DARPA successful in assisting Sarif industries developing artificial limbs - Polidicks

I don't see what's wrong with organic augmentations, just because they're organic doesn't mean that they're not augmentations. Organic augmentations = still human non-organic augmentations = not human wat

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41588987]having ANYTHING metal/synthetic/whatever artificial permanently inside my body would make me feel really uncomfortable. i mean you're a sack of soft squishy meat yet you have, like, a plastic stomach or liver? i have no problem with external stuff or small fingertip-sized implants but entire organs? i'd rather go for vat-grown 100% biological versions[/QUOTE] The problem is that vat-grown and biological ones don't last. I most likely have what is called marfan syndrome. What this means, is that my aorta will probably eventually fail. I have more or less 3 options. I can get a pig or human transplant which will last probably about a year and then I have to get a new one, or I can get a shiny metal one that clicks that'll last a long-ass time. I can also get a mesh one, but it's rather untested so nobody knows how long they can last.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;41599711]I don't see what's wrong with organic augmentations, just because they're organic doesn't mean that they're not augmentations. Organic augmentations = still human non-organic augmentations = not human wat[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Usernameztaken;41599821]The problem is that vat-grown and biological ones don't last. I most likely have what is called marfan syndrome. What this means, is that my aorta will probably eventually fail. I have more or less 3 options. I can get a pig or human transplant which will last probably about a year and then I have to get a new one, or I can get a shiny metal one that clicks that'll last a long-ass time. I can also get a mesh one, but it's rather untested so nobody knows how long they can last.[/QUOTE]getting an aug out of necessity and getting an aug because you weren't satisfied with your puny human flesh aren't the same thing, is that hard to understand? i have absolutely no problem with people who get a replacement because they need it to live, but someone who chops off their arms just so they can get fancy robocopterminator augs and be superior isn't going to be a friend of mine

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41599923]getting an aug out of necessity and getting an aug because you weren't satisfied with your weak flesh aren't the same thing, is that hard to understand? i have absolutely no problem with people who get a replacement because they need it to live, but someone who chops off their arms just so they can get fancy robocopterminator augs and be superior isn't going to be a friend of mine[/QUOTE] why not I use modern medicine to enhance myself despite not "needing" it, does this make me less worthy of respect or something?

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41599923]getting an aug out of necessity and getting an aug because you weren't satisfied with your weak flesh aren't the same thing, is that hard to understand? i have absolutely no problem with people who get a replacement because they need it to live, but someone who chops off their arms just so they can get fancy robocopterminator augs and be superior isn't going to be a friend of mine[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that biological transplants don't last, not lopping off your limbs for getting cool shinies instead isn't dumb.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;41599938]I use modern medicine to enhance myself despite not "needing" it, does this make me less worthy of respect or something?[/QUOTE]i see where you're going with the enhancement thing but can you really compare taking pills to permanently bolting cyborg parts to your body? do i have to specifically point out that i'm talking about bionic enhancements, like, mechanical body parts, not some medicine? this isn't about enhancement in general, we're talking permanent additions or replacements [QUOTE=Usernameztaken;41599981]I'm just saying that biological transplants don't last, [B]not lopping off your limbs for getting cool shinies instead isn't dumb.[/B][/QUOTE]i understood what you meant the first time when talking about biological transplants, but what do you mean by the bolded part? i don't get it, isn't that what i was just saying?

[QUOTE=IdiotStorm;41587092]man screw this where are my artificial eyes[/QUOTE] I hope trials for them start soon, I wonder how you would get on a list, I have terrible eyesight so sign me up :v: [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;41599068]There have been massive periods in human history where technological advancement has been very slow, almost stagnant. Just because we're currently in a massive upturn doesn't mean its always going to be this way. [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] Why do you and others feel the need to point this shit out because its a video game, but you're more than happy to reference 1984 or brave new world to make your points?[/QUOTE] Seeing as how technology started rapidly increasing once the Industrial Revolution occurred, it's safe to presume we won't slow down, why should we? The periods you're talking about were hundreds-if not thousands of years ago. It's obviously harder to advance rapidly when you're using stone tools compared to what we use in today's time. [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Joazzz;41599923]getting an aug out of necessity and getting an aug because you weren't satisfied with your puny human flesh aren't the same thing, is that hard to understand? i have absolutely no problem with people who get a replacement because they need it to live, but someone who chops off their arms just so they can get fancy robocopterminator augs and be superior isn't going to be a friend of mine[/QUOTE] People who willingly get prosthetic limbs are idiots and you would never be friends with them? I wonder if you even have friends right now.

