• French satirical paper Charlie Hebdo attacked in Paris due to Mohammed Cartoon
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[QUOTE=Valdor;33089571]Hey guys there's alot of radical Muslims on the news it must mean all Muslims are radicals. :downs:[/QUOTE] Still, it can't be ignored.
[QUOTE=lukepker;33090089]Still, it can't be ignored.[/QUOTE] no-one's ignoring anything, it's just this bullshit bigotry about muslims is counter-productive. either you learn to respect each other in society or else your society will go to shit.
[QUOTE=booster;33089697]That's obvious, but there's still going to be people who think otherwise.[/QUOTE] and those people are just as mis-informed and ignorant as the extremists.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33088997]Are you kidding me? You're judging an entire religion on a microscopic minority.[/QUOTE]I see more news on the destructive nature of Muslims more than any single religion in my entire news article reading life.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;33090799]I see more news on the destructive nature of Muslims more than any single religion in my entire news article reading life.[/QUOTE] read: "I READ FOX NEWS AND WILLING ACCEPT ANY BULLSHIT STORY ABOUT MUSLIMS!" next you'll tell us about how the evil muslims want foot baths in our schools!
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;33090799]I see more news on the destructive nature of Muslims more than any single religion in my entire news article reading life.[/QUOTE] So that means that [b]EVERY[/b] muslim on the planet is a violent psychopath whose only goal is to kill off those who don't agree with their religion? What the fuck man. you should be ashamed of yourself.
oh dear, [B]some[/B] muslims seem to think their religious rules apply to even those who have not enlisted to their religion
Wow this really[I] blew up[/I] in his face.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;33090799]I see more news on the destructive nature of Muslims more than any single religion in my entire news article reading life.[/QUOTE] I see more news on the criminal nature of blacks more than any single race in my entire news article reading life.
Logic behind this if anyone curious: Since Muhammad is the most important figure in Islam, the idea of no visual portrayals is to strictly avoid worshipping him as any being/idol of the religion. In the Islamic faith, he was a human being like anybody else who happened to carry God's message, and by portraying him visually there will be the risk of people who will see him as god-like, much like Jesus Christ in Christianity. It's not that they feel offended by what the cartoonists have to say, it's that its blasphemy to their religion.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33090837]So that means that [b]EVERY[/b] muslim on the planet is a violent psychopath whose only goal is to kill off those who don't agree with their religion? [/QUOTE]exactly
Islam implies not to depict anyone, not Abraham, not Moses, not Jesus, not Muhammad, not Allah/God, and not his Angels either. Muslims generally think that because we don't know what they look like, it will be disrespectful, and can ultimately lead to worship of them (for example, some Christians worship Mary, etc). There is no specific, or explicit ban in the Koran on images of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad - be they carved, painted or drawn. However, chapter 42, verse 11 of the Koran does say: [I]"Allah is the originator of the heavens and the earth... there is nothing like a likeness of Him."[/I] This is taken by Muslims to mean that Allah cannot be captured in an image by human hand, such is his beauty and grandeur. To attempt such a thing is seen as an insult to Allah. [quote]Chapter 21, verses 52-54 of the Koran read: "Abraham said to his father and his people: 'What are these images to whose worship you cleave?' They said: 'We found our fathers worshipping them.' He said: 'Certainly you have been, you and your fathers, in manifest error.'"[/quote] From this arises the Muslim belief that images can give rise to idolatry - that is to say an image, rather than the divine being it symbolises, can become the object of worship and veneration. Islamic tradition or Hadith, the stories of the words and actions of Muhammad and his Companions, explicitly prohibits images of Allah, Muhammad and all the major prophets of the Christian and Jewish traditions. More widely, Islamic tradition has discouraged the figurative depiction of living creatures, especially human beings. Islamic art has therefore tended to be abstract or decorative. [B]Shia Islamic tradition is far less strict on this ban. Reproductions of images of the Prophet, mainly produced in the 7th Century in Persian, can be found.[/B] The same is believed to apply to Muhammad. (this is probably one of the many reasons why other Islamic nations hate Shia Islam and Iranians).
[QUOTE=thisispain;33089928]okay, what about Anders Behring Breivik then, if you wanna go up to extremes.[/QUOTE] That seems a bit off topic. [QUOTE=thisispain;33089928]no it wasn't "Some Christian people were complaining", death threats were issued and people stormed in to destroy the art work.[/QUOTE] Ok. Some Christian people were complaining and the most angry of them were making death threats. The fact is that they tried to use words before using violence. And they didn't blow up the artist's workshop, they just attacked the picture. In this case the office was destroyed before anyone could have tried to protest by words. It was useless since the magazine was already published and it was to extreme for a symbolic act. It's a democracy, people can protest without blowing things up.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;33091269]Ok. Some Christian people were complaining and the most angry of them were making death threats. The fact is that they tried to use words before using violence. And they didn't blow up the artist's workshop, they just attacked the picture. In this case the office was destroyed before anyone could have tried to protest by words. It was useless since the magazine was already published and it was to extreme for a symbolic act. It's a democracy, people can protest without blowing things up.[/QUOTE] yeah okay so why can't we not apply the piss-christ shit storm and the right-wing christian terrorism of anders behring breivik to all christians? that's a rhetorical question, yet you seem very keen to do so with muslims.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33091313]yeah okay so why can't we not apply the piss-christ shit storm and the right-wing christian terrorism of anders behring breivik to all christians? that's a rhetorical question, yet you seem very keen to do so with muslims.[/QUOTE] I don't think there is anything in the bible that states not to draw figures from it were as in the Qu'ran it implies it does, this would lead to more violent behavior I think compared A, the other being more prone to use violent measured to remove a image of Muhammad that they deem offensive.
