DARPA successful in assisting Sarif industries developing artificial limbs - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Antdawg;41587126]I sometimes can't tell if some Facepunchers are being serious or not when they read things like this and want to have parts of their body replaced with artificial parts. I assume those that say this have perfectly functioning limbs and no physical disabilities. So I ask, why?[/QUOTE] It's already been documented that some aspects of artificial limbs actually augment your ability to use them - for the most part, the drawbacks outweigh these advantages, but in the future they will, perhaps, not. The advantages in question include the fact that they don't 'wear out'. You can pretty much run for miles in them, and there's no lactic acid buildup etc. Also, they tend to be more rigid than normal limbs - rock-climbers who have lost limbs pay testament to the fact that prosthetic limbs usually have a stronger hold on rocks, especially when they would be 'tired out' otherwise. I'll try to source that, thing is I forgot the name of the guy who confirmed it.

Imagine being able to get a bionic arm that is 4x better than yours in every way. Then within six months a new one comes out that is 6x better, and you can just replace it like you would a computer part. I'm still not okay with the whole brain-copying and cloning way of immortality so I'd gladly slowly replace every part of my body with stuff like this.

This is literally the core reason I want to work for DARPA. This specific thing. Ever sense I saw their stuff on the Proto-2 a long time ago, I decided I would do whatever I had to so I could be a part of their work. DARPA may be a part of the DoD, but the work they do is so far reaching and world-changing. Their work in the past is responsible for so much of our development now.

one of the Deus Ex HR devs was speculating that real-world advanced bionics and maybe even augmentations might be available in 2027, the year the game takes place. i thought that was a bit of an overly optimistic estimate, but with DARPA doing shit like this...

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[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;41587573]What you just described isn't transhumanism, it's that shallow and self-centered thing people who grew up with cyborgs in media think transhumanism is. Things break. Organs, machines, stars, doesn't matter. We will never "eliminate aging" and thinking you're part of a movement because you want to be immortal is ridiculous. Same for wanting super-powered limbs or any number of other "improvements" that are really just half-baked justifications for daydreaming about superpowers. Similarly any and all talk that starts with lopping limbs off ends with stupidity, nobody is ever going to trade nerds shitty fat-laden asses for shiny metal ones and it reflects a mindset still focused on classical notions of what constitutes a human. The future of mankind is not what a bunch of manchildren who played Deus Ex jack off to.[/QUOTE] Your argument is essentially "this won't happen because it makes me angry". [quote]nobody is ever going to trade nerds shitty fat-laden asses for shiny metal ones and it reflects a mindset still focused on classical notions of what constitutes a human.[/quote] the fuck does this even mean

[QUOTE=krail9;41587227]you didn't even answer the question [B]what benefits would high quality prosthetic limbs even give, and why would you want to undergo a multitude of costly and invasive procedures for it?[/B] have you ever thought to yourself: 'gee, I wish I ran on batteries and constantly had to worry about having power', or 'boy, I wish I had to perform time consuming maintenance just to keep my limbs running'? what if there's a blackout and you can't recharge, or you're stranded in the wilderness? also you can never go back since you'd literally be cutting your arms off, and even hundreds of years in the future prosthetics will never have the same amount of fine motor control and sense of touch/balance as your real limbs [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] honestly I think regrowing real limbs via stem cell reasearch is likely to be more successful by the time prosthetics are any good[/QUOTE] What benefit does esthetic medicine and surgery bring and why would you want to undergo a multitude of costly and invasive procedures for it? [QUOTE=LoLWaT?;41587699]The thing is, how long do you think it'll take before the general public will even have a chance to use this technology? Think about how long it'll take for this to develop into something functional and practical (or do those mean the same thing), then think about how high the cost of it all will be. I doubt just any average person would be able to afford it even in a few decades. They'd probably only be able to afford the equivalent of what we have today; which would be ancient by then.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be so certain. Just take a look cars and computer, mobile phones and a lot of other pieces of technology that just exploded in a sense.

Always when I se these artificial limbs and such I ask myself how well it handles energy. There's a battery hidden ofcourse but it still has to be little to have space for all the mechanics. Superhuman strength maybe but the energy used for that won't be as benefitial then having more of balanced system for endurance just like our body.

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587033]Man this stuff is so fucking cool. The first chance I get I'm replacing everything in my body with metal.[/QUOTE]You do realise you'd have no feeling whatsoever in the artificial limbs?

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;41587699]The thing is, how long do you think it'll take before the general public will even have a chance to use this technology? Think about how long it'll take for this to develop into something functional and practical (or do those mean the same thing), then think about how high the cost of it all will be. I doubt just any average person would be able to afford it even in a few decades. They'd probably only be able to afford the equivalent of what we have today; which would be ancient by then.[/QUOTE] rich electronic old men running the world, a new age for inequality i need to stop it with these Deus Ex jokes

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41588228]You do realise you'd have no feeling whatsoever in the artificial limbs?[/QUOTE] I'd give it less than a decade before we can simulate that.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;41588266]I'd give it less than a decade before we can simulate that.[/QUOTE]There are already a lot of good theories and experiments about how to make it happen.

weren't some guys experimenting with synthskin that reacts to touch just a few days ago? what if we wire that shit to nerves?