Seriously hope this stuff doesn't become a major pivot point in whether you're getting a job or not. I would like to stay as a meatbag thank you very much.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41599552]I can tell you're not very literate since you seem to miss even basic metaphors, much less acknowledge that fiction can reflect reality. People who lose their limbs due to genuine accidents are fine. It removes their disadvantage from people who still have their limbs. The limit is reached when people [I]willingly[/I] amputate themselves to "better" themselves with artificial limbs. You would be better off building robots from scratch instead of turning people into robots.[/QUOTE]Just because a work of fiction provides commentary on a situation or society does not mean it actually is accurate first of all. Second, this stupid "DA HOOMEN BODE IS A TIMPLE!" mentality is fucking idiotic. We have survived as long as we have and progressed as far as we have as a species because we decided to augment our natural capabilities with artificial implements. Our entire history is built off creating new technology do to the things we otherwise couldn't. Don't like technological progress? Then go live in the uninhabited Africa or South-America. Kill your food by hand. Eat it uncooked. Succumb to sickness and disease because you refuse modern medicine. The rest of society is better off without being held back by you. [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Joazzz;41599689]if you people are so extreme that you're going get a head start at the social segregation by labeling anti-augs "luddites" just because they prefer living flesh instead of cold dead metal, then i'm going to give you a new name too. something nice, like "robots", or how about "species traitors". as soon as this bionics thing starts going down the enhancement path i'll have to start studying EMP fields[/QUOTE]I call idiots who think like this luddites because it is an accurate term. Humanity is not defined by our flesh bodies or our limbs or anything like that. Its a far more pervasive and social thing. Its our ability to reason, to adapt, to empathize, to socialize. The core of what it means to be human has nothing to do with having flesh and blood. Ohh, and you're going to start studying "EMP fields"? What, are you trying to imply that you'd kill people who get augments? Yeah, you're really fucking nice. You'd the perfect fucking human. [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Joazzz;41600263]i see where you're going with the enhancement thing but can you really compare taking pills to permanently bolting cyborg parts to your body? do i have to specifically point out that i'm talking about bionic enhancements, like, mechanical body parts, not some medicine? this isn't about enhancement in general, we're talking permanent additions or replacements[/QUOTE]There is no distinction between them other than a superficial one of "Medicine is pills and shots, augments are robot demon limbs!" They both improve our quality of life and human capabilities beyond their natural limits. That is what both do, and that is the issue.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41602237]and that is the issue.[/QUOTE]no the issue here is that augmentations - nano, mech, bio, whatever they can come up with, all of them - are going to do nothing but expand the chasm between the rich and the poor; it's going to be a new age of inequality and segregation where people are classed by whether they have enhancements or not and what type and how many and in what parts of the body. if 'human augmentation' becomes common enough it's eventually going to affect people's chances of getting certain jobs for example. essentially, it's going to be the same old Money Talks story that's running the world today, but the money's talking voice is going to be even stronger than it already is and the screams of the less wealthy get drowned out. and once again the rest of the world can but weep while the augmented Western boot of diplomatic-and-economical-power-fantasy-made-manifest smashes the less developed countries flat [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;41601068]People who willingly get prosthetic limbs are idiots and you would never be friends with them? I wonder if you even have friends right now.[/QUOTE]yes people who cut out a part of their perfectly functional body to replace it with technological improvements to enhance themselves so they can be superior are "idiots", just like people who take things literally just to be picky little bitches