[QUOTE=Vasili;33091357]I don't think there is anything in the bible that states not to draw figures from it were as in the Qu'ran it implies it does[/QUOTE] well no there are verses as such but officially the idea is to create a divine representation and anything that isn't "divine" is blasphemy, piss-christ included. it used to be you draw anything that doesn't cast the catholic church, jesus, or the abrahamic god in a positive light you'd lose your head.
[QUOTE=Vasili;33091357]I don't think there is anything in the bible that states not to draw figures from it were as in the Qu'ran it implies it does, this would lead to more violent behavior I think compared A, the other being more prone to use violent measured to remove a image of Muhammad that they deem offensive.[/QUOTE] True, but the people he talks about still act similarly to Muslim extremists. He makes a good point, Muslims aren't the only religious extremists.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33091451]True, but the people he talks about still act similarly to Muslim extremists. He makes a good point, Muslims aren't the only religious extremists.[/QUOTE] Yeah they're all mad as each other.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33091451]True, but the people he talks about still act similarly to Muslim extremists. He makes a good point, Muslims aren't the only religious extremists.[/QUOTE] Muslims in average are more extreme in their beliefs.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;33091535]Muslims in average are more extreme in their beliefs.[/QUOTE] excuse me, no-one's going to believe what a bigot says about muslims. if you say muslims on average are more extreme it sounds more like some shit you just made up, which you did. quite one-sided view considering there are christians in the part of the world that kill others for being homosexuals but that doesn't mean you should start pointing at christians and say "WHY DO YOU KILL THE GAYS YOU MONSTER!"
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;33091535]Muslims in average are more extreme in their beliefs.[/QUOTE] -[citation needed]-
AND HERE WE GO WITH THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN WELCOME TO SENSATIONALIST HEADLINES, WITH RIDICULOUS GENERALISATION AND ENORMOUS KNEE-JERK RESPONSES
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;33091710]AND HERE WE GO WITH THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN WELCOME TO SENSATIONALIST HEADLINES, WITH RIDICULOUS GENERALISATION AND ENORMOUS KNEE-JERK RESPONSES[/QUOTE] Knee Jerk? More like Roundhouse Kick.
How long till this happens again?
[QUOTE=Orkel;33088816]I knew it would end like this. Muslims love to overreact.[/QUOTE] Come on Orkel you're better than this.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33091313]yeah okay so why can't we not apply the piss-christ shit storm and the right-wing christian terrorism of anders behring breivik to all christians? that's a rhetorical question, yet you seem very keen to do so with muslims.[/QUOTE] Did I apply what happened to all Muslims? No. That's only about religious extremists. But I'm just noticing that a "blasphemy" against Islam brings more violent reactions than one against Christianity. That shows there is more Muslim extremists than Christian extremists in Christian countries, which doesn't mean all Muslims are extremists and all Christians aren't.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33088997]Are you kidding me? You're judging an entire religion on a microscopic minority.[/QUOTE] Ha Hahaha This is a goddamn misconception, a large portion of them support the Taliban and other terrorist organizations. Why do you think they've almost been able to take control of entire countries? [editline]2nd November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;33089993]Yeah I know right? Muslims just love too, not a generalization at all. They just do.[/QUOTE] He should have said [i]Most[/i] Muslims love to overreact. I'm sorry, but if you insult their god in the middle-east you will probably die. No joke. Christains or Jews will mostly just call you names and cry to themselves saying "Woe is wrong with the world!". [editline]2nd November 2011[/editline] It's also against their religion to portray Muhammed in any way, shape, or form. It's one of the basic fucking rules in the Quran.
Dear everyone defending Islam, Consider how many Islamic theocracies have huge human rights issues compared to any other religion's theocracies.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;33094181]Ha Hahaha This is a goddamn misconception, a large portion of them support the Taliban and other terrorist organizations. Why do you think they've almost been able to take control of entire countries? [/QUOTE] Got any proper source on that? Or are you going to retract that? That is quite a serious thing to throw around. A large portion of a religion of 1.5bn people is going to be a very very large number.
How dare all Muslims do this? All Muslims should be charged with this attack! All Muslims are so violent. We need to deport all Muslims from everywhere. [editline]2nd November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xain777;33094610]Dear everyone defending Islam, Consider how many Islamic theocracies have huge human rights issues compared to any other religion's theocracies.[/QUOTE] I'm going to point at Christian Africa now Compare and contrast to Muslim Africa, where people are revolting and turning their countries around
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