Old woman thrown out of own home by soverign citzen - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Binladen34;42283387]Sovereign citizen? Enemy combatant.[/QUOTE] At the current rate of things.. yes. They and their ilk will be the next great internal terrorist threat, mark my words.

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[QUOTE=MIPS;42283573]Best thing about drifters is that with no known family you can kill them, hide the body and nobody will ever come looking.[/QUOTE] uh...

[QUOTE=MIPS;42283573]Best thing about drifters is that with no known family you can kill them, hide the body and nobody will ever come looking.[/QUOTE] Remind me never to attend any FP meetup you are going to.

[QUOTE=Last or First;42282454]I love this. This fucker is claiming to be an independent entity and he can't even spell sovereign. "I AM A SOVRAN CITIZEN AND THIS IS NOW MY EM-BASSY, THIS AIN'T YOUR HOUSE NO MORE" And now I'm thinking of Mass Effect.[/QUOTE] Well.. if they don't want to agree to the rules of the government they shouldn't think that they actually have rights which can be applied in these circumstances.

sooooo why cant she just call the police on him?

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;42283895]sooooo why cant she just call the police on him?[/QUOTE] if somehow the property is actually considered an embassy now they can't enter the premesis granted one dude declaring war on canada for breeching that trust won't get very far

These sovereign citizen types are total douche bags. Through and through. I have had the "pleasure" of dealing with two of these morons at work. They are all big on how the system does not have any grip on them. However reality sets in when...oh, guess what. The system does have a grip on them... Their little movement shatters fairly quickly and they are quick to try to beg for a second chance. True story.

So if he claimed that house as his embassy... and forced the current owners out, is that not an... invasion? Not like a home invasion, but an [I]invasion[/I] invasion? I mean, he took land from an [I]actual[/I] citizen.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42285262]So if he claimed that house as his embassy... and forced the current owners out, is that not an... invasion? Not like a home invasion, but an [I]invasion[/I] invasion? I mean, he took land from an [I]actual[/I] citizen.[/QUOTE] I hope my country goes into the Imperialism business now.

[QUOTE=deathrat;42281912]You're thinking of Castle Doctrine and that depends on the state. This is in Canada.[/QUOTE] And on top of that it also doesn't fully apply to rental property in terms of regular checkups on said property by the property owner.

I have a family member who's a lawyer and apparently some of this stuff makes sense. When you take out a mortgage on a house with the bank for example, you sign a contract with the bank. You could technically go in there, ask for the original contract that you signed in ink and not a copied version. if they don't have it or cannot provide it within 5 working days, (they sometimes sell these contracts to bondsmen-the people who go after people who don't pay their mortgages) then the contract is null and void as the bank has sold the contract to someone else. As far as the law is concerned, you signed a contract with the bank, not the bondsman and if the bank broke their terms with you (my selling it to a bondsman, thereby transferring ownership of the contract to the bondsman) and the contract is null and void. Take this with a grain of salt though, dunno HOW legal it is to do that. probably a load of shit.

[QUOTE=RoflKawpter;42285558]I have a family member who's a lawyer and apparently some of this stuff makes sense. When you take out a mortgage on a house with the bank for example, you sign a contract with the bank. You could technically go in there, ask for the original contract that you signed in ink and not a copied version. if they don't have it or cannot provide it within 5 working days, (they sometimes sell these contracts to bondsmen-the people who go after people who don't pay their mortgages) then the contract is null and void as the bank has sold the contract to someone else. As far as the law is concerned, you signed a contract with the bank, not the bondsman and if the bank broke their terms with you (my selling it to a bondsman, thereby transferring ownership of the contract to the bondsman) and the contract is null and void. Take this with a grain of salt though, dunno HOW legal it is to do that. probably a load of shit.[/QUOTE] 'Freeman on the land' is a load of shite. The law applies if you're in a country, so if you want to be a freeman on the land you'd need to make your own country

[QUOTE=areolop;42281926]Walking into someones house claiming its now yours ends in one of 3 bad ways: 1. Shot and killed 2. Beat the living shit out of you 3. Arrested for B&R (Felony) No one gives a damn if you think the system doesnt apply to you because it does. If you're a sovereign citizen (in the US) that means you dont have US citizenship standards which means your rights are not protected under the constitution. In Canada; I dont think its much different[/QUOTE] The majority of laws are so called everyman's laws and are protected for all people including citizens. We have come a long long way from the greek antique standard. Ownership, life, right to religion and many others are typically such a right. [QUOTE=RoflKawpter;42285558]I have a family member who's a lawyer and apparently some of this stuff makes sense. When you take out a mortgage on a house with the bank for example, you sign a contract with the bank. You could technically go in there, ask for the original contract that you signed in ink and not a copied version. if they don't have it or cannot provide it within 5 working days, (they sometimes sell these contracts to bondsmen-the people who go after people who don't pay their mortgages) then the contract is null and void as the bank has sold the contract to someone else. As far as the law is concerned, you signed a contract with the bank, not the bondsman and if the bank broke their terms with you (my selling it to a bondsman, thereby transferring ownership of the contract to the bondsman) and the contract is null and void. Take this with a grain of salt though, dunno HOW legal it is to do that. probably a load of shit.[/QUOTE] Depends on the contract and the national contract law. But generally you can transfer such a contract, as long as the other party is informed of it in due and sufficient time.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42285569]'Freeman on the land' is a load of shite. The law applies if you're in a country, so if you want to be a freeman on the land you'd need to make your own country[/QUOTE] I'm reminded of the Petoria episode of family guy...

