Drag queens banned from Pride event 'because they may offend transgender people' - Polidicks

Pretty disgusting seeing some trans people here decide to rock on into the thread and let everyone know how disgraceful it is that people are daring to do something that makes them happy, and for some makes them more comfortable with themselves.

why can't people just accept others for who they are. i just wish i could wear cute clothes, i don't really give a shit about my gender, but some posts in this thread made me realize that i might get ridiculed by people who i thought would be supportive and it just makes me want to ignore these feelings all together

[url]https://medium.com/@keisisqrl/no-free-pride-glasgow-did-not-ban-drag-queens-ea62d745c7d5[/url] They didn't ban drag queens, they are just not hiring them as performers, drag queens are more than welcome they just chose not to hire any. It was also the organisers decision there wasn't any complaints from trans people it was just a "maybe we shouldn't hire drag queen performers this year"

[QUOTE=Ripmax;48266119][url]https://medium.com/@keisisqrl/no-free-pride-glasgow-did-not-ban-drag-queens-ea62d745c7d5[/url] They didn't ban drag queens, they are just not hiring them as performers, drag queens are more than welcome they just chose not to hire any. It was also the organisers decision there wasn't any complaints from trans people it was just a "maybe we shouldn't hire drag queen performers this year"[/QUOTE] What the fuck is with the recent trend on the internet of "x organization refusing to take part in y thing is violating my freedom of expression"? Way to stupidly blow another thing completely out of proportion, Facepunch.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48266351]What the fuck is with the recent trend on the internet of "x organization refusing to take part in y thing is violating my freedom of expression"? Way to stupidly blow another thing completely out of proportion, Facepunch.[/QUOTE]Not really, the problems are still there. The people, some I'm seeing right now, are still part of the problem. The bigotry that permeates this thread, especially the first and second page, hasn't gone away.

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;48265973]Pretty disgusting seeing some trans people here decide to rock on into the thread and let everyone know how disgraceful it is that people are daring to do something that makes them happy, and for some makes them more comfortable with themselves.[/QUOTE] Just the first page of the thread made me lose respect to lot of people i previously looked up to

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48266351]What the fuck is with the recent trend on the internet of "x organization refusing to take part in y thing is violating my freedom of expression"? Way to stupidly blow another thing completely out of proportion, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] Look at the first page of responses, it doesn't matter what the organization did, the sentiment is obviously there (at least on Facepunch).

Oh dear God these first two pages were awful

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48266351]What the fuck is with the recent trend on the internet of "x organization refusing to take part in y thing is violating my freedom of expression"? Way to stupidly blow another thing completely out of proportion, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] it isn't violating freedom of expression but i mean discrimination doesn't need to violate people's freedom of expression, i'm more upset at some poster's response in this thread to this than the actual news itself

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48266351]What the fuck is with the recent trend on the internet of "x organization refusing to take part in y thing is violating my freedom of expression"? Way to stupidly blow another thing completely out of proportion, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] The first page of this thread, combined with the facebook post: [IMG]https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11745460_10207244593059629_812653426813800682_n.jpg?oh=b3fb195eb1b07fb7b1337b62c4a70c09&oe=561D9E71[/IMG] In other words, you can't perform as a drag unless you're a trans as well. That makes it pretty bad. Seriously, I feel like trans people are now trying to be this exclusive, victimized club and not allowing others to celebrate with them? They're not making friends this way. It's not just not taking part, it's cancelling something because people were offended.

I don't know about the USA but British drag comedy is funny.

its a pride event you take pride in what you are if you're proud to be a drag queen/king then you should be able to attend

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;48261382]No. Further back. Way back. Before Victoria. Politics are a sham. Nothing but doling the populous to distract from what matters. It was the Age of Empires; when people didn't need papers to sell drinks, and one man lead a nation, not many, for your information.[/QUOTE] I'd be genuinely interested what time or dimension you are talking about exactly, since people haven't been at all less divided or apolitical than they are now, but you having suggested that transgenderism is a mental illness curable by therapy, having praised dictatorship and denounced all political discourse and dissenting world views in general, I'm pretty sure you're just making this shit up as you go.

[QUOTE=Flumbooze;48266617] That makes it pretty bad. Seriously, I feel like trans people are now trying to be this exclusive, victimized club and not allowing others to celebrate with them? They're not making friends this way.[/QUOTE] While it's true that trans people have been shafted pretty badly, I feel that some people in the community have developed a toxic victim complex that makes them extremely hostile, paranoid and honestly horrible people to be around, especially in the event that their feelings have gotten hurt. They seem to give more of a shit about whether or not you're marginalized or "privileged" than any other group I can think of.

