Drag queens banned from Pride event 'because they may offend transgender people' - Polidicks

Aren't drag queens an exaggeration/parody of females and not transgenders?

If you are trying to be technical with that definition then aren't all people who gender swap technically never their reverse gender? I mean its a game of lines and definitions that honestly kind of just gets confusing with all of the terminology thrown around. Can we just stick the idea that shitting on drag people because you dislike them as a group is horribly bigoted and hypocritical coming from this establishment?

[QUOTE=Coffee;48263593]Aren't drag queens an exaggeration/parody of females and not transgenders?[/QUOTE] They are not trying to be a parody of anything, they are just people who like to dress in drag in public.

Just proves my ignorance of LGBT stuff cause I didn't even know drag queens and transgendered people had beef with each other, I actually kind of thought they were one and the same only one is more flamboyant about it. From an outsider's perspective I don't see the problem with drag queens, I thought shit like Hedwig and the Angry Inch and stuff was giving more of a positive light but maybe that has nothing to do with trans people like I thought it did.

This is absolutely retarded. They're putting a blanket statement out about every single person who does drag. People do fucking drag from many reasons, such as wanting to identify gender just temporarily, or wanting to just wear different clothes just for a night. Yes, some people do actually use drag to perform an act that can target Trans people, but not all fucking do. All they're doing is just showing how intolerant fucks they really are and maybe even make me not want to support their movement? I mean, why should I support their movement if their movement certainly has racists and probable even sexists in there? In short, fuck them.

That's one small step backwards for man, one giant leap backwards for mankind.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48263560]What? Succumb to conformity, demand no change? Where are you pulling these left turns out of your ass from? Nothing you said there made any sense. I'm just pointing out that that stupid people who do stupid things are a problem, and you are trying to tie some weird pseudo-intellectual political ideology to it to push your weird agenda of an argument, don't include me thanks.[/QUOTE] Just accept that sometimes things need to change, but some tradition should stay golden, as well. That's all I'm saying. People go around preaching left and right ideals, but not believing in a compromise.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48263340]bis are just fake gays anyway this movement is for excluded and marginalized people, now get the fuck out normie[/QUOTE] fake gays, what? I'm bi, and I'm attracted to both sexes pretty much equally.

drag has been around for decades now and people do it for all different reasons. kind of a dumb ruling imo

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48263784]Just accept that sometimes things need to change, but some tradition should stay golden, as well. That's all I'm saying. People go around preaching left and right ideals, but not believing in a compromise.[/QUOTE] Everything should be analyzed properly, you cannot simply say specific things are golden, just because they worked. That's simply appeal to traditionalism. Also, good job throwing everything my boyfriend went through as "mutilation and medication" and throwing it under a bus.

[QUOTE=gufu;48263844]Everything should be analyzed properly, you cannot simply say specific things are golden, just because they worked. That's simply appeal to traditionalism. Also, good job throwing everything my boyfriend went through as "mutilation and medication" and throwing it under a bus.[/QUOTE] Sorry for showing concern for your health. If anything, using him as a device to argue with me is considerably disgusting without his regard.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48264006]Sorry for showing concern for your health. If anything, using him as a device to argue with me is considerably disgusting without his regard.[/QUOTE] My health? What? He's not a device. He is in fact a person who has made a decision on his own, and is happy with it, and you are trying to downplay it entirely as "mental problem that can be solved with therapy". Your comprehension of transgenderism is non-existent.

