[QUOTE=Cuntsman;26142425]the US created the HIV virus to wipe out minorities and gays, LSD mind control experiments, they pardoned the Japanese scientists responsible for Unit 731, and the US is also committing genocide in the middle east
The Taliban just kills people that won't agree with them
there are even more crimes against humanity listed on Wikileaks, no other country besides Nazi Germany has done such things[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSeM2EVkDc[/media]
[QUOTE=Kazumi;26142197]I don't want to be rude or anything. I respect what you do. I'm just asking on what ground you claim this?
From what I understand, wikileaks have cencored some names of individuals that are believed to be put at risk. Only adding them in the documents that are sent to the EU and UN.
And even if the names were public. In a warzone I find it to be highly unlikely for the enemy to identify soldiers and even officers. I mean, I'm not a soldier and I haven't seen what you've seen. But I'm led to believe that finding a person in such a situation in a place like Iraq or Afghanistan is very difficult.
Are you absolutely certain that those deaths are not purely coincidental? Have people actually caught insurgents that got specific orders to kill a soldier or low ranking officer that were mentioned in those documents published by Wikileaks?
All I'm saying is that it is easy for the mind to interpret two unrelated events as if they were connected.[/QUOTE]
Transparency in a time of war is a massive personal risk to the soldiers fighting, especially when those soldiers are handling extremely delicate situations. We are UAV Operators, and our job description is in the title of our training courses, RSTA. It stands for reconaissance, surveillance, and target acquisition. But there's one more letter tacked onto the end, an invisible "E" that everybody knows about: Elimination. We are the assassins of the modern warzone. We find a target, track him for days, unseen and unheard, until we see an opportunity to strike, and then we pull the trigger. We can send a hellfire missile through somebody's bedroom window. We are responsible for the elimination of dozens of high-profile targets.
Our enemies aren't unaware, and they're not stupid. UAV operators are regularly targeted for what they do. Mortar strikes on ground control stations, heavy caliber machine gun fire focused on them during convoy travel, IEDs placed regularly along the routes which enemy intel discovers they travel. Protecting the secrecy of who was involved with what operations, what the goals of those operations were, and when those operations were to take place is critical in protecting the lives of everybody involved in them.
Wikileaks inarguably released critical and sensitive information to the world which endangers the lives of people who are positions like those which my friends and I volunteered for, and that information needs to be kept in a strictly controlled environment until the personal danger to those involved has passed.
Obviously I have a vested interest in the matter, and all the reason in the world for it. Yes, I believe secrecy in a time of war is absolutely necessary, and if I had to decide the fate of the men responsible for actively undermining the secrecy and security of my comrades, it would be a very dark day for them. You'd be hard-pressed to find a military man who'll say otherwise.
Correction: WikiLeaks: A Danger to the U.S. Government*
*The People will know everything! Oh noes! :v:
Shut the fucking site down. No really, it's not doing anything but exposing information that's even more sensitive than cold war espionage. Fuck you if you disagree. This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about the exposure of classified information that could lead to lives being lost.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;26143489]Shut the fucking site down. No really, it's not doing anything but exposing information that's even more sensitive than cold war espionage. Fuck you if you disagree. This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about the exposure of classified information that could lead to lives being lost.[/QUOTE]
not really.
i'm pretty sure cold war espionage would have caused nuclear war, so i would call that more sensitive.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26141660]I have been avoiding these threads like the plague for the simple fact that I, as a soldier with a Top Secret clearance who would be expected to perform delicate operations, have a personal interest in such matters, and as such cannot be expected to see this from any other point of view than the military one, but I have to weigh in just this once. WikiLeaks [i]has[/i] led to the specific and deliberate targeting of certain individuals and units, and people [i]have[/i] been killed as a direct result of it. My battle buddies and I unanimously agree that we want to see nothing less than treason charges for those responsible for WikiLeaks, because those men have directly contributed to the deaths of American people through their actions.[/QUOTE]
no ur rong lol down wit h america
Isn't the WikiLeaks founder Swedish? Anyways, WikiLeaks is okay when the documents are getting people killed. That being said, somebody's going to prison :cop:
[QUOTE=Killerjc;26143578]no ur rong lol down wit h america[/QUOTE]
yes
you totally burned those pinko hippys
keep up the good work
I think US incompetence is the biggest threat to National Security.