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41602237] There is no distinction between them other than a superficial one of "Medicine is pills and shots, augments are robot demon limbs!" They both improve our quality of life and human capabilities beyond their natural limits. That is what both do, and that is the issue.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked you don't remove parts of your otherwise perfectly healthy body when taking pills and shots

[QUOTE=Matrix374;41602307]Last time I checked you don't remove parts of your otherwise perfectly healthy body when taking pills and shots[/QUOTE]That doesn't make a difference. Seriously, it does not whatsoever. Like I said, you can only talk about the most superficial aspect of it. The stupidest possible thing you could say. Again, this idiotic "My body is a temple!" mentallity.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;41601068] Seeing as how technology started rapidly increasing once the Industrial Revolution occurred, it's safe to presume we won't slow down, why should we? The periods you're talking about were hundreds-if not thousands of years ago. It's obviously harder to advance rapidly when you're using stone tools compared to what we use in today's time. [/QUOTE] We may very well hit a "wall" if you will. For instance, the physical limitation on how thin the wiring within computer components can be. ( if we hit that though, everything will be amazing anyways but- ) Other examples like this must exist, you ask "why would we" when the problems we would encounter aren't exactly able to be predicted until we attempt to create something that simply isn't feasible. I do agree with you that the current upward rise will probably continue well into our life spans, but I don't believe humans aren't going to hit another stagnant era of technology just because we've accomplished the industrial revolution.

[QUOTE=littlefoot;41602319]We may very well hit a "wall" if you will. For instance, the physical limitation on how thin the wiring within computer components can be. ( if we hit that though, everything will be amazing anyways but- ) Other examples like this must exist, you ask "why would we" when the problems we would encounter aren't exactly able to be predicted until we attempt to create something that simply isn't feasible. I do agree with you that the current upward rise will probably continue well into out life spans, but I don't believe humans aren't going to hit another stagnant era of technology just because we've accomplished the industrial revolution.[/QUOTE]Scientific and Technological Advancement continues to grow at an incredibly exponential rate. Every day we learn and develop faster than the previous one. There may be a wall, but it is nowhere in sight at this point. [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Joazzz;41602294]stop acting like a child before you even start ok[/QUOTE]Speak for yourself.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41602315]That doesn't make a difference. Seriously, it does not whatsoever. Like I said, you can only talk about the most superficial aspect of it. The stupidest possible thing you could say. Again, this idiotic "My body is a temple!" mentallity.[/QUOTE] I don't believe pills and shots are designed to be permanent alterations to your body. There is a very profound difference and while I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point to suggest that they are both designed to improve your life, and therefor both on the same level of "unnatural" life improvements is kind of silly. A better example would be dentures perhaps.

[QUOTE=littlefoot;41602369]I don't believe pills and shots are designed to be permanent alterations to your body. There is a very profound difference and while I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point to suggest that they are both designed to improve your life, and therefor both on the same level of "unnatural" life improvements. A better example would be dentures perhaps.[/QUOTE]They even make dental implants that you can have implanted permanently in to your mouth. Fuckin' hanzers with their inhuman teeth.

I wanna wait until there's a modular version. Something like they chop off my arm and install a big dumb socket that I can plug several different augs into (a normal hand, a massive claw, power tools, etc). It only seems like a logical thing to make when you can build a proper nerve-to-servo interface.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41602350]Speak for yourself.[/QUOTE] edited the post to be more specific why does this thread have more active transhumanists than, eh, purists? [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] why don't you guys start a machine cult while you're at it

I really can't believe the people in this thread that say they'd trade their functional limbs for 'augmentations' are being serious. Get a fucking reality check.

[QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;41602617]I really can't believe the people in this thread that say they'd trade their functional limbs for 'augmentations' are being serious. Get a fucking reality check.[/QUOTE]well Dr. Zedacon at least might be serious judging by the little H+ symbol in his avatar

[QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;41602617]I really can't believe the people in this thread that say they'd trade their functional limbs for 'augmentations' are being serious. Get a fucking reality check.[/QUOTE] I don't think everyone wants to trade a functional limb for one. also this wants me to play Deus Ex: Human Revolution, brb.

[QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;41602617]I really can't believe the people in this thread that say they'd trade their functional limbs for 'augmentations' are being serious. Get a fucking reality check.[/QUOTE] It's only a matter of time before augmented limbs become better than real ones,I don't really see what's wrong with them wanting to change it. I personally,wouldn't want to do so though

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;41599068]There have been massive periods in human history where technological advancement has been very slow, almost stagnant. Just because we're currently in a massive upturn doesn't mean its always going to be this way. [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] Why do you and others feel the need to point this shit out because its a video game, but you're more than happy to reference 1984 or brave new world to make your points?[/QUOTE] The thing about technology and science is that the cycles on how quickly we can advance them shorten dramatically with every iteration. We can consider the birth of "modern" history to be the point when Rome fell. Its libraries were burned, and with them so was nearly all the collective knowledge of history, science, art, and technology up to that point. The human race backslid dramatically-- so completely that we fell into the period known as the Dark Ages. It's like we hit the reset button on our understanding of the world! Science, technology, and the arts fell by the wayside. It took a thousand years to rediscover everything that was lost; the period between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance. After the start of the Renaissance, however, the rate of advancement continued to climb, and not at a steady rate. The period of time between each major iteration of new technologies started growing shorter and shorter, and has continued to climb up until modern days. A hundred years doesn't sound like much in the advancement of technology when you consider that it took a thousand to rediscover what was lost with Rome, but consider where we were a hundred years ago today. The average life expectancy was fifty years old; running water and electricity was a rarity; telephones were an expensive luxury item; less than ten thousand people had a car (and the average speed limit was 10mph); the most advanced computers available were punch card machines; and everybody was still buzzing about the Wright Brothers' first manned flight. In this era, a hundred years of development is enough to completely change life as we know it. It's worth several thousand times as much as the rest of human history combined, as far as technological and scientific advancement goes. The only way that we will ever experience a period of prolonged stagnation again is in the wake of an apocalyptic event.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41599689]if you people are so extreme that you're going get a head start at the social segregation by labeling anti-augs "luddites" just because they prefer living flesh instead of cold dead metal, then i'm going to give you a new name too. something nice, like "robots", or how about "species traitors". as soon as this bionics thing starts going down the enhancement path i'll have to start studying EMP fields[/QUOTE] Species Traitors eh? Well you've officially killed all of your credibility in one swoop, well done.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;41602541]edited the post to be more specific why does this thread have more active transhumanists than, eh, purists? [editline]26th July 2013[/editline] why don't you guys start a machine cult while you're at it[/QUOTE]Because most people aren't ridiculous hold outs afraid of change. Throughout history there have been people who have said that the latest, ground breaking advancements should be banned, avoided, or whatever. Hell, some people thought the printing press should be banned because it degraded literature.

[QUOTE=littlefoot;41602369]A better example would be dentures perhaps.[/QUOTE] I don't see people purposefully yanking out their teeth to get dentures.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41603026]Because most people aren't ridiculous hold outs afraid of change.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that video games did this to you.

If you're so willing to trade your functioning limbs for metallic shells, why are you even born with them?

The fear of augmentation/bionics/cybernetics is nothing more than paranoia and an idiotic belief in a fictitious concept of human "purity" that has never existed and is more dangerous than any augmentation could ever be. You've already got people like Joazzz saying anyone who would get augmented is a "Species traitor" and that he would start studying "emp fields" like he's going to use them to take out anyone augmented. I mean, shit, that kind of "Species Traitor" stuff is literally the exact same language that racists use when describing interracial marriage. Calling them "Race Traitors".

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41603128]If you're so willing to trade your functioning limbs for metallic shells, why are you even born with them?[/QUOTE] Because people can't grow mechanical arms? What kind of retarded question is that?