DARPA successful in assisting Sarif industries developing artificial limbs - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RichyZ;41587139]i don't quite get why people are still developing humanlike limbs when they could be trying to make more useful or utilitarian ones yeah a hand with 10 small but strong grippy fingers might make you look a little rough but hey it works better[/QUOTE] Humans still outclass everything in adaptability, but the brain could use anything it can interface with.

In the future, you'll be happy if you accidentally lost a limb. Cuz then you don't have to pay those pesky limb removal fees to get your metallic replacement limbs.

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587137]Why? Having super strength and the ability to run faster than any olympic athlete ever could sounds pretty awesome to me.[/QUOTE] Running superfast would have the slight drawback of meaning any loss of balance will fuck your shit up. At regular human running speed you will ever reach a high enough velocity to actually hurt yourself much if you trip over. You're probably just going to fall hands first, get a few bruises and that's it. Not to mention you will fall right to the ground. If your legs and only your legs are replaced by bionic equipment that gives you the ability to run at say twice or three times the speed of a regular human being, then if you trip over anything at all, you will fucking destroy yourself.

run in a crash suit [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] subcranial gyroscope implantation

[QUOTE=Eltro102;41589306]wonder why they make them arm shaped, why not like a tentacle? or an arm with more degrees of freedom? more fingers? claws?[/QUOTE] with targeted reinnervation the whole point is that you use signals that would have went to the original limb and move the artificial limb in the same way, rather than using different muscles and some sort of coded control scheme--to the user it feels natural to use the new limb, and they don't have to think about how they want to move it, they just move it like a natural arm people don't have tentacles

[QUOTE=Eltro102;41589306]wonder why they make them arm shaped, why not like a tentacle? or an arm with more degrees of freedom? more fingers? claws?[/QUOTE] The first and foremost goal is to imitate a human limb as much as possible so amputees can have their limbs back. Fancy stuff like more degrees of freedom will come way later, when we can actually achieve a proper working human limb.

at the moment they haven't yet achieved the ability to move separate fingers, as well, they can only do whole hand open and hand close

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;41589376]with targeted reinnervation the whole point is that you use signals that would have went to the original limb and move the artificial limb in the same way, rather than using different muscles and some sort of coded control scheme--to the user it feels natural to use the new limb, and they don't have to think about how they want to move it, they just move it like a natural arm people don't have tentacles[/QUOTE] brains have massive plasticity, especially in scenarios like these - e.g. people with magnetic implants describe being able to separate their newfound sense from touch/pain (which the implants use to send signals) not to mention the proof-of-concept tentacle hand thing (not really an arm but w/e) some guy made [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Uber|nooB;41589379]at the moment they haven't yet achieved the ability to move separate fingers, as well, they can only do whole hand open and hand close[/QUOTE] afaik it depends on how much of an arm you have left, if you still have some vestige of the finger muscles (the ones in your forearm) then it is able to be sensed

[QUOTE=bdd458;41587200]I didn't ask for this.[/QUOTE] It seems people didn't see the Human Revolution joke in that, oh well.

[QUOTE=bdd458;41589465]It seems people didn't see the Human Revolution joke in that, oh well.[/QUOTE] oh don't worry everyone did

[QUOTE=bdd458;41589465]It seems people didn't see the Human Revolution joke in that, oh well.[/QUOTE] Nah they did, it's just been done so many times people are sick of it.

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587137]Why? Having super strength and the ability to run faster than any olympic athlete ever could sounds pretty awesome to me.[/QUOTE] And, uh, what would you do with it? Don't get me wrong, being strong and fast sounds neat and all, but how would your everyday life change at all if you could run a bit faster or lift a bit more weight, and would that change really be worth lopping off your appendages? We have, as a species, basically evolved past the point of survival of the fittest. Being the biggest and strongest monkeys in the tree doesn't really matter anymore.

[QUOTE=SilverSpectrum;41588362]and some integration with your eyes that display notifications from your phone.[/QUOTE] errgh can't...resist.... [I]my vision is augmented[/I] Why did I do that

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41589603]And, uh, what would you do with it? Don't get me wrong, being strong and fast sounds neat and all, but how would your everyday life change at all if you could run a bit faster or lift a bit more weight, and would that change really be worth lopping off your appendages? We have, as a species, basically evolved past the point of survival of the fittest. Being the biggest and strongest monkeys in the tree doesn't really matter anymore.[/QUOTE] Now, mind enhancement, that's where things get interesting.

