Maybe men are just more afraid of child support than women are of having babies.
Lets play a game called "Look, men/man did something! Lets twist it somehow to make it look misogynistic."
Oh wait you guys are already playing.
[QUOTE=chaz13;44684464]I'd guess it's because it's a potentially traumatic procedure the women have to go to.[/QUOTE]
"I don't want to do it therefore no one should do it"
[QUOTE=draugur;44685056]What does that statement have to do with anything?
Sorry but emotional response doesn't account for an almost 20% change in opinion.[/QUOTE]
Sure it can.
From my experience, women seem to be against abortion a lot... except for that [i]one particular case[/i] where it's okay. Men just kind of say "yeah it's ok" or "no it's not"
[QUOTE=CyberHawk;44685192]Sure it can.[/QUOTE]
Well burden of proof is on you, so please provide the studies done that show inconclusively that women are both more emotional than men and links this emotional difference to opinions on sensitive topics like abortion.
It is fully more likely that the people responding to the survey/study were of the usual voting majority, which again, are older, more religious people than the younger generations, and of course in that sample, the majority of the women would say no to abortion, it's a very dead set topic in terms of religion based morality.
[QUOTE=draugur;44685313]Well burden of proof is on you, so please provide the studies done that show inconclusively that women are both more emotional than men and links this emotional difference to opinions on sensitive topics like abortion.
It is fully more likely that the people responding to the survey/study were of the usual voting majority, which again, are older, more religious people than the younger generations, and of course in that sample, the majority of the women would say no to abortion, it's a very dead set topic in terms of religion based morality.[/QUOTE]
So is it that they specifically polled more old religious women than old religious men, or is it that old religious men are ok with abortion? Keep in mind that they did take this from a number of surveys and they make it a point in the article that this isn't an anomaly but an overarching trend.
There is a difference in how men and women treat the topic emotionally though. Men can be completely distant with it mostly coming down to religion vs no unwanted children and letting women have a choice, simple enough. Not the same for women when the burden of that choice is on them, it's more between going on with your life and as some would put it [i]murdering your own children[/i]. Of course it's going to be harder and some won't be willing to make that choice, no need to explain it away to justify the narrative of men telling women what to do.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;44685281]From my experience, women seem to be against abortion a lot... except for that [i]one particular case[/i] where it's okay. Men just kind of say "yeah it's ok" or "no it's not"[/QUOTE]
Time for relevant and interesting anecdotes!
[url=http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html]"The only moral abortion is my abortion."[/url]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44685099]Lets play a game called "Look, men/man did something! Lets twist it somehow to make it look misogynistic."
Oh wait you guys are already playing.[/QUOTE]
Lets oversimplify the sex we're supposedly defending so we can avoid debate and blame the problem on the Patriarchy again.
Oh boy you guys are always 1 step ahead!
[QUOTE=Devodiere;44685423]So is it that they specifically polled more old religious women than old religious men, or is it that old religious men are ok with abortion? Keep in mind that they did take this from a number of surveys and they make it a point in the article that this isn't an anomaly but an overarching trend.
There is a difference in how men and women treat the topic emotionally though. Men can be completely distant with it mostly coming down to religion vs no unwanted children and letting women have a choice, simple enough. Not the same for women when the burden of that choice is on them, it's more between going on with your life and as some would put it [i]murdering your own children[/i]. Of course it's going to be harder and some won't be willing to make that choice, no need to explain it away to justify the narrative of men telling women what to do.[/QUOTE]
As to the first part, I do not know, I didn't conduct the study. It would be possible they had more young males in the survey than young females, which skewed the results. You really need a massive sample pool in this case, the fact they took this from a number of surveys isn't really helpful as they could have cherry picked results such as we see here.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44684705]so there is no such thing as societal attitudes having an effect on peoples opinions?[/QUOTE]
so how would you go about changing them exactly
To me, abortion is a genuinely complex issue. To simply label those you disagree with as brainwashed zealots or childish sluts is akin to plugging your ears while singing "I can't hear you." Yet that's often what happens.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;44686076]To me, abortion is a genuinely complex issue. To simply label those you disagree with as brainwashed zealots or childish sluts is akin to plugging your ears while singing "I can't hear you." Yet that's often what happens.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a lot to do with both the fact that abortion is a very heated topic in general: One side sees the opposition as actively trying to suppress a group's rights--the other sees it as a form of sanctioned murder against a helpless baby. You can only exaggerate things so much when you're debating whether or not a city should be able to legislate the size of drinks sold at McDonalds.
It's that as well as human tendency to mislabel the opposition into seeming more deplorable than they are, making it more black and white than the varying shades of grey it most likely is in order to ease ones conscience about it. Certainly easier to hold an opinion if you truly believe the opposition is entirely composed of misogynists or serial killers.
I thought it was a bit obvious since, yknow, females are the ones who have to endure such a treatment to their own body, as compared to males who can sympathize but not truly understand the same trauma.
[QUOTE=bdd458;44687607]Historically speaking, Evangelist Christians burst onto the political scene due to Roe vs. Wade, traditionally they had stayed out of politics. However, they were motivated otherwise and currently a large anti-abortion bloc. So it's not necessarily too far fetched to say that some of those women are Evangelist Christians.[/QUOTE]
Well, except for Roe vs Wade and its effect on Evangelical Christians not really having much impact on a study conducted in Britain.
[QUOTE=CyberHawk;44685012]women inherently are more emotional[/QUOTE]
I believe that it's been found that neither sex is more or less emotional, but men just show it less because it's a good thing to be stoic, they feel
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44685099]Lets play a game called "Look, men/man did something! Lets twist it somehow to make it look misogynistic."
Oh wait you guys are already playing.[/QUOTE]
ugh, the men directly do it thing was a joke, i only said that because someone decided to bring this being 'men's fault' into it when it wasn't even mentioned, but maybe that's because some men seem to have such huge persecution complexes that they'll ignore that i believe societal attitudes are perpetuated by both genders
[editline]1st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44686021]so how would you go about changing them exactly[/QUOTE]
how should i know? more education about abortion and safe sex?
[QUOTE=Craigewan;44688791]Well, except for Roe vs Wade and its effect on Evangelical Christians not really having much impact on a study conducted in Britain.[/QUOTE]
Didn't read the article, my bad.
In my opinion, the most interesting thing about this is that women tend to be much more liberal when it comes to general politics than men, but for some reason this topic is in direct opposition.
I can't help but assume that it comes down to women are the carriers of the fetuses and therefore have a much closer, and more intimate connection with it. I would bet that women who had been pregnant at some point in their life are MUCH more likely to be against abortion than those who have never been pregnant.
Use birth control and stop the problem before it begins? That way no one has to have an abortion or get upset. Just have safe sex.
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