I can't believe people do things like this just because they can, much less that it's a growing movement across both the United States and Canada. This is just dickishness to such a high degree.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42282010]No, if she were to try something like that she'd be arrested. Disgusting, really, that she can't really do anything herself but call the police and wait, both for them and for the court case to be over when she inevitably sues this guy.[/QUOTE] Honestly, tenants need to be protected from abusive landlords too. That's why there's a standard eviction process that needs to be followed. 99% of the time, our laws strike a decent balance between the interests of both the tenant and the landlord. Cases like this one aren't justification to change the system to one more easily exploitable by the landlord. That being said, when an armed nutjob invades your property you'd think there'd be some way of sidestepping standard procedure

These sovereign citizens are batshit insane...and dangerous. Like those two guys, Jerry and Joseph Kane who killed two officers when they were stopped at a random checkpoint a couple years back. When you don't think any laws applies to you, then the consequences of your actions don't either. Very dangerous mind set.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;42286125]These sovereign citizens are batshit insane...and dangerous. Like those two guys, Jerry and Joseph Kane who killed two officers when they were stopped at a random checkpoint a couple years back. When you don't think any laws applies to you, then the consequences of your actions don't either. Very dangerous mind set.[/QUOTE] Well there's a reason the Sovereign Citizens Movement is considered to be a bunch of domestic terrorists in the US. A few more high profile cases and I imagine a similar thing will happen here. That being said I can see politics standing in the way. These guys are most definitely a fringe group but the conservative government isn't going to want to risk angering libertarians and splitting the right-wing vote.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42286197]Well there's a reason the Sovereign Citizens Movement is considered to be a bunch of domestic terrorists in the US. A few more high profile cases and I imagine a similar thing will happen here. That being said I can see politics standing in the way. These guys are most definitely a fringe group but the conservative government isn't going to want to risk angering libertarians and splitting the right-wing vote.[/QUOTE] lol since when do republicans care about angering libertarians?

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42285262]So if he claimed that house as his embassy... and forced the current owners out, is that not an... invasion? Not like a home invasion, but an [I]invasion[/I] invasion? I mean, he took land from an [I]actual[/I] citizen.[/QUOTE] Read the article. It says she rented the property out to him. Its not her primary residence. When she came to check on the property she found he gutted it basically. Then filed a lien against her for the work done to gut the house.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42285262]So if he claimed that house as his embassy... and forced the current owners out, is that not an... invasion? Not like a home invasion, but an [I]invasion[/I] invasion? I mean, he took land from an [I]actual[/I] citizen.[/QUOTE] Death by hanging.

The only bad thing I'm seeing here is that he 'skipped' the standard eviction process? If he legally owns the property and she was just a tenant, he can kick her out no-matter who she is. I'm understanding this right, aren't I?

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42286437]lol since when do republicans care about angering libertarians?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't know, considering Canada doesn't have Republicans. The United States doesn't have something called the Conservative Party either so I'm not sure what makes you think I was talking about the US.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42286654]The only bad thing I'm seeing here is that he 'skipped' the standard eviction process? If he legally owns the property and she was just a tenant, he can kick her out no-matter who she is. I'm understanding this right, aren't I?[/QUOTE] She owns the property. She rented it to the Sovereign Citizen guy.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42285482]I hope my country goes into the Imperialism business now.[/QUOTE] Lets do the British approach, dust off our [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Rainbow_(1891)]turn-of-the-20th century fighting ships[/url] and go [I]discover the shit out of him.[/I] :v:

[QUOTE]The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies "sovereign citizens" among domestic terror threats as anti-government extremists[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens[/url] [URL="http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/capabilities/fbi-swat-graphic"]Get wrecked shitbird[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42281820]If you want to know what the devil a sovereign citizen is, view the following link: [url]http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement[/url][/QUOTE] SOOOOOO basically a movement of complete douchebag assholes with retarded pseduo intellectual idealogies

[QUOTE=J!NX;42286977]SOOOOOO basically a movement of complete douchebag assholes with retarded pseduo intellectual idealogies[/QUOTE] That's growing, racist and violent.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42287232]That's growing, racist and violent.[/QUOTE] That's harsh this guys a real asshole... and there's a lot of them I think I'd just straight up not argue logic and tell them to fuck off and die or something this is exactly why the law exists, so dicks like this have no power.