[QUOTE=gufu;48264026]My health? What? He's not a device. He is in fact a person who has made a decision on his own, and is happy with it, and you are trying to downplay it entirely as "mental problem that can be solved with therapy". Your comprehension of transgenderism is non-existent.[/QUOTE] You, and everyone else's health, more like. Also, how do you know he's happy? It's more likely for someone who has "transitioned" to have some personal problems develop worse than those who try to restrain from such a drastic measure with proper help from friends and family.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48260849]This. Aaaand this. I guess it could be chalked up to a difference in generations. A lot of kids nowadays don't know how hard it really used to be. There was no exposure in the mainstream media other than attack pieces and mocking. Drag is a way of bucking gender norms and saying that it doesn't matter how flamboyant I am because it's my life and I'll live how I like. It's also just fun to dress up sheesh. Get mad or something. This is beyond ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I agree with this fully, its absolutely ridiculous that any of this would happen as this has been going on for the longest time, crossdressing and shit is a typical thing. Whats even worse is that trans people have been saying stuff like " LET US NOT WEAR OUR BRAS AND BIKINIS IN SWIMMING POOLS AND LET US FLASH OUR BREASTS AND HAVE IT NOT BE SEEN AS SEXUAL!!!1 " Well then why did they go out of their way to ban drag queens from pride parades. It's getting to the point where they're going to ban anything that "Triggers" them and yet we're giving them so much freedom now they want to take away so much shit from other people. What has the world came to.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48264079]You, and everyone else's health, more like. Also, how do you know he's happy? It's more likely for someone who has "transitioned" to have some personal problems develop worse than those who try to restrain from such a drastic measure with proper help from friends and family.[/QUOTE] Except that he knows himself? As an individual to whom this pertains? And the fact that the people who do not actually transition are stuck being who they are not, and are thus unhappy with themselves. Sure, you can't apply this to everyone, but everyone should be free to decide what they want to do with their lives, and not be told off by someone who jacks off to Victorian era politics, which was literally upper class having dick and saber rattlings amongst themselves.

[QUOTE=gufu;48264137]Except that he knows himself? As an individual to whom this pertains? And the fact that the people who do not actually transition are stuck being who they are not, and are thus unhappy with themselves. Sure, you can't apply this to everyone, but everyone should be free to decide what they want to do with their lives, and not be told off by someone who jacks off to Victorian era politics, which was literally upper class having dick and saber rattlings amongst themselves.[/QUOTE] If you bothered to read my post, you'd understand I speak of even simpler times [i]before[/i] Victorian politics came into being.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48264243]If you bothered to read my post, you'd understand I speak of even simpler times [i]before[/i] Victorian politics came into being.[/QUOTE] Oh yea, the good times when slavery was legal pretty much everywhere, where people constantly warred for conquest, when women were chattel and need I go on?

[QUOTE=greasemunky;48264266]Oh yea, the good times when slavery was legal pretty much everywhere, where people constantly warred for conquest, when women were chattel and need I go on?[/QUOTE] So because such things don't exist anymore, we have to treat it like it never happened, and can't ever again?

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48264279]So because such things don't exist anymore[/QUOTE] They do, all three things listed still occur [QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48264279] we have to treat it like it never happened, [/QUOTE] Wait what, who's the one treating it like it never happened? You're the one who's talking about how glorious these times were. [QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48264279] and can't ever again?[/QUOTE] They will happen time and time and time again, the best we can hope for is that they keep diminishing. Just like the best we can hope for is that one day there won't be any sort of LGBT news because it will be normalized.

Being so PC that the PC people offend the PC.

Son of a bitch, this is the most depressing thread I've read in a while. The foundations of my personal tolerance and acceptance of lgbt stem almost entirely from drag queens. My uncle was a Rocky Horror security roadie. It was one of the most defining periods of his life. He still knows all the audience participation lines by heart, he still plays his custom song mixes absolutely filled with stuff like [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emFCNJBOBFI]"Bitty Boppy Betty"[/url] and "[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo9bKdIG_Yw]Freakin' at the Freaker's Ball"[/url] at any given opportunity, and I can to this day go online and find pictures of him and his old crew dressed up in the whole makeup-corsets-and-leather shebang. I grew up knowing all about my favorite uncle doing this. No attempts to mold disdain towards the usual lgbt targets in my little vulnerable kid mind could ever stick [i]specifically because[/i] of this. Why should I be upset at men who want to wear "girly" things, be attracted to other men, or become girls themselves? My uncle had stockings picked out to go with his beard, and he's the coolest guy I know! He went to awesome parties with tons of people across every part of the spectrum, and the only thing they caused were good times! Fuck; I've even thought about seeing what I could do for lgbt movements before, but every time I peek in on one I find something closer to self created prisons where people alternate between cowering in abject terror and lashing out at anything which makes the mistake of moving too suddenly than the inclusive camaraderie my uncle still reminisces about. Sometimes I wonder if he's kept up with events like this. But I'm too afraid to ask, just in case he hasn't.

