89-year-old on trial for allegedly being guard at Nazi death camp - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;18677435]And thus, with carbon tracing and family tree tracing, we find a person to be a descendant of a higher-up during the Crusades. Would we still prosecute them?[/QUOTE] Well, it's not like we are prosecuting the child of this guy or anything.

He probably didn't know it was a bad thing. To some people it's how they were raised. Ex: Hillbilly's typically hate blacks. Plus he was a guard. Wow. What a crime.

[QUOTE=gerbils_alt_2;18669495]You can't blame the soldiers for what descisions the leaders make. Obviously this guy stopped all Hitler related things (IE killing jews and being overall racist) after the war. Why should he be punished for a man's hatrid? Why should he be punished for following orders; which if he didn't, would have probably been killed[/QUOTE] For the same reason that German Officers were tried and convicted in Nuremberg. It is a pathetic defence to say "but I was told to do it". If you don't think it is right you do not do it. "I was ordered to" has never been a defensible position in any military tribunal. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense[/url]

[QUOTE=Lerlth;18679140]He probably didn't know it was a bad thing. To some people it's how the were raised. Ex: Hillbilly's typically hate blacks. Plus he was a guard. Wow. What a crime.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between hating and killing. He still let it happen.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18679172]There's a difference between hating and killing. He still let it happen.[/QUOTE] So did every country in the world. They knew it was happening, not EVERY one did something about it.

[QUOTE=Lerlth;18679178]So did every country in the world. They knew it was happening, not EVERY one did something about it.[/QUOTE] Yeah but they didn't guard the damn camp.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18679146]For the same reason that German Officers were tried and convicted in Nuremberg. It is a pathetic defence to say "but I was told to do it". If you don't think it is right you do not do it. "I was ordered to" has never been a defensible position in any military tribunal. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense[/url][/QUOTE] Unfortunately self-preservation of an individual more often than not overrides your sense of preservation of the species as a whole. Threatened with death, most people will unfortunately allow an unlimited amount of people to die to escape that same fate themselves.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18679196]Yeah but they didn't guard the damn camp.[/QUOTE] Okay, if most people think strip clubs are bad, does that make the bouncer bad too?

[QUOTE=Lerlth;18679229]Okay, if most people think strip clubs are bad, does that make the bouncer bad too?[/QUOTE] If the bouncer allowed all the strippers inside it to be systematically killed. Yes, he would be bad too. You can't compare the holocaust to anything, it was simply the worst thing to happen in all of human history. Stop trying to justify what he did and accept that he is at fault no matter how old he is. He didn't try to stop what was going on, so he was just part of the problem.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18679246]If the bouncer allowed all the strippers inside it to be systematically killed. Yes, he would be bad too. You can't compare the holocaust to anything, it was simply the worst thing to happen in all of human history. Stop trying to justify what he did and accept that he is at fault no matter how old he is. He didn't try to stop what was going on, so he was just part of the problem.[/QUOTE] Ehh. Fine. [i]‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’[/i] - Edmund Burke

[QUOTE=evilking1;18664341]Also should we judge a person that needs to be wheeled to the courtroom in a wheelchair when his vital signs look so that he could survive it? He's 89 goddamn.[/QUOTE] So the fact that he's old and weak means it's alright?! Wtf? He is responsible for the death of a lot of people, it's not like he can get away from it only because his life sucks too now.

derp derp dee derp lets put a 89 year old in prison for something he did 60 years ago. I want my Nazi Scalps

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;18679274]So the fact that he's old and weak means it's alright?! Wtf? He is responsible for the death of a lot of people, it's not like he can get away from it only because his life sucks too now.[/QUOTE] Just cause he allowed it to go on doesn't mean he caused it.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18665099]Just because it was 60 years ago doesn't mean he's been magically forgiven for what he did. There is as much justification for a trial now as there was after the war.[/QUOTE] I pretty much think this.

[QUOTE=Lerlth;18679308]Just cause he allowed it to go on doesn't mean he caused it.[/QUOTE] So if you were just going in the street and saw a man getting hit wouldn't you help him?

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;18679333]So if you were just going in the street and saw a man getting hit wouldn't you help him?[/QUOTE] Uhh. No. That's not my job... And we must also factor, how many people are hitting this man...

[QUOTE=Lerlth;18679352]Uhh. No. That's not my job... And we must also factor, how many people are hitting this man...[/QUOTE] So you are a disgusting human lol

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;18679384]So you are a disgusting human lol[/QUOTE] Hey! My hard-urned tax money goes into paying people to stop that! Why the hell should I do it!? :mad:

[QUOTE=Lerlth;18679396]Hey! My hard-urned tax money goes into paying people to stop that! Why the hell should I do it!? :mad:[/QUOTE] You don't pay taxes.

[QUOTE=Skwee;18679400]You don't pay taxes.[/QUOTE] WHO TOLD YOU THAT!? :wink:

I wouldn't imagine that he'd have had much choice whether or not he carried out his orders.