[QUOTE=krail9;41587227]have you ever thought to yourself: 'gee, I wish I ran on batteries and constantly had to worry about having power'[/QUOTE] what is "eating" [QUOTE=krail9;41587227] 'boy, I wish I had to perform time consuming maintenance just to keep my limbs running'?[/QUOTE] what is "exercize" [QUOTE=krail9;41587227]also you can never go back since you'd literally be cutting your arms off, and even hundreds of years in the future prosthetics will never have the same amount of fine motor control and sense of touch/balance as your real limbs[/QUOTE] the op of this thread is a video where a man has a robot arm hooked directly to his nerves and is operating said robot arm with his nerves the thing taking place in the video is the big hurdle cyborg limbs needed to jump through before the real progress could begin. give it 20 years and we'll probably have cyborg limbs that are equivalent to human limbs or better plus your points about "recharging" as so backwards thinking it's ridiculous. you seem to assume that the only conceivable way of recharging is plugging in to a wall outlet. we have machines that can print stem cells and pizza, we can find an alternate method to fuel artificial limbs than just plugging yourself in as for "omg why would you do that your body is a temple," I would totally be down with scooping out my eyes and putting in some robot ones. my eyes do not work right. in a completely natural situation I would probably be dead because I can't see anything. thanks to modern technology, I can see just fine but putting two pieces of glass in front of my face. how would wearing glasses or contacts be any different than replacing my eyes with something that works better? [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41589603]And, uh, what would you do with it? Don't get me wrong, being strong and fast sounds neat and all, but how would your everyday life change at all if you could run a bit faster or lift a bit more weight, and would that change really be worth lopping off your appendages? We have, as a species, basically evolved past the point of survival of the fittest. Being the biggest and strongest monkeys in the tree doesn't really matter anymore.[/QUOTE] depending on how much you replaced and how far the technology has advanced, being an early adopter for cyborg technologies would probably pay for itself as unique job opportunities presented themselves granted most of these jobs would either be based in manual labor or private security, but you'd still be something in-demand and would probably be paid considerably more than a normal human

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;41587573]What you just described isn't transhumanism, it's that shallow and self-centered thing people who grew up with cyborgs in media think transhumanism is. Things break. Organs, machines, stars, doesn't matter. We will never "eliminate aging" and thinking you're part of a movement because you want to be immortal is ridiculous. Same for wanting super-powered limbs or any number of other "improvements" that are really just half-baked justifications for daydreaming about superpowers. Similarly any and all talk that starts with lopping limbs off ends with stupidity, nobody is ever going to trade nerds shitty fat-laden asses for shiny metal ones and it reflects a mindset still focused on classical notions of what constitutes a human. The future of mankind is not what a bunch of manchildren who played Deus Ex jack off to.[/QUOTE] We will develop the technology (hell, we already [I]are[/I] developing the technology) to make everything seen in Deus Ex a very realistic possibility. Likewise, the science to eliminate, or dramatically slow aging is something that is really just an inevitability. However, I think you're right in saying that most folks won't willingly go hack bits of themselves off just for the sake of having robot arms. And we will not (can not) see the end of aging for as long as we all live on planet Earth and have limited resources, because we are already overpopulated to the point where it's becoming very difficult to sustain ourselves. But the technology and science behind making these ideas a possibility is not that far-fetched. What we're much more likely to see than folks who intentionally remove a perfectly good limb to get some Neat-O robot bits (which, like I already pointed out, is essentially a pointless trade unless you for some reason need the ability to bend girders on a daily basis) is the emersion of wetware. We're talking small and minor alterations to add conveniences, features, or useful tools to the human body in non-intrusive and non-apparent ways. It's much easier to imagine folks being willing to attach a near-microscopic chip to their optic nerve in order to have an augmented reality experience akin to Google Glass than it is to imagine people replacing their eyes with Cylon scanner bars.

Fuck Jensen, where are my brazilian cyborgs full of electrolyte juice cutting cyborgs up like hams and smashing their spines? but seriously now, this is hela awesome.

I meet kids at work almost every day that are missing arms or legs. Seeing this makes me happy that one day they might, at the very least, have both arms and legs in some way.

[QUOTE=Agoat;41589804]I meet kids at work almost every day that are missing arms or legs. Seeing this makes me happy that one day they might, at the very least, have both arms and legs in some way.[/QUOTE] I must be confused, because I thought you were involved with 3D design and modeling programs for a living, and that sounds [I]way[/I] too hardcore for a render farm.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41589836]I must be confused, because I thought you were involved with 3D design and modeling programs for a living, and that sounds [I]way[/I] too hardcore for a render farm.[/QUOTE] Confused him with [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/members/member.php?u=72201"]Ajacks?[/URL] :v:

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41589836]I must be confused, because I thought you were involved with 3D design and modeling programs for a living, and that sounds [I]way[/I] too hardcore for a render farm.[/QUOTE] We sacrifice children to our computers to power them. :( I work at a popular theme park involving children's a popular children's toy. I can't specify my job exactly but I essentially move through the park and interact with kids. :j [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Profanwolf;41589865]Confused him with [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/members/member.php?u=72201"]Ajacks?[/URL] :v:[/QUOTE] That actually just confused me for a second too :P

[QUOTE=Profanwolf;41589865]Confused him with [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/members/member.php?u=72201"]Ajacks?[/URL] :v:[/QUOTE] Yep, that's probably who I'm thinking of!