[QUOTE=Vasili;48260717]More signs that the LGBT movement is just devolving into infighting.[/QUOTE] Yep. They can't even handle parody of themselves. It will just continue splintering and lapse into obscurity until the next wave comes around like a bad smell.

Trannies calling out men in drag for being weird. Hah, now that's funny [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("trolling, alt of ionuttzu" - Orkel))[/highlight]

A bunch of internet fucks arguing over who are the real fake women [highlight](User was banned for this post ("why reply?" - OvB))[/highlight]

I'm pretty shocked that so many trans people have so much disdain for the drag community. If anything I would have thought drag queens have helped the trans community with what they do. Over the years more and more straight people have warmed up to the idea of a man dressing up as a woman/vice versa, thinking "Oh, these people aren't so bad after all." I'd have thought that would have helped warm people up to being more accepting of a man [i]actually becoming[/i] a woman or a woman becoming a man. I can understand the trans community not wanting to be generalised as loud and flamboyant like drag queens generally are, but really that's more of a problem with the mainstream media choosing to lump the drag and trans community together than the drag community itself.

I know a few unbearable trans people that act despicable and hold god awful opinions when it comes to women/non trans people. I don't base my view of trans people on my experience with the despicable ones, the same way I don't base my views of drag queens on the horrible ones. You've got bad people that fall in to both groups, and it's incredibly dense to generalize them like the people on page one of this thread are. I've even seen a few trans posters posting in this thread throwing generalizations around or claiming that men in drag are disgusting/creepy/"wrong" and it's completely astounding to me to see them make such claims when they themselves have faced similar ones for believing their gender identity and born sex to be different. Trans people of all people should understand just how shitty it is to be generalized by a few bad/annoying eggs. If I were to summarize people in the transgender community based off of my interactions with a handful of them in real life or even here on facepunch from the transgender megathread, I'd be able to come up with a pretty disgusting summary. Men involved in drag don't all do it for the same reason, and it's frankly idiotic to believe that draq queens/men in drag as a whole are intentionally malevolent towards trans people or trans issues.

You know who else loves setting arbitrary definitions on what is acceptable in society? Exactly. [editline]21st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48265362]I'm pretty shocked that so many trans people have so much disdain for the drag community. If anything I would have thought drag queens have helped the trans community with what they do. Over the years more and more straight people have warmed up to the idea of a man dressing up as a woman/vice versa, thinking "Oh, these people aren't so bad after all." I'd have thought that would have helped warm people up to being more accepting of a man [i]actually becoming[/i] a woman or a woman becoming a man. I can understand the trans community not wanting to be generalised as loud and flamboyant like drag queens generally are, but really that's more of a problem with the mainstream media choosing to lump the drag and trans community together than the drag community itself.[/QUOTE] Yeah but how else are we going to fuel our victimization complexes and be the outcast minority if we're not artificially marginalized and unaccepted by most of society? Seriously, drag queens are alright, people just need to take their double standards and fuck off.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48260834]Because all they do is "Haha look at me isn't it bizarre that a man is dressing up like a woman?" and then they try to compare themselves to actual transgendered people. Drag Queens are fucking pathetic[/QUOTE] Way to generalize every drag queen, you can say the same about every other group in the lgbt community.

As a trans person, I don't got no beef with drag queens. Why would I? They do their own thing, I do mine. We're not related. Even though people might think we are, that's because people are fucking morons. That's not the fault of trans people or drag queens, and neither of us needs to go away because of it. Drag queens seem chill, fuck the haters.

its coming full circle now