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;18679384]So you are a disgusting human lol[/QUOTE] depends on how many, you try to go all Jesus when it's you against 15, you need to be a very gifted speaker to win 15 guys over, cuz your fighting skills sure as heck can't just brush them aside. you're just as disgusting for judging a man on a situation you'd piss your pants if you found yourself in. [QUOTE=Lerlth;18679396]Hey! My hard-urned tax money goes into paying people to stop that! Why the hell should I do it!? :mad:[/QUOTE] because it's your duty, if you can't atleast call for some help to join you in parting the shit going on, you're pretty much going, well, ok, just go beating everyone up, it's no problem at all mate. stop being an ant and grow some balls, in situations like that you have to think before you run off, it's illegal to leave someone to their fate at anothers hand. as for this man, look at my first point, you try to stop a nation that's been enthralled by a fucking genious madman. when you realize that you can't do shit but throw away your life, please realize that such a sacrifice would be useless, he was better served to wait it out and get the hell outta there at his first chance. you'd do the same, and if you wouldn't you're fucking stupid, as nothing could help tose caught there. the only positive thin he could do was be the "good" guard, maybe smuggle some food, confuse other guards about orders of punishment and get the kids out of trouble in the hopes that this evil would stop. there's a chance that he was such a guard. but "NONONO, HE WAZ A GUARD AT NAZILAND HE'S A FUCKING BARBARIAN, BURN THA FAGS!!!"

For fucks sake, he didn't kill anyone, he just guarded the damn camp

[QUOTE=Darian;18679579]For fucks sake, he didn't kill anyone, he just guarded the damn camp[/QUOTE] If you put it like that, no one actually killed anyone the gasses did it. He knows he is wrong and there is footage of him fit and healthy and then when he is in cort he gets into his wheel chair. The man is lieng, just because he is old does not let him of what what he did. Everyone in this thread pittys an old man, you are all saps.

It's not like he did anything directly wrong and it's not as if one lowly door guard could have stopped what was happening in the camps

[QUOTE=Bomimo;18679565]depends on how many, you try to go all Jesus when it's you against 15, you need to be a very gifted speaker to win 15 guys over, cuz your fighting skills sure as heck can't just brush them aside. you're just as disgusting for judging a man on a situation you'd piss your pants if you found yourself in. because it's your duty, if you can't atleast call for some help to join you in parting the shit going on, you're pretty much going, well, ok, just go beating everyone up, it's no problem at all mate. stop being an ant and grow some balls, in situations like that you have to think before you run off, it's illegal to leave someone to their fate at anothers hand. as for this man, look at my first point, you try to stop a nation that's been enthralled by a fucking genious madman. when you realize that you can't do shit but throw away your life, please realize that such a sacrifice would be useless, he was better served to wait it out and get the hell outta there at his first chance. you'd do the same, and if you wouldn't you're fucking stupid, as nothing could help tose caught there. the only positive thin he could do was be the "good" guard, maybe smuggle some food, confuse other guards about orders of punishment and get the kids out of trouble in the hopes that this evil would stop. there's a chance that he was such a guard. but "NONONO, HE WAZ A GUARD AT NAZILAND HE'S A FUCKING BARBARIAN, BURN THA FAGS!!!"[/QUOTE] You can't even fucking know if he was forced to be a guard so come on

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18667514]Since when was it simply "ungentlemanly" to think it is right to kill civilians. yes, war = enemies, enemies hurt each other. but enemies are not civilians, and the holocaust was in no way a sane attempt at war. It was a sick reason to kill millions who were outcast. Your job as a soldier does not give you the right to kill civilians.[/QUOTE] By your logic all the people who flew B-17's during the war should be arrested for genocide. WW2 was a war of attrition. [editline]07:03AM[/editline] Also they forced a lot of Poles to be guards. Should we arrest them too?

Demjanjuk is a god damn hero. Because I would kill myself rather than living with all that torment of killing innocent people. That's if he did it ofcourse, something that I find hard to believe.

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;18679694]You can't even fucking know if he was forced to be a guard so come on[/QUOTE] you can't even fucking know if he was a guard by his own free wil so come motherfucking on! it's stated he was a polish prisoner turned guard, what does that tell you? LOOK AT HIS NAME!!! it's not german. [sp]tip: he was probrably promised better conditions if he turned guard, or it was part of his punishment[/sp] [quote] they forced a lot of Poles to be guards. Should we arrest them too?[/QUOTE] i agree, either we arrest all the grunts or we arrest all native german grunts or we leave well enough alone, we can't just pick and choose who we want to rain fuck on today, have some consistent moral atleast. in the bible, just below one of the passages that encourages murder of homosexuals it says we sould stone all naughty children to death. i can't see any banners at religious demonstations saying "KILL SATANS KIDS!!!" or some shit like that. point, go all the way or let it alone, it's fucking ages ago. and the dude isn't even german.

Watch this documentary of WWII between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany and you'll see not only how truly vicious they were to each other, but how the old veterans on either side have their own way of justifying the atrocious actions they did take part of. (This is part 1 of 20) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVo-2jfeoMM&feature=related[/media]