Massachusetts female game developer forced to flee home after receiving death threats - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46224619]I think it's not that fair of a question because if Gamergate is about eradicating corruption from games journalism but they can't even eradicated it from their own movement, what credibility do they have? Occupy died because they couldn't keep the idiots out and everyone generally agreed that it was the fault of the organizers, or lack thereof. Gamergate isn't getting a pass either. For a group pushing that #notyourshield thing, they sure have a lot of people using Gamergate as their shield for terrible behaviour.[/QUOTE] The difference being that we're talking about Journalists, who have standards, and the general public; people like to act like gamers in particular are terrible people when they fall in line with the group that is "humanity," and that there are always bad apples. Nor do we tolerate such behavior. I can't speak for everyone but I try to call people out when they're falling out of line. Death threats are not to be acceptable. However, that's the problem with almost any movement; you're always gonna get some violent whackjobs. Also, I would argue that the lack of organization is what's gotten GG so far. A bunch of people chasing down their own leads, coming up with their own evidence on their own terms. It has been two months now, this has never happened before. I don't think if there was any organizational structure that this would have gotten as far because it would take all that chaos and point it in one direction, a direction that easily could have been shut down by the media. [QUOTE=Zeke129;46224641]Then why are people like Adam Sessler, people who are quite clearly video game enthusiasts (gamers), on those blacklists? [i]It's because they're not pro-GG[/i]. They did nothing to victimize gamers, they just chose the wrong side in this insane debate.[/QUOTE] [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2014-10/13T16-44-48.png[/img] [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2014-10/13T16-43-04.png[/img] He is decidedly Anti-GG. The live hack in question was a 4chan thread which, at the time, was actually full of people calling out people who were talking about harassing or hacking Quinn. When he was called out on this, he back peddled with "I was talking about the movie, guys." It's not that he respectfully disagrees, it's that he sat down and started drinking with the person in question and made up bullshit about watching live hacks or whatever sounded pithy at the time.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46224619] For a group pushing that #notyourshield thing, they sure have a lot of people using Gamergate as their shield for terrible behaviour.[/QUOTE] This is a problem with internet arguments, particularly when you pick Twitter of all places as the battleground. Any anonymous loser can put associate himself with gamergate and do any number of untoward things. I completely believe people who are anti-GG received death threats from people who ostensibly support gamergate. I receive death threats when I do really well in Battlefield and CoD. But you can't use these assholes to blame an entire movement that has gone out of it's way to tell people not to send death threats or be misogynistic. [editline]13th October 2014[/editline] I beleive Sessler falls into the same spot Jim Sterling currently is in. He has no problems being a consumer advocate when the target of ire is a massive faceless corporation or a no-name shitty indie title but as soon as the people he associates himself with are under attack he goes on the defensive.

Why her and not everyone else who gets death threats? Also you can see her on an MSNBC gamergate piece today to see what kind of person she is and ultimately decide for yourself.

[QUOTE=_Axel;46224728][img]http://i.imgur.com/chRvfs5.jpg[/img] Yeah, it couldn't be because of tweeting idiotic bullshit such as this.[/QUOTE] Also he compared gamers to (what are presumably) terrorists, or otherwise people who use chemical weapons. That too.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46224641]Then why are people like Adam Sessler, people who are quite clearly video game enthusiasts (gamers), on those blacklists?[/QUOTE] You know, can you actually link to/provide the so-called blacklist, if you are going to reference it so much?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46224581]Fighting the stereotype of being rabid by being rabid? If you don't tow the GG line and you're a moderately established game journalist you basically get blacklisted.[/QUOTE] fucking really? anyone who doesnt support A-GG gets fucking blacklisted. Boogie just came forward saying hes started to get blacklisted for review copies for games and different websites. Pile in the death threats and personal insults about his weight (which he has an extremely hard time to control because of a disease) and hes about done with everything. Hes been trying to keep it peaceful since day one but he can't take the abuse anymore from A-GG. Seriously, both sides have dickheads but the leads of the GG act a fuckload more mature than fucking A-GG dumbshit white cis leaders who parade around like they are the paragon saviors of pocs and other sexes/genders while being racist as hell and abusive as hell. I didn't even care that much until i realized how much fucking bullying is going on against people who are trying to keep things peaceful. Thats all ive seen with SJW mentality: 1. berate the person for an opinion, 2. blackmail/doxx/send death threats 3. make them conform to your ideas or keep doing step 2 till it happens.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46224220]I'd like to take a step to the side and just point this out, a lot of people have been doing this and it's been bugging me. This isn't how you argue. X is terrible, X is to be ignored, x is pretending, X should just look it up himself. If you're gonna refute him refute him with evidence and facts, not just dismiss the person talking and tell them to read it up themselves.[/QUOTE]Not that I'm disagreeing with you (I think you make a fantastic point) but isn't that what the corruption in game journalism thread is for? Isn't the OP literally RIFE with videos and evidence supporting GG? Not that I mind linking someone to said videos or articles, but why should I if they won't even read/watch it?