[QUOTE=krail9;41587227]you didn't even answer the question [B]what benefits would high quality prosthetic limbs even give, and why would you want to undergo a multitude of costly and invasive procedures for it?[/B] have you ever thought to yourself: 'gee, I wish I ran on batteries and constantly had to worry about having power', or 'boy, I wish I had to perform time consuming maintenance just to keep my limbs running'? what if there's a blackout and you can't recharge, or you're stranded in the wilderness? also you can never go back since you'd literally be cutting your arms off, and even hundreds of years in the future prosthetics will never have the same amount of fine motor control and sense of touch/balance as your real limbs [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] honestly I think regrowing real limbs via stem cell reasearch is likely to be more successful by the time prosthetics are any good[/QUOTE] What makes you think that? Normal limbs need energy too, which we get by eating. Why wouldn't prosthetics be able to use the same energy source normal limbs do? Not all technology needs a lot of maintenance. What makes you think that prosthetics that don't need much (if any) couldn't be developed? Why would making prosthetics with fine motor control be impossible? Advanced ones are connected to the same nervous system as any other body part after all. Stem cell research might provide a way of regrowing human limbs, but I'm pretty sure machines could do better. [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;41587573]What you just described isn't transhumanism, it's that shallow and self-centered thing people who grew up with cyborgs in media think transhumanism is. Things break. Organs, machines, stars, doesn't matter. We will never "eliminate aging" and thinking you're part of a movement because you want to be immortal is ridiculous. Same for wanting super-powered limbs or any number of other "improvements" that are really just half-baked justifications for daydreaming about superpowers. Similarly any and all talk that starts with lopping limbs off ends with stupidity, nobody is ever going to trade nerds shitty fat-laden asses for shiny metal ones and it reflects a mindset still focused on classical notions of what constitutes a human. The future of mankind is not what a bunch of manchildren who played Deus Ex jack off to.[/QUOTE] You're throwing insults around, but you're really not backing them up. What is transhumanism then, according to you? Wanting super-powered limbs etc. is daydreaming about superpowers, sure. So? Would it not be awesome to have them? Do you think it's unfeasible? [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41588368]It's a bit more complicated than that; we have to simulate exactly how the body's sense signals work. If we didn't, it'd be like trying to get a Windows program to run on Linux. I've no doubt that we'll eventually crack the secret, [B]but it's not going to be ready for a while[/B], since there's more than touch in our skin (pain and temperature are separate senses iirc)[/QUOTE] You just defeated your own argument, bravo. [QUOTE=Joazzz;41588987]having ANYTHING metal/synthetic/whatever artificial permanently inside my body would make me feel really uncomfortable. i mean you're a sack of soft squishy meat yet you have, like, a plastic stomach or liver? i have no problem with external stuff or small fingertip-sized implants but entire organs? i'd rather go for vat-grown 100% biological versions[/QUOTE] That's kinda funny. You wouldn't notice the artificialness of internal augmentations, while having a silver arm is kind of obvious.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;41589091]Someone had too much Deus Ex.[/QUOTE] You can never have too much Deus Ex

sugar powered limbs are a pipe dream, there's no feasible source of glucose currently (glucose cells exist sure) apart from your spinal fluid and uh gl hf if you want an implant there

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;41587573]What you just described isn't transhumanism, it's that shallow and self-centered thing people who grew up with cyborgs in media think transhumanism is. Things break. Organs, machines, stars, doesn't matter. We will never "eliminate aging" and thinking you're part of a movement because you want to be immortal is ridiculous. Same for wanting super-powered limbs or any number of other "improvements" that are really just half-baked justifications for daydreaming about superpowers. Similarly any and all talk that starts with lopping limbs off ends with stupidity, nobody is ever going to trade nerds shitty fat-laden asses for shiny metal ones and it reflects a mindset still focused on classical notions of what constitutes a human. The future of mankind is not what a bunch of manchildren who played Deus Ex jack off to.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you being so god damn aggressive over nothing. Did you forget your meds or something?

Bleh If Deus Ex is any indicator I'll skip robot arms and go straight into NANOMACHINES doing the same thing for me but looking and feeling much sexier NANOMACHINES

[QUOTE=KorJax;41591437]Bleh If Deus Ex is any indicator I'll skip robot arms and go straight into NANOMACHINES doing the same thing for me but looking and feeling much sexier NANOMACHINES[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kNrIn8H32c[/media]

Personally I don't really like the idea of cutting my limbs off to replace them with mechanical parts. If I already lost a limb I would have zero issues with that. To be perfectly honest I think that the moment we get perfectly viable prosthetics, they are going to be adapted into exo-skeletons for people who still have all of their limbs. Would make construction working and military operations a whole different business.

[QUOTE=SwizzChees;41587844]Superhuman strength maybe but the energy used for that won't be as benefitial then having more of balanced system for endurance just like our body.[/QUOTE] Yeah you would be able to punch two times then have to sit there for like 20 minutes to get back energy. [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Agoat;41589876]I work at a popular theme park involving children's a popular children's toy. I can't specify my job exactly but I essentially move through the park and interact with kids. :j[/QUOTE] If you do a bad job do they drop you in the lake?