[editline]18th November 2010[/editline]
International Security, really.
[QUOTE=Deet;26143602]Isn't the WikiLeaks founder Swedish? Anyways, WikiLeaks is okay when the documents are getting people killed. That being said, somebody's going to prison :cop:[/QUOTE]
Australian, applied for Swedish citizenship, was turned down for allegedly raping some people.
The founder of WikiLeaks deserves a medal in my eyes. Exposing the grotesque truths behind the Iraq war and such had to be done to show people just how much bullshit they're being fed by the media. Fuck the absence of the tinfoil
the owner of the site is such an asshole seriously
dont rate me funny boy
I'm more concerned on how a private found out about 90'000 classified documents, if he did.
[url]www.wikileaks.com...I[/url] cant access it it takes me to a godaddy domain
[QUOTE=Extinct;26144040]I'm more concerned on how a private found out about 90'000 classified documents, if he did.[/QUOTE]
because he wasn't a private and was a member of military intelligence which deals with this stuff
"Army intelligence expert Bradley Manning"
[QUOTE=nemmises5;26144124][url]www.wikileaks.com...I[/url] cant access it it takes me to a godaddy domain[/QUOTE]
its wikileaks.org
I will proceed to make a visual interpretation of what the fuck wikileaks is doing:
[img]http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2010/5/0/rifle-891919618.jpg[/img]
Private Womack
23 confirmed kills
4 Civilian kills
Assisted in the capture of Afghanistan leader
Was in a search and destroy mission that raided a mosque
Please do not take any of that literally in any sense, i'm just trying to state a point of what wikileaks is doing. They are basically putting out rap sheets on people in the US military for the world to see. Now every enemy now knows who did what and now can easily target people.
[QUOTE=AutoTurret;26144158]I will proceed to make a visual interpretation of what the fuck wikileaks is doing:
bla bla bla
[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. This isn't what they're doing [b] at all. [/b]
[quote=wikileaks]"1.1 About WikiLeaks
WikiLeaks is a not-for-profit media organisation. Our goal is to bring important news and information to the public. We provide an innovative, secure and anonymous way for sources to leak information to our journalists (our electronic drop box). One of our most important activities is to publish original source material alongside our news stories so readers and historians alike can see evidence of the truth. We are a young organisation that has grown very quickly, relying on a network of dedicated volunteers around the globe. Since 2007, when the organisation was officially launched, WikiLeaks has worked to report on and publish important information. We also develop and adapt technologies to support these activities.
WikiLeaks has sustained and triumphed against legal and political attacks designed to silence our publishing organisation, our journalists and our anonymous sources. The broader principles on which our work is based are the defence of freedom of speech and media publishing, the improvement of our common historical record and the support of the rights of all people to create new history. We derive these principles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In particular, Article 19 inspires the work of our journalists and other volunteers. It states that everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. We agree, and we seek to uphold this and the other Articles of the Declaration."[/quote]
[quote]The action taken by the WikiLeaks crew is undoubtedly a reckless and politically motivated attack on the U.S. Government and those defending [b]liberty[/b] in Iraq and Afghanistan.[/quote]
Right, because everything the U.S. Army and CIA did in Afghanistan + Iraq really helped "liberate" the country.
[editline]18th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=AutoTurret;26144158]I will proceed to make a visual interpretation of what the fuck wikileaks is doing:
[img_thumb]http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2010/5/0/rifle-891919618.jpg[/img_thumb]
Private Womack
23 confirmed kills
4 Civilian kills
Assisted in the capture of Afghanistan leader
Was in a search and destroy mission that raided a mosque
Please do not take any of that literally in any sense, i'm just trying to state a point of what wikileaks is doing. They are basically putting out rap sheets on people in the US military for the world to see. Now every enemy now knows who did what and now can easily target people.[/QUOTE]
Right, because killing civilians is "part of war" and a normal activity in war that can't be avoided :downs:. By the way your example statistics are off, the U.S. Army has killed way more civilians than "terrorists".
