89-year-old on trial for allegedly being guard at Nazi death camp - Polidicks

why does it seems that no one gives a shit about UNIT 731 [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731[/url]

[QUOTE=GarrysDad;18709890]why does it seems that no one gives a shit about UNIT 731 [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731[/url][/QUOTE] they were granted amnesty in return for their research

I see Hollywood has done a mighty fine and dandy job of portraying the Nazis as the most evil people in the entire world next to the British Colonialists and the French. [editline]03:39PM[/editline] Don't forget stinking Communists!

It's not like putting this guy in prison is going to solve any problems, it will just spread some more hate around. The guy is 89 years old, the war was over 60 years ago, he was ordered to do it, he would of been punished. You might as well let this poor guy go peacefully. Even if he did kill people, so did a lot of other german soldiers, because they were forced, or manipulated. How would we know the whole story? We never will, and this is a waste of time and just putting more hate into the world that we don't need. Just imagine being almost 90 years old and being charged at something you did over 60 years ago because you were forced to do it, its bullshit.

"Just following orders."

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18685882]lol if you think being the nazi equivalent of a cub scout is comparable to actually being present at a concentration camp and being prepared to use a weapon to stop people from fleeing, you're a silly person[/QUOTE] Seeing as this trial is more of a Nazi witch hunt I don't really see the difference.

[QUOTE=Advancedrock;18710821]they were granted amnesty in return for their research[/QUOTE] yeah, let's put an 89 man who was only a guard, and have no evidence at all that he killed anyone personally in jail. but lets grant amnesty to people who performed [b]dissection without anesthesia to 1,000 human being[/b]. this is justice.

We need a Penn & Teller: Bullshit on prejudice on non-democratic political ideas, either they'd run them to the ground, or at least teach everyone that certain aspects of the Ideologies combined with democrazy= epic win.

If he goes to jail, he's just going to live out the rest of his life in a hospital suite with free health care. It would actually be a better situation. (Jails take great care of inmates) Thus why some inmates with try to choke on things or break their bones. So they can sit on a nice hospital bed and watch cable T.V.

What's the difference between American soldiers killing people in Iraq and a Nazi killing Jews? I can't see the difference. How can anyone say that one type of killing is okay, while another is not okay.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;18711111]What's the difference between American soldiers killing people in Iraq and a Nazi killing Jews? I can't see the difference. How can anyone say that one type of killing is okay, while another is not okay.[/QUOTE] Are you honestly comparing the Holocaust to the American occupation of Iraq?

[QUOTE=angelangel;18711182]Are you honestly comparing the Holocaust to the American occupation of Iraq?[/QUOTE] Yes. People die in both cases; therefore, they're the same to me. The only difference is that in the Iraq case, the people being killed might be able to defend themselves, but they die regardless.

No further questions... :eng99:

[QUOTE=angelangel;18711182]Are you honestly comparing the Holocaust to the American occupation of Iraq?[/QUOTE] killing civillians is the same, whether by gas or by redneck rage. do not pretend that there are no civilians in iraq, and do not pretend that thousands may have been killed without warnin by accident or not.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;18711374]killing civillians is the same, whether by gas or by redneck rage. do not pretend that there are no civilians in iraq, and do not pretend that thousands may have been killed without warnin by accident or not.[/QUOTE] Yes of course civilians died during the Iraq War. But how can you compare this to the systematic killing of millions of Jews by the Nazis? [editline]05:01PM[/editline] PvtCupcakes, to say that you, "don't see a difference," is incredibly stupid.

If he was a guard then he was only employed to do his job. The ones that gave him the job are the ones that should be convicted.

[QUOTE=angelangel;18711403]Yes of course civilians died during the Iraq War. But how can you compare this to the systematic killing of millions of Jews by the Nazis? [/QUOTE] for the same reason morons deliberately mistake this guy for nazileaders and witchhunt him despite his near death age. this is more barbaric than i'd thought possible this side of sanity. and how do you manage to make murder of civilians be more okay than murder of civilians? it's the same thing!

[QUOTE=Bomimo;18711607]for the same reason morons deliberately mistake this guy for nazileaders and witchhunt him despite his near death age. this is more barbaric than i'd thought possible this side of sanity. [B] and how do you manage to make murder of civilians be more okay than murder of civilians? it's the same thing![/B][/QUOTE] That's besides the point! I'm talking about the SCALE of it.

[QUOTE=angelangel;18711660]That's besides the point! I'm talking about the SCALE of it.[/QUOTE] scale is down the drainer, at most this man killed 2-3 if it was required by duty to stage examples. the rest was collective murder, this was the States crime, Blame the Allies for letting them off the hook back in 91, if we still want to stir up in the war and punish veterans, we need to punish germany as a whole since the large scale murder was on by the state on behalf of the citizens. the government is always representants of the public. that's what they're for.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;18711607]for the same reason morons deliberately mistake this guy for nazileaders and witchhunt him despite his near death age. this is more barbaric than i'd thought possible this side of sanity. and how do you manage to make murder of civilians be more okay than murder of civilians? it's the same thing![/QUOTE] I don't think that 6 million civilians died during the occupation of Iraq...

