Russia recognizes passports from Ukrainian separatists, stoking annexation fears - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TestECull;51848616]So North Korea isn't a state? Because they sure as shit don't give a fuck about international law.[/QUOTE] they're a member of the united nations

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51848668]they're a member of the united nations[/QUOTE] States existed long before the UN

Well, they had to do something about it sooner or later. I mean, setting aside all that political bullshit, at the very least people there giving birth to new children or simply losing their passports just can't get any other IDs except for the ones issued by those so-called states. Basically becoming misters neverexisters with no recognized IDs whatsoever. Not to mention other juridical issues. Actually i don't have problems with recognizing their passports, though i have concerns about how well protected those passports are and how easy it might be to forge them

[QUOTE=Glent;51848690]States existed long before the UN[/QUOTE] sure, but this notion that north korea is somehow completely rogue and outside of international law isn't true

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51848457]From a purely humanitarian perspective, they would be better off joining Russia as it would allow the people more opportunity in terms of education and career.[/QUOTE] Yes, because I just happen to need [b]more[/b] fucking dirt poor regions for us to feed, since we're so god damn rich and taxes are not anywhere near high enough. Crimea causing my region to dick around for a couple of years with no infrastructure maintenance what so ever just wasn't quite enough, you know? From purely humanitarian perspective Putin should just fuck off with his "rebels" and his "Ukrainian civil war" and let Ukraine be.

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51848457]From a purely humanitarian perspective, they would be better off joining Russia as it would allow the people more opportunity in terms of education and career.[/QUOTE] from a humanitarian perspective everyone would be better off without russia

First Ukraine, then Poland, then Germany. Silly Russians are at it again.

[QUOTE=gudman;51849225]Yes, because I just happen to need [b]more[/b] fucking dirt poor regions for us to feed, since we're so god damn rich and taxes are not anywhere near high enough. Crimea causing my region to dick around for a couple of years with no infrastructure maintenance what so ever just wasn't quite enough, you know? From purely humanitarian perspective Putin should just fuck off with his "rebels" and his "Ukrainian civil war" and let Ukraine be.[/QUOTE] Miners*

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51849472]Miners*[/QUOTE] Whatever. I give a year at most before Putin brags about his 'strategic brilliance' like an idiot again, it's inevitable. Lol what miners, they were my troops all along haha, I'm just the best, am I not?

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;51848376]Oh yeah, I completely forgot worls lives and works on how Oxford defines it. No recognizes it as a state so it's not one.[/QUOTE] How about Taiwan? Is Taiwan an independent state, or just a breakaway province of the PRC? Put the international rivalry and emotion away. The Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics fulfill the functions of statehood - they have organized political structures, they control and defend territory, they pass laws, levy taxes, issue permits and documents, so on and so forth. Now they've received (defacto) recognition from their sponsor, Russia. Just because they aren't part of the international club doesn't mean they're not functional states.

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51848378]Russia apparently does...?[/QUOTE] Wow, would you look at that? It's another western teenager, living a cosy live in Canada of all places, but propagandizing for shit he doesn't understand to people that don't want it. Where have I seen this before? Stop fetishizing this awful regime and get a grip.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51853046]Wow, would you look at that? It's another western teenager, living a cosy live in Canada of all places, but propagandizing for shit he doesn't understand to people that don't want it. Where have I seen this before? Stop fetishizing this awful regime and get a grip.[/QUOTE] I'm simply saying that they're classified as states.. unsure how this is propaganda..?

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51853221]I'm simply saying that they're classified as states.. unsure how this is propaganda..?[/QUOTE] "I'm just asking questions..?" The only country that recognizes Luhansk and Donetsk as states is Russia. Do you see the problem here or would you like me to spell it out for you?

[QUOTE=Stopper;51853348] The only country that recognizes Luhansk and Donetsk as states is Russia.[/QUOTE] It doesn't though.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51853348]"I'm just asking questions..?" The only country that recognizes Luhansk and Donetsk as states is Russia. Do you see the problem here or would you like me to spell it out for you?[/QUOTE] Go for it..

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51849618]How about Taiwan? Is Taiwan an independent state, or just a breakaway province of the PRC?[/QUOTE] Technically the PRC was a breakaway province of the ROC.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51853348]"I'm just asking questions..?" The only country that recognizes Luhansk and Donetsk as states is Russia. Do you see the problem here or would you like me to spell it out for you?[/QUOTE] Don't worry, Bulgaria is next. Seriously tho, calm your tits.

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51858053]Go for it..[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-proclaimed[/url]

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51858435]Don't worry, Bulgaria is next. Seriously tho, calm your tits.[/QUOTE] You're not adding anything to the discussion by saying that.

[QUOTE=antianan;51853356]It doesn't though.[/QUOTE] Sorry, you're correct - I'm revising that to: The only country that interacts with Luhansk and Donetsk is Russia.

I'm just going to drop this here... [video=youtube;4AivEQmfPpk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AivEQmfPpk[/video]

[QUOTE=Ghost656;51858608]You're not adding anything to the discussion by saying that.[/QUOTE] Quite an ironic post. Anyway, I don't find problem with this. As already mentioned, what the fuck then happens to people who were born under Donetsk/Lugansk banners? Stateless?

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51858815]Quite an ironic post. Anyway, I don't find problem with this. As already mentioned, what the fuck then happens to people who were born under Donetsk/Lugansk banners? Stateless?[/QUOTE] They are citizens of the Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51858826]They are citizens of the Ukraine.[/QUOTE] Without utilities nor do they pay taxes to Ukraine..

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51861430]Without utilities nor do they pay taxes to Ukraine..[/QUOTE] Because they've been forcibly cut off from Ukraine by hostile factions trying to wage a war.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51853046]Wow, would you look at that? It's another western teenager, living a cosy live in Canada of all places, but propagandizing for shit he doesn't understand to people that don't want it. Where have I seen this before? Stop fetishizing this awful regime and get a grip.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Stopper;51853348]"I'm just asking questions..?" The only country that recognizes Luhansk and Donetsk as states is Russia. Do you see the problem here or would you like me to spell it out for you?[/QUOTE] There's nothing inherently good about a state - the world is filled with rotten states like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Syria and North Korea. Saying that Donetsk or ISIS or any other equally awful group which is performing the functions of the state is a state isn't pro-Russia or pro-anything and it certainly isn't "propagandizing."

[QUOTE=Glent;51863021]There's nothing inherently good about a state - the world is filled with rotten states like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Syria and North Korea. Saying that Donetsk or ISIS or any other equally awful group which is performing the functions of the state is a state isn't pro-Russia or pro-anything and it certainly isn't "propagandizing."[/QUOTE] I think people are just scared of legitimising shitty regimes. I think calling them a state doesn't legitimize them, especially if you go on to condemn their actions as a state. IS as a state simply shouldn't exist, I don't think anybody on facepunch would/could disagree with that.