Just like the Pentagon files, no harm to national security, just harm to national dignity.
[QUOTE=AutoTurret;26144158]I will proceed to make a visual interpretation of what the fuck wikileaks is doing:[/QUOTE]
Raiding mosques and killing civilians is perfectly normal, right?
[QUOTE=BCell;26136105]Do you think they might reveal a blueprint to make a nuclear weapon?[/QUOTE]
You don't need blueprints to make a weapon, there is enough general knowledge on the subject that if someone could get some U235/234 or PU239 they could make one.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;26142775]Transparency in a time of war is a massive personal risk to the soldiers fighting, especially when those soldiers are handling extremely delicate situations. We are UAV Operators, and our job description is in the title of our training courses, RSTA. It stands for reconaissance, surveillance, and target acquisition. But there's one more letter tacked onto the end, an invisible "E" that everybody knows about: Elimination. We are the assassins of the modern warzone. We find a target, track him for days, unseen and unheard, until we see an opportunity to strike, and then we pull the trigger. We can send a hellfire missile through somebody's bedroom window. We are responsible for the elimination of dozens of high-profile targets.
Our enemies aren't unaware, and they're not stupid. UAV operators are regularly targeted for what they do. Mortar strikes on ground control stations, heavy caliber machine gun fire focused on them during convoy travel, IEDs placed regularly along the routes which enemy intel discovers they travel. Protecting the secrecy of who was involved with what operations, what the goals of those operations were, and when those operations were to take place is critical in protecting the lives of everybody involved in them.
Wikileaks inarguably released critical and sensitive information to the world which endangers the lives of people who are positions like those which my friends and I volunteered for, and that information needs to be kept in a strictly controlled environment until the personal danger to those involved has passed.
Obviously I have a vested interest in the matter, and all the reason in the world for it. Yes, I believe secrecy in a time of war is absolutely necessary, and if I had to decide the fate of the men responsible for actively undermining the secrecy and security of my comrades, it would be a very dark day for them. You'd be hard-pressed to find a military man who'll say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I really can't see the job being any safer without wikileaks in the picture the way you just described it
[QUOTE=CjienX;26145820]I really can't see the job being any safer without wikileaks in the picture the way you just described it[/QUOTE]
It isn't, and nothing bad has happened because of the leaks.
But at least Big Dumb American admitted his bias so he gets slack for that
[QUOTE=BCell;26136105]Do you think they might reveal a blueprint to make a nuclear weapon?[/QUOTE]
You can find the information to make a nuclear weapon on the internet. However their is only a handfuls of people who truely understand how it works and how to engineer it.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;26147291]You can find the information to make a nuclear weapon on the internet. However their is only a handfuls of people who truely understand how it works and how to engineer it.[/QUOTE]
Of course you're also risking the fact that by the time you google it you probably have Law Enforcement / CIA / FBI Monitoring you or starting a case file on you.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;26147291]You can find the information to make a nuclear weapon on the internet. However their is only a handfuls of people who truely understand how it works and how to engineer it.[/QUOTE]
How to make the weapon hasn't been a problem for 40 years, the issue is controlling the materials to make it. Which is why trade embargoes and such are so popular against North Korea (before they had the bomb), Iran, Syria, etc.
[QUOTE=R3mix;26147442]Of course you're also risking the fact that by the time you google it you probably have Law Enforcement / CIA / FBI Monitoring you or starting a case file on you.[/QUOTE]
Google has successfully fought subpoenas in court, your search records are private.
[Quote=article]those defending liberty in Iraq[/Quote]
Irony, irony, irony.
Operation Iraqi Freedom
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