I wouldn't mind having a few small nano augmentations, such as speakers built within your head that eliminate the need for headphones, and you can also answer a call withour even taking your phone out, and some integration with your eyes that display notifications from your phone. The possibilities of nano augmentations.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41588309]weren't some guys experimenting with synthskin that reacts to touch just a few days ago? what if we wire that shit to nerves?[/QUOTE]It's a bit more complicated than that; we have to simulate exactly how the body's sense signals work. If we didn't, it'd be like trying to get a Windows program to run on Linux. I've no doubt that we'll eventually crack the secret, but it's not going to be ready for a while, since there's more than touch in our skin (pain and temperature are separate senses iirc)

I've always loved the idea of augmentations, but the risk of them being exploited would probably put me off them. I certainly wouldn't have speakers in my head, what if they start screeching loudly? It's great for disabled people, but if you've got a functioning body, you might aswell stick with it over something that might break or not be quite as reliable as your natural body parts.

I would exchange my eyes for the ones in deus ex,, along with all my internal organs, expect maybe not the brain. Mainly because of efficiency purposes at keeping me alive for longer periods of time

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587033]Man this stuff is so fucking cool. The first chance I get I'm replacing everything in my body with metal.[/QUOTE] [img]http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1336/91/1336918520399.jpg[/img] [B]There is only weakness in the flesh[/B]

[QUOTE=Antdawg;41587126]I sometimes can't tell if some Facepunchers are being serious or not when they read things like this and want to have parts of their body replaced with artificial parts. I assume those that say this have perfectly functioning limbs and no physical disabilities. So I ask, why?[/QUOTE] Because at some point this shit will be open to the public, it's practically guaranteed and to not get them simply because you don't need them is going to stop you from being able to compete for jobs when someone else can do the job 100 times more effectively due to upgrades. On top of that it's pretty much how we're going to adapt to our future.

I definitely see it happening in fewer than 100 years. We went from believing man would never fly to everyone casually flying across the world on a regular basis in less than 100 years. From computers being the size of entire houses to everyone carrying one around in their pocket in less than 100 years. Technology like this starts of slow, but once it picks up it advances at an incredible rate. [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;41588548]Because at some point this shit will be open to the public, it's practically guaranteed and to not get them simply because you don't need them is going to stop you from being able to compete for jobs when someone else can do the job 100 times more effectively due to upgrades. On top of that it's pretty much how we're going to adapt to our future.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there will be a massive moral debate when the time comes about removing perfectly healthy limbs just to replace them with synthetic counterparts.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;41588572]I definitely see it happening in fewer than 100 years. We went from believing man would never fly to everyone casually flying across the world on a regular basis in less than 100 years. From computers being the size of entire houses to everyone carrying one around in their pocket in less than 100 years. Technology like this starts of slow, but once it picks up it advances at an incredible rate. [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] I'm sure there will be a massive moral debate when the time comes about removing perfectly healthy limbs just to replace them with synthetic counterparts.[/QUOTE] There will indeed be a massive debate, and it won't mean a single thing because this will be done regardless.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;41587126]I sometimes can't tell if some Facepunchers are being serious or not when they read things like this and want to have parts of their body replaced with artificial parts. I assume those that say this have perfectly functioning limbs and no physical disabilities. So I ask, why?[/QUOTE] Being able to "feel things" is so Luddite.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41587662]one of the Deus Ex HR devs was speculating that real-world advanced bionics and maybe even augmentations might be available in 2027, the year the game takes place. i thought that was a bit of an overly optimistic estimate, but with DARPA doing shit like this...[/QUOTE] Well in the DX:HR story line they had soldiers with augmentations in 2016, which sounds pretty close to this story.

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;41588462]I would exchange my eyes for the ones in deus ex,, along with all my internal organs, expect maybe not the brain.[/QUOTE]having ANYTHING metal/synthetic/whatever artificial permanently inside my body would make me feel really uncomfortable. i mean you're a sack of soft squishy meat yet you have, like, a plastic stomach or liver? i have no problem with external stuff or small fingertip-sized implants but entire organs? i'd rather go for vat-grown 100% biological versions

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41588987]having ANYTHING metal/synthetic/whatever artificial permanently inside my body would make me feel really uncomfortable. i mean you're a sack of soft squishy meat yet you have, like, a plastic stomach or liver? i have no problem with external stuff or small fingertip-sized implants but entire organs? that's way too freaky for me[/QUOTE] Yeah but the organs wouldn't be obtrusive, they'd be pretty much perfect or they wouldn't be going inside people.

you can change your body, but you can not make me change my mind humanity first you bloody hanzer [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] i'll wait for nanoaugs

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587137]Why? Having super strength and the ability to run faster than any olympic athlete ever could sounds pretty awesome to me.[/QUOTE] Someone had too much Deus Ex.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;41589091]Someone had too much Deus Ex.[/QUOTE] what a shame

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;41587573]What you just described isn't transhumanism, it's that shallow and self-centered thing people who grew up with cyborgs in media think transhumanism is. Things break. Organs, machines, stars, doesn't matter. We will never "eliminate aging" and thinking you're part of a movement because you want to be immortal is ridiculous. Same for wanting super-powered limbs or any number of other "improvements" that are really just half-baked justifications for daydreaming about superpowers. Similarly any and all talk that starts with lopping limbs off ends with stupidity, nobody is ever going to trade nerds shitty fat-laden asses for shiny metal ones and it reflects a mindset still focused on classical notions of what constitutes a human. The future of mankind is not what a bunch of manchildren who played Deus Ex jack off to.[/QUOTE] wowee gee i've never seen a more incorrect post in my life

wonder why they make them arm shaped, why not like a tentacle? or an arm with more degrees of freedom? more fingers? claws?