[QUOTE=Flumbooze;48266617] In other words, you can't perform as a drag unless you're a trans as well. That makes it pretty bad. Seriously, I feel like trans people are now trying to be this exclusive, victimized club and not allowing others to celebrate with them? They're not making friends this way.[/QUOTE] ^this. Some of the attitudes towards drag queens in this thread are so fucking intolerant and disgusting it's making my blood boil. I'm amazed that trans people are discriminating against people who have personal preferences to dress up as women and express themselves in that way, what is it that makes you feel it's acceptable to discriminate against them? It's no different to discriminating someone because of their sexuality or gender I mean c'mon. Congratulations on finding a sure fire way for people to lose respect for the LGBT community.

wow seeing some of the 'progressive' people in this thread saying that drag queens disgust them as people is [I]shocking[/I] [B]if you're honestly saying that, you should be ashamed[/B] [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Judas;48260595]fuck drag queens and fuck drag culture as a trans person I wholeheartedly support this[/QUOTE] 'as a trans person i feel that i can pass judgement on a group of people that i dislike, but i'm allowed to do this because i'm trans' uh no, you're still being a complete arsehole i'm afraid

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[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;48267065] 'as a trans person i feel that i can pass judgement on a group of people that i dislike, but i'm allowed to do this because i'm trans' uh no, you're still being a complete arsehole i'm afraid[/QUOTE] Drag queens aren't an orientation or a gender. Drag queens aren't a culture or a race. I can be an "arsehole" according to you but drag queens are one of the main reasons transgendered people aren't taken seriously.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267162]Drag queens aren't an orientation or a gender. Drag queens aren't a culture or a race. I can be an "arsehole" according to you but drag queens are one of the main reasons transgendered people aren't taken seriously.[/QUOTE] Only in the same way as flaming gay people is one of the main reason why gay people aren't taken seriously.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267162]Drag queens aren't a culture.[/QUOTE] Drag queens aren't everyone's cup of tea (it's not mine either) but they've been around since forever. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267162] I can be an "arsehole" according to you but drag queens are one of the main reasons transgendered people aren't taken seriously.[/QUOTE] And yet transtrenders are nonexistent strawmen that can do no harm to how people see transgender people?

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;48267228] And yet transtrenders are nonexistent strawmen that can do no harm to how people see transgender people?[/QUOTE] Excuse me?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267162]Drag queens aren't an orientation or a gender. Drag queens aren't a culture or a race. I can be an "arsehole" according to you but drag queens are one of the main reasons transgendered people aren't taken seriously.[/QUOTE] No, transgender people are the main reason transgender aren't taken seriously. [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267237]Excuse me?[/QUOTE] Are you too daft to understand, is there some reading disability you need excused?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267162]I can be an "arsehole" according to you but drag queens are one of the main reasons transgendered people aren't taken seriously.[/QUOTE] Why is that the drag community's fault and not the media who mistakenly lumps trans and drag into the same basket? Anyone who knows the slightest bit about the LGBT community knows the difference, the problem is a lot of people [i]don't[/i] know the slightest bit about the LGBT community. Don't blame one group just for existing when the real source of the problem is completely elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48267162] I can be an "arsehole" according to you but drag queens are one of the main reasons transgendered people aren't taken seriously.[/QUOTE] How?

[QUOTE=Jame's;48266680]I don't know about the USA but British drag comedy is funny.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the drag comedy act in this country has always been somewhat like a figure, almost like a Jester, a Mime or a Clown, the age old character of the stubborn man begrudgingly made to dress as a woman, bonus points if they are fat, balding and have a moustache. And in those cases some lovestruck soldier or sailor or some other man will fall for them and hilarity ensues. And so as it stands over here most of the time when you see a guy in drag they are usually a "delightfully eccentric fellow" and are only ever a problem if they are obnoxious and genuinely annoying, but that could be said of anyone so that's neither here no there. The point is that I never lumped drag people, tans people or gay people into the same group, drag was just and "act" and people who did it on a day to day basis were kinda like street performers except it was as much for their own amusement as those around them.

