the drag community. That doesn't change the reality that trans people aren't wrong in having had their surgeries(you reference mutilation so I figure this is what you mean)

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48262807]Frankly I'm fucking ashamed of everyone and anyone who attacked the drag community. That doesn't change the reality that trans people aren't wrong in having had their surgeries(you reference mutilation so I figure this is what you mean)[/QUOTE] You should not believe in a commune of anything. Can't you see that dividing us by what makes us different is voluntary segregation? Gangs fighting among themselves instead of looking above at what drives them, controls them. A house divided against itself cannot stand, and the existence of this story alone disgusts me in how many people will argue over something so minor. Why even fight over a parade, a celebration? Why divide?

It may be that in 50 years, that drag queens will be seen in a similar light to Minstrel shows. This isn't 50 years from now though, and the way they are going about it reeks of prejudice.

The amount of unwarranted, blind and stupid transgender hate for drag queens in this thread is just horrible. So you guys seriously think that people who want to act like women in a over-the-top-fabulous-yet-ironic fashion is suddenly bad for your image? in what fucking way? In the way Pirates of the Carribean make all pirates glorious as fuck, or Fear and Loathing in LA shows how hilarious of an experience being a drug junkie is?

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48262919]You should not believe in a commune of anything. Can't you see that dividing us by what makes us different is voluntary segregation? Gangs fighting among themselves instead of looking above at what drives them, controls them. A house divided against itself cannot stand, and the existence of this story alone disgusts me in how many people will argue over something so minor. Why even fight over a parade, a celebration? Why divide?[/QUOTE] I'll be upfront with your pseudo intellectual ramble First off, we as humans, naturally divide into groups, with and against are natural elements in the human psyche as old as the human race itself. Dividing into "communes"(By the way, this is NOT the word for that as you mean "communities", not communes. Hence pseudo intellectual, you don't use whatever flowery word you want just because) is how we function at a basic level. Accepting, and acknowleding that we are actually different is, in my opinion, a fairly essential element to rational discourse. We're not the same, we're VERY alike, but we are not the same, and as both of us likely want to be seen as individuals rather than as a group, we acknowledge those differences. Doing so, in my opinion and likely in reality, is one of the ways we gain perspective. What you're asking, is the loss of all perspective. Plurality of views is a heavy topic to deal with, but it is also how we make sense of the world. If we don't acknowledge and accept what is different about us and our ideas, we can never, ever move forward. Those differences are the building blocks of our societies and our intelligence. Plurality of perspective. I agree that we shouldn't aggressively attack one another but I disagree whole heartedly with the assertion that people arguing over minutia or other details that they feel are important is wasteful or harmful. It is only so when it is taken too far. I don't feel like you're effectively communicating what you want to say to anyone when you use overly flowerly language. It doesn't work.

DohEntertainment, I agree with some of what you're saying but trans people can't be 'solved' with therapy in the same way gay people can't. Through brute force, the thoughts can be repressed, but that leads to major depression and a very high suicide rate. Recent research has suggested that trans people are biologically different from cis people due to processes which take place during foetal development, and their brains are closer to that of their preferred gender than their biological sex. Not all trans people choose to have surgery or even take hormones, and some indeed do choose to remain presenting as the sex they were designated at birth, but the issue is more complicated than 'wanting to be special'. Compare it, for instance, to somebody who was born without one of their legs, and it causes them constant discomfort and pain in everyday life. You could give them therapy to convince them that they were always meant to have one leg, but their brain is telling them that they should have two, so you're fighting an uphill battle. The hormones are essentially treatment, the painkillers to relieve the pain of the missing leg (although they do also cause physical changes as well as emotional ones). Surgeries are akin to providing a prosthetic leg which is controlled through existing nerve endings. Yes, the surgery requires 'mutilation', but it's with the individual's consent, and they'll find life much easier and more comfortable afterwards. Obviously that's slightly different, but I wanted to phrase it in a way that made it seem like more of a physiological issue than a mental one. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder currently, but many trans people are comfortable with how they think; they just want to change how they appear and how they're perceived by society.

Did I just read a bunch of gay and or transgender people being intolerant of people who are different to them? My god, we've actually come full circle. What a time to be alive. You should all feel absolutely terrible about yourselves.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48262973]The amount of unwarranted, blind and stupid transgender hate for drag queens in this thread is just horrible. So you guys seriously think that people who want to act like women in a over-the-top-fabulous-yet-ironic fashion is suddenly bad for your image? in what fucking way? In the way Pirates of the Carribean make all pirates glorious as fuck, or Fear and Loathing in LA shows how hilarious of an experience being a drug junkie is?[/QUOTE] I've seen a couple of people criticising drag queens here, but far more criticising the parade in the first place. I think drag queens are somewhat a point of contention, but most of the trans people I know ([I]as well as myself[/I]) don't have an issue with them.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;48263003]Did I just read a bunch of gay and or transgender people being intolerant of people who are different to them? My god, we've actually come full circle. What a time to be alive. You should all feel absolutely terrible about yourselves.[/QUOTE] When it comes to freedom of expression, I've found far-leftists as disgusting as conservatives.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48263040]When it comes to freedom of expression, I've found far-leftists as disgusting as conservatives.[/QUOTE] Let me tell you right now. I find myself to be pretty far left leaning in a majority of my views, and these people are [B]something else[/B].

People who express themselves might offend me, let's ban a whole group of people who express themselves so we can express ourselves better Really you can't do blanket bans like this, it doesn't help society progress at all. You can't be tolerant of only certain things. It's like saying "i'm better at being gay than you, or I'm being better at being a trans than you" Even if it's a cis person, you would think it would be sort of a compliment to the movement if someone gets in touch with another gender.