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46224847]Not that I'm disagreeing with you (I think you make a fantastic point) but isn't that what the corruption in game journalism thread is for? Isn't the OP literally RIFE with videos and evidence supporting GG? Not that I mind linking someone to said videos or articles, but why should I if they won't even read/watch it?[/QUOTE] It is but apparently we're an echo chamber when someone comes in without knowledge of either side and then posts something that's been thrown at us since day one and we get a tad angry.

Not trying to take a side here but I don't understand when people say that "4chan or 8chan doesn't support death threats related to Gamergate / are making the death threats!" Are people forgetting that there is more than one person on 4chan / 8chan? You can easily cherry pick posts to your advantage.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46224878]Not trying to take a side here but I don't understand when people say that "4chan or 8chan doesn't support death threats related to Gamergate / are making the death threats!" Are people forgetting that there is more than one person on 4chan / 8chan? You can easily cherry pick posts to your advantage.[/QUOTE] I think what they mean is that on these sites, when someone goes "Hey let's DDOS Quinn," is that like a million people come out of the woodwork to call them stupid. The vast, vast majority does not tolerate that shit.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46224821]Why her and not everyone else who gets death threats? Also you can see her on an MSNBC gamergate piece today to see what kind of person she is and ultimately decide for yourself.[/QUOTE] Because it certainly looks like that she is false flagging just to get her '10 minutes of fame'. Kinda like how Zoe Quinn keeps trying to make it look like it is all about her. [t]http://i.lightimg.com/27f4e83b.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46224878]Not trying to take a side here but I don't understand when people say that "4chan or 8chan doesn't support death threats related to Gamergate / are making the death threats!" Are people forgetting that there is more than one person on 4chan / 8chan? You can easily cherry pick posts to your advantage.[/QUOTE] Go on 8chan and brag about making death threats yourself if you want to see what people think of them.

[QUOTE=Jordax;46224921]Because it certainly looks like that she is false flagging just to get her '10 minutes of fame'. Kinda like how Zoe Quinn keeps trying to make it look like it is all about her. [t]http://i.lightimg.com/27f4e83b.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] on 8chan when the dox post went up, everyone told the OP to fuck off and that doxing wasn't welcome there, and brianna somehow picked up on it within a few minutes. There's no hard proof we have but everything is reaaaallly obvious. Not that it should matter. Very silly people give this kind of false flagging power.

The one question I have at the back of my mind is "Who can afford to move away in 2014 to prove a point?" like Anita and supposedly Wu did.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46225032]The one question I have at the back of my mind is "Who can afford to move away in 2014 to prove a point?" like Anita and supposedly Wu did.[/QUOTE]Well, really who can afford to just up and move at the drop of a hat anyway? Like, I can't imagine anyone can do that. Probably more a case of just moving in to a hotel room for a little while.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46225032]The one question I have at the back of my mind is "Who can afford to move away in 2014 to prove a point?" like Anita and supposedly Wu did.[/QUOTE] I assumed they had family/friends to stay with while the police investigate. This assuming that they actually called the police for legitimate death threats.

