AMD reduces the price of the Radeon R9 295X2 by 500 dollars - Polidicks

I fully agree with the OpenCL part. With Bullet and OpenCL, we could create realistic physics in games Still waiting for free renderer that can render fire and smoke in GPU though

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;45911901]Raytracing Capabilities =/= OpenGL polycount limits High end gaming cards, with their larger number of ALUs and are ussually as fast or faster for raytracing. Workstation GPUs are predominantly designed to handle enormous polycounts, but they suffer quite badly in their core clock speeds and number of cores, those two generally being the most crucial factors when raytracing with a GPU. GTX Titan series, and for some bizarre reason the GTX 580 currently have the best benchmarks in almost all cuda raytracing applicaitons, and possibly also cuda applications in general. Many small and more financially aware 3d production studios are using Titan stacks now instead of workstation cards because you can get like 3-4 Titans for the same price as a single k6000 With the advent of the fact that Pixar released OpenSubDiv to the public, polycount is going to matter even less as well as subdivision surfaces and tessalation have become drastically more efficient[/QUOTE] It's all relative though, you talk like amd is out of the game. It still depends on what you're doing. Sure, nvidia is dominating the opencl market with cuda but AMD's firepro cards generally offer better peak single precision floating point performance and memory bandwidth making AMD far stronger in AutoDesk (eg maya) or adobe products (eg premiere pro), etc. Let's not even mention CAD and engineering, computational mathematics, medicine, and finance that are FirePro family's traditional strengths. Depending on what you're doing, amd's cards are still highly competitive. Also, unless you want to spends a few thousand dollars on intel's extreme processors, AMD's eight core fx processors make great render cpus. The cheapest 8 core intel cpu is 1000 bucks, AMD is selling them for $150.

[QUOTE=double D;45910285]The card uses around 500 Watts? Holy shit[/QUOTE] Well they basically went balls to the wall and put two huge, power hungry high end GPUs on a single card, without sacrificing the clockspeeds or anything else in order to reduce the power consumption. They just said fuck it, we'll put liquid cooling on it and call it a day. Really that kind of power consumption is to be expected with such a card, it's probably about the same amount that two R9 290xs or 780tis would consume.

[QUOTE=aydin690;45911965]It's all relative though, you talk like amd is out of the game. It still depends on what you're doing.[/QUOTE] Alright, let me specify: If you're playing games, and if you're using OpenCL to execute very small kernel applications (cryptocurreny) AMD is in the game If you're playing games, rendering movies with CUDA, raytracing with CUDA, using OpenCL for huge tasks, using OpenCL for small tasks, production-ready raytracing with OpenCL, using PhysX with CUDA, using Bullet physics with OpenCL, running large kernels with CUDA, running large kernels with OpenCL, using any of the gimmicky bullshit in GeForce experience, then Nvidia is in the game. Don't take me for an Nvidia fanboy, I despise the fact that nvidia is using proprietary computing platforms and I'd spring for AMD prices in a second, but AMD simply does not offer any serious capiblities for anything other than gaming, or doing the simplest OpenCL tasks. There is simply no defense for AMD. They have no longterm plans and they are enabling Nvidia to establish a monopoly and delay cross-platform developments. You may like AMD hardware, but they are objectively doing an awful job of competing with Nvidia and they are putting all their eggs in one basket, it will destroy them, and consumers will get fucked. I'm not arguing against the fact that AMD are competive cards for the gaming market, but gaming is only one market. Nvidia has an array of serious markets, and AMD only has 1, maybe 2 serious markets at this point. They might not go bankrupt but they are going to shink as a company and Nvidia is going to expand, which is going to be bad for competitive pricing in other markets unless some other (GP)GPU manufacturer springs out of the blue.

Just compare AMD's firepro w8100 with nvidia's quadro k5000. Both of them are fairly affordable high end workstation cards (~ $2000) and in a lot of applications, w8100 is considerably faster. [editline]6th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;45912114] If you're playing games, rendering movies with CUDA, raytracing with CUDA, using OpenCL for huge tasks, using OpenCL for small tasks, production-ready raytracing with OpenCL, using PhysX with CUDA, using Bullet physics with OpenCL, running large kernels with CUDA, running large kernels with OpenCL, using any of the gimmicky bullshit in GeForce experience, then Nvidia is in the game.[/QUOTE] "nvidia's proprietary software is faster at gimmicky proprietary nvidia bullshit like physX" :downs: Sure, cuda cores are faster in some applications but AMD is still the king in engineering, computational mathematics, finance, etc. [QUOTE=hypno-toad;45912114]Don't take me for an Nvidia fanboy, I despise the fact that nvidia is using proprietary computing platforms and I'd spring for AMD prices in a second, but AMD simply does not offer any serious capiblities for anything other than gaming, or doing the simplest OpenCL tasks. There is simply no defense for AMD. They have no longterm plans and they are enabling Nvidia to establish a monopoly and delay cross-platform developments. You may like AMD hardware, but they are objectively doing an awful job of competing with Nvidia and they are putting all their eggs in one basket, it will destroy them, and consumers will get fucked. I'm not arguing against the fact that AMD are competive cards for the gaming market, but gaming is only one market. Nvidia has an array of serious markets, and AMD only has 1, maybe 2 serious markets at this point. They might not go bankrupt but they are going to shink as a company and Nvidia is going to expand, which is going to be bad for competitive pricing in other markets unless some other (GP)GPU manufacturer springs out of the blue.[/QUOTE] You have no idea what you're talking about. [URL="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firepro-w8100-workstation-graphics-card,3868.html"]Take a look at this benchmark and tell me AMD only has one market.[/URL] I work for a large engineering company and all of our workstations run firepro cards and recently 8 core amd cpus. We do computational analysis, CAD, and FEA. It's not because we are AMD fanboys, it's simply because AMD cards are faster than nvidia ones (unless you want to blow all of your budget on the k6000).