[QUOTE=thisguy123;48267509]Yeah, the drag comedy act in this country has always been somewhat like a figure, almost like a Jester, a Mime or a Clown, the age old character of the stubborn man begrudgingly made to dress as a woman, bonus points if they are fat, balding and have a moustache. And in those cases some lovestruck soldier or sailor or some other man will fall for them and hilarity ensues. And so as it stands over here most of the time when you see a guy in drag they are usually a "delightfully eccentric fellow" and are only ever a problem if they are obnoxious and genuinely annoying, but that could be said of anyone so that's neither here no there. The point is that I never lumped drag people, tans people or gay people into the same group, drag was just and "act" and people who did it on a day to day basis were kinda like street performers except it was as much for their own amusement as those around them.[/QUOTE] It just plays on and reinforces negative stereotypes of trans people. Sorta like the entire "gay people talk this way and do that hand thing and are just like sassy black women!" Ends up generalizing a huge percentage of the population and reinforcing stereotypes. This is really the equivalent of a major black event saying "we're not going to serve fried chicken and watermelon this time." Drag queens are absolutely walking stereotypes. There's nothing at all wrong with their lifestyles, but it's understandable that a pride event focused on normalizing LGBT activities would view exploitation of negative stereotypes as something that shouldn't be promoted. Instead of saying "this is what trans people are like!" and hiring walking stereotypes to show that off, they say "trans people are just people of any sexuality and lifestyle and can do whatever the fuck they want like any other normal person" and decide not to hire walking stereotypes to negatively represent their pride event. Again, nothing wrong with drag queens. It's just very understandable why a pride organization wouldn't want to pay drag queens to publicly represent the LGBT movement. The major fighting point of the LGBT movement now is normalization - people no longer view homosexuality as a huge weird gross fetish, it's more "a guy likes a guy, ok" and it's done with. Hiring super stereotypical figures to represent trans people does the opposite of normalizing them. [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48267355]Why is that the drag community's fault and not the media who mistakenly lumps trans and drag into the same basket? Anyone who knows the slightest bit about the LGBT community knows the difference, the problem is a lot of people [i]don't[/i] know the slightest bit about the LGBT community. Don't blame one group just for existing when the real source of the problem is completely elsewhere.[/QUOTE] It's not their fault. There's nothing at all wrong with people dressing in drag. The issue is that they publicly represent the trans community and they're paid to do so, which is offensive to many trans people who would rather not be represented by a stereotype. Drag is fine. Misrepresenting the entire trans community by dressing in drag is not. Choosing not to hire them and to make a larger distinction between drag and trans is a positive thing from my point of view.

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48267332][B]No, transgender people are the main reason transgender aren't taken seriously.[/B] [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] Are you too daft to understand, is there some reading disability you need excused?[/QUOTE] Could you please explain this? Look, I'm pro-drag as an fyi and I think the people calling drag queens walking stereotypes of trans people are being at least a little bit silly, but I'm also trans and it's kind of rude for you to lump together all trans people in the exact same way that you're complaining about all drag queens being lumped together.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48267663] The major fighting point of the LGBT movement now is normalization[/QUOTE] And you're saying that drag queens aren't perfectly normal people or what? That's a great double standard to set if I ever saw one. [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jamsponge;48267684]Could you please explain this? Look, I'm pro-drag as an fyi and I think the people calling drag queens walking stereotypes of trans people are being at least a little bit silly, but I'm also trans and it's kind of rude for you to lump together all trans people in the exact same way that you're complaining about all drag queens being lumped together.[/QUOTE] You're reading it too literally. Not literally every single trans person is the problem, but it certainly isn't any drag who is. Generally when someone refers to a group, they refer to the appropriate portion of the group but mention the group in general as an exclusion factor for context reasons. Though I do agree he should have worded it better. The problem comes from two groups: the hyper-toxic assholes with their planet dwarfing victim complexes (read: a majority of the posters on the first few pages of this thread) and the media for not being able to actually fucking comprehend anything more complex than an us vs. them setup in a situation. Drag queens represent the LGBT movement in a negative light in the same way that dogs represent all reptiles in a negative light. That analogy doesn't make coherent sense? Exactly.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48267684]Could you please explain this? Look, I'm pro-drag as an fyi and I think the people calling drag queens walking stereotypes of trans people are being at least a little bit silly, but I'm also trans and it's kind of rude for you to lump together all trans people in the exact same way that you're complaining about all drag queens being lumped together.[/QUOTE] I don't think he's trying to say all trans people are easily outraged SJWs, he's saying that like any other group, there is a vocal minority among the trans community that makes the whole group look bad, whereas some people here are trying to put [i]all[/i] the blame on drag queens. Assuming that's his point, yeah he could have elaborated a bit.

I mostly lurk around Facepunch, but felt the need to reply to this. I don't understand why you would ban drag queens, because someone might become offended at a pride event. Yes, the media does overall a poor job when portraying transgenders, and often comparing them to drag queens. But that's not a reason to ban a whole group of people, who should imo also be presented at a pride event. I'm a transguy, but bullshit like this is why I have distanced myself from the LBGT group/movement. There's a lot of infighting in the LBGT movement, and in my experience inbetween transgenders in particular. It's ridiculous, just like this ban.