[QUOTE=Jordax;46224921]Because it certainly looks like that she is false flagging just to get her '10 minutes of fame'. Kinda like how Zoe Quinn keeps trying to make it look like it is all about her. [t]http://i.lightimg.com/27f4e83b.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] I don't affiliate, but that first part is fucked up. I think the Asshat part is sorta eh and can very VERY easily just be a spurious correlation. I tend to side with Pro-GG, but I won't actually use the tag because it either gets you abused or lobbed in with quite a few people. I do agree there is a large amount of corruption in the industry (both journalism and development), and that a lot of it needs addressed. I just wish there was a way to do it without being a public group, since that invites anyone and everyone, even the deranged.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46224769]The FBI was only involved with the CP being spammed to her and is entirely a whole different beast, not because of death threats. The death threats were just her local PD.[/QUOTE] I've already provided a source that says this is not the case. [editline]13th October 2014[/editline] And in response to the stuff about Sessler: at what point did he do anything beyond associate with Zoe Quinn? Did he review her game in exchange for perks of some kind? What did he actually do that constitutes a lack of journalistic integrity? What he does on his free time in a bar doesn't count - you need to demonstrate that he actually engaged in wrongdoing [i]as a journalist[/i] if you claim your goal is to call out journalistic malfeasance. Otherwise it's just assumptions and character assassination. Personal lives don't matter unless you can provide some kind of provable link to their work.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46225248]And in response to the stuff about Sessler: at what point did he do anything beyond associate with Zoe Quinn? Did he review her game in exchange for perks of some kind? What did he actually do that constitutes a lack of journalistic integrity? What he does on his free time in a bar doesn't count - you need to demonstrate that he actually engaged in wrongdoing [i]as a journalist[/i] if you claim your goal is to call out journalistic malfeasance. Otherwise it's just assumptions and character assassination. Personal lives don't matter unless you can provide some kind of provable link to their work.[/QUOTE]Neat ignoring the other posts that provided even more. But its not surprising at this point. Here's a secret: Its about his behavior overall, not just as a journalist which technically he no longer is.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46225360]Neat ignoring the other posts that provided even more. But its not surprising at this point. Here's a secret: Its about his behavior overall, not just as a journalist which technically he no longer is.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone really wants me to quote every post and respond to each and every one individually. It makes it harder for someone else to then respond to my response, and it gives the appearance of cherrypicking more so than just giving a general response to multiple people saying the same thing. You can argue about his behaviour all you want, and I'd even agree that he was inappropriate, but I haven't seen it leak into his journalism.

IIRC he actually left journalism before any of this really started so there's nothing to really boycott there. When he acted like that all I could do was express disappointment towards one of my favorite gaming journalists ever.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46225405]I don't think anyone really wants me to quote every post and respond to each and every one individually. It makes it harder for someone else to then respond to my response, and it gives the appearance of cherrypicking more so than just giving a general response to multiple people saying the same thing.[/QUOTE]Picking one response to single out about them is not cherry picking as opposed to responding to each one individually? [QUOTE]You can argue about his behaviour all you want, and I'd even agree that he was inappropriate, but I haven't seen it leak into his journalism.[/QUOTE]Because he's not a journalist anymore, as I said. He was one, stopped being one, and now its about his behavior as an individual. He's not entitled to respect or admiration, and when you act like he did, you will find many people no longer willing to provide you with either.

Didn't he leave Rev3 in June or something?

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46225439]Picking one response to single out about them is not cherry picking as opposed to responding to each one individually?[/QUOTE] I didn't pick one response, nothing was quoted, I responded to everyone at once.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46225248]I've already provided a source that says this is not the case. [editline]13th October 2014[/editline] And in response to the stuff about Sessler: at what point did he do anything beyond associate with Zoe Quinn? Did he review her game in exchange for perks of some kind? What did he actually do that constitutes a lack of journalistic integrity? What he does on his free time in a bar doesn't count - you need to demonstrate that he actually engaged in wrongdoing [i]as a journalist[/i] if you claim your goal is to call out journalistic malfeasance. Otherwise it's just assumptions and character assassination. Personal lives don't matter unless you can provide some kind of provable link to their work.[/QUOTE] People dislike Adam because hes a huge tool, no one gives a shit about him as a journalist at all in this, people just have been disliking Adam for awhile and now even more do. No one has even cared about him as a past journalist, it doesnt matter now.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46223334]Totalbiscuit strikes me as being fairly moderate, and pro-gamergate in the sense that he's for the hypothetical goal of gg - integrity and accountability in the video games industry, it's just that his livelihood requires pandering to his rabid anti-feminist anti-"SJW" audience. After all, if he didn't, he'd be one of the ones getting these death threats.[/QUOTE] Are you always this ignorant? [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;46223792]My favorite: "GamerGate isn't about misogyny! It's just a coincidence that 86% of the people we targeted happened to be women, and the 'evidence' we used to convict them in the court of Internet witch-mobbing just happened to be personal anecdotes!" And then there's the old "anything bad that happens that I disagree with is a false-flag" line, pulled straight from the conspiracy theorist's handbook.[/QUOTE] And then there's the good old "I'll just conveniently ignore every post that shows what an idiot I am"

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;46223151]The fact that [I]anyone[/I] gets that flustered is the issue; this isn't something restricted to video games, as much as people seem to want to pretend that it is.[/QUOTE] It's kinda impossible not to find a find people on the fringe in such a hugely widespread fanon as is gaming. The sheer amount of people just precludes it. And as usual, the fringes are the loudest.

I don't understand how anyone could entirely align themselves with either side. I however find it far more deplorable that the Anti-GG crowd can hide behind the facade of 'Social Justice' while stooping as low as they want without any media repercussions.

Never heard of her; what games has she made?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;46227999]Never heard of her; what games has she made?[/QUOTE] She's part of Giantspacekat, who made Revolution60 for the iOS