[QUOTE=aydin690;45912123]Just compare AMD's firepro w8100 with nvidia's quadro k5000. Both of them are fairly affordable high end workstation cards (~ $2000) and in a lot of applications, w8100 is considerably faster.[/QUOTE] (all workstation GPUs still worse and more expensive than gaming GPUs for GPGPU jobs) [t]http://media.bestofmicro.com/Z/O/382308/original/07-CUDA-03-Octane-01-DL.png[/t] (AMD hardware/drivers still lack the GPGPU capabilities which are becoming increasingly expected of workstation GPUs) [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/YR10eI.jpg[/t] This is a serious technical oversight, one which AMD doesn't seem to have an answer to. Year in, year out AMD is saying nothing, not acknowledging there's even a problem, and not fixing anything. It's a case of tunnel vision which is causing a lot of trouble for 3d technology developers and an oversight which has potential to bite amd in the ass in a few years if it is not addressed soon. Please spare me the ad hominem

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;45912370](all workstation GPUs still worse and more expensive than gaming GPUs for GPGPU jobs) [t]http://media.bestofmicro.com/Z/O/382308/original/07-CUDA-03-Octane-01-DL.png[/t] (AMD hardware/drivers still lack the GPGPU capabilities which are becoming increasingly expected of workstation GPUs) [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/YR10eI.jpg[/t] This is a serious technical oversight, one which AMD doesn't seem to have an answer to. Year in, year out AMD is saying nothing, not acknowledging there's even a problem, and not fixing anything. It's a case of tunnel vision which is causing a lot of trouble for 3d technology developers and an oversight which has potential to bite amd in the ass in a few years if it is not addressed soon. Please spare me the ad hominem[/QUOTE] No, you're the one that's not getting it and you're just repeating the same thing over and over again. Yeah, i know AMD's opencl support is ass and i said it myself but opencl is not the be all end all of GPGPU and computational analysis. A lot of programs don't give two shits about opencl (even graphical ones like maya) or most of the programs used in engineering, computational mathematics and finance. You're saying AMD's workstation cards are slow and useless and i'm just telling you that's not the case and depending on what you're doing they can actually be faster. But please keep posting cuda opencl benchmarks. Also, AMD's graphics department is actually very profitable and it's single handedly keeping AMD afloat. It's AMD's cpu division that's dragging the company down. Again, to reiterate myself because you're going to say that shit again and post cuda opencl benchmarks, if you're doing ray tracing and shit, use nvidia cards by all means but if you're doing other stuff, chances are AMD cards are just as fast if not faster (at the same price point).

For Gaming AMD's drivers are pretty much nothing compared to Nvidias.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;45913167]For Gaming AMD's drivers are pretty much nothing compared to Nvidias.[/QUOTE] Why do people still use this argument? I've not had a single driver issue with AMD for over 2 years. This is just an old argument which no longer is true.

Meanwhile in Australia.. [img]http://i.imgur.com/NsWpUNS.png[/img] (Granted the cheapest one is around $1700, not $2000)

[QUOTE=Tasm;45913959]Why do people still use this argument? I've not had a single driver issue with AMD for over 2 years. This is just an old argument which no longer is true.[/QUOTE] Yeah TBH Nvidias drivers are pretty crap for gmaing a lot of the time Ive had mount and blade warband get rendered unplayable on multiple occasions, and now tes: skyrim is freezing my computer frequently after my most recent driver upgrades`

[QUOTE=Boilrig;45913167]For Gaming AMD's drivers are pretty much nothing compared to Nvidias.[/QUOTE] I don't think the difference is all that big anymore.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;45913167]For Gaming AMD's drivers are pretty much nothing compared to Nvidias.[/QUOTE] as of recent they have problems but they are certainly usable. it's not as if nvidia's drivers are without problems