But it was his job wasn't it? He would probably have been killed if he refused to do what he was doing. He was a guard which doesn't mean he did the actual killing!

[QUOTE=Swallow;18711786]I don't think that 6 million civilians died during the occupation of Iraq...[/QUOTE] i don't think 6 mill people died because of one ukrainian...

[QUOTE=Bomimo;18711766]scale is down the drainer, at most this man killed 2-3 if it was required by duty to stage examples. the rest was collective murder, this was the States crime, Blame the Allies for letting them off the hook back in 91, if we still want to stir up in the war and punish veterans, we need to punish germany as a whole since the large scale murder was on by the state on behalf of the citizens. the government is always representants of the public. that's what they're for.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about what the guard may or may not have done. Just the two events in general. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bomimo;18711891]i don't think 6 mill people died because of one ukrainian...[/QUOTE] Are you talking about Stalin? Then of course, it's [I]genuinely[/I] his fault isn't it.

Stalin killed more then 6 million people it was more like 20-30 million, but this isn't important Well of course Demjanjuk didn't kill six million jews, but six million jews did die, and I'm just pointing out that there's a diffrerence between the US occupation of Iraq and the Holocaust...

[QUOTE=Bomimo;18711607] and how do you manage to make murder of civilians be more okay than murder of civilians? it's the same thing![/QUOTE] The U.S policy is not to systematically exterminate a entire civilian population. Most civilian deaths since the start of the Iraq war have been caused by Iraq's themselves going at each other. Yes there have been instances were soldiers have murdered civilians but is is highly restricted by the U.S military and all other coalition forces. There is a difference between a independent soldiers shooting civilians and a government supported extermination.

[QUOTE=angelangel;18711970]I'm not talking about what the guard may or may not have done. Just the two events in general. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] Are you talking about Stalin? Then of course, it's [I]genuinely[/I] his fault isn't it.[/QUOTE] NO, i meant the guard, i can't determine if he was polish or ukrainian, but he didn't shoot 6 mill. and if he ever killed anyone directly he'd only have killed like 2 or 3 to state an example. the rest was collective murder, this was the States crime, Blame the Allies for letting germany off the hook back in 91, if we still want to stir up in the war and punish veterans, we need to punish germany as a whole since the large scale murder was on by the state on behalf of the citizens. the government is always representants of the public. that's what they're for. [editline]01:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;18712013]The U.S policy is not to systematically exterminate a entire civilian population. Most civilian deaths since the start of the Iraq war have been caused by Iraq's themselves going at each other. Yes there have been instances were soldiers have murdered civilians but is is highly restricted by the U.S military and all other coalition forces. There is a difference between a independent soldiers shooting civilians and a government supported extermination.[/QUOTE] watch jarhead, note sickos, divide by 100 for hollywoodness and it's still a catastrophe. then proceed to listen to firsthand witnesses of troopers bashing down doors, raping or killing without a word or with gross taunts. back in vietnam, we got proof of two things. (may have been korea though) 1. americans have no idea of other cultures, that was excusable for a month or so, after that they should learn. 2. their temper is way out of order and aggressive when in bunches with rifles. proof: when soldiers interrogated citizens on the streets, nice and quiet and the poor folk didn't know english, they'd show their embarrasment by laughing while looking down. that's custom. but americans mistook it for laughing at them proceeding to beating them, and later just killing the fuckers right away. why? because they simply don't want to have a clue. if a single official had briefed them on this after the first few incidents, we wouldn't have shit, but no... it went to shits. how can you prove to me that all the pissyness about arabian all meaning "i'll fucking blow you to bits" wouldn't lead americans to immediately or after short attempts at communication to conclute "the fucker's insane" what if he, while trying to talk to them approached? they'd shoot him, why? because american culture applies to everyone, accepting other people is just way beyond comprehension. had they had a translator (which they do have) or had tackled the situation differently than raising arms and screaming themselves hoarse at a civillian, you'd look better in our eyes. you don't know if americans could be just as ruthless at times...

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;18711203]Yes. People die in both cases; therefore, they're the same to me. The only difference is that in the Iraq case, the people being killed might be able to defend themselves, but they die regardless.[/QUOTE] Oh yes, I'm sure that killing civilians through crossfire is exactly the same to systematically gassing and burning as many Jews as quickly as possible in a bid to eliminate them from the gene pool.

[QUOTE=angelangel;18710899]I see Hollywood has done a mighty fine and dandy job of portraying the Nazis as the most evil people in the entire world next to the British Colonialists and the French. [editline]03:39PM[/editline] Don't forget stinking Communists![/QUOTE] Right, killing millions of people only because of their religion and behavior isn't cruel and evil.

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;18712491]Right, killing millions of people only because of their religion and behavior isn't cruel and evil.[/QUOTE] You misunderstand, now thanks to Hollywood, every single German soldier in WW2 is labelled a Nazi. So now this poor old man is being convicted as if he was the one that drafted the Final Solution. [editline]10:09PM[/editline] Also, when I said, "Nazis," I guess I meant to say, "Nazi Germany."

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;18712491]Right, killing millions of people only because of their religion and behavior isn't cruel and evil.[/QUOTE] talking before thinking is well thoughtout and admirable... start reading more than just the words, but the meaning of them.