Parents pretend they are their 15 year old daughter to pull a dateline on a creeper messaging her. - Polidicks

[quote]SPOKANE, Wash. -- A father who discovered his 15-year-old daughter was being wooed on Facebook by a man twice her age took matters into his own hands.[/quote] What a terrible way to phrase the first line of this article, the most relevant and least morally ambiguous part of the article is situated right at the bottom. This first sentence just drips with hubris and misogyny [quote]Richards and the girl exchanged hundreds of Facebook messages, communicated via YouTube, met face-to-face in May [B]and then made plans to elope[/B], court records show.[/quote] The elopement is the most serious issue here, as beyond that point the girl could be totally fucked if the relationship went south; not old enough to drive, probably doesn't have money, probably doesn't have ID, etc.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41133941]What a terrible way to phrase the first line of this article, the most relevant and least morally ambiguous part of the article is situated right at the bottom. This first sentence just drips with hubris and misogyny The elopement is the most serious issue here, as beyond that point the girl could be totally fucked if the relationship went south; not old enough to drive, probably doesn't have money, probably doesn't have ID, etc.[/QUOTE] I agree we should ban poor people who can't drive form marrying. But seriously though you need a an id to get married and this just highlights the problem with the forced secrecy in such relationships if it was legal they could have just got married locally.

I wonder if it was reversed so that it was a boy's father defending him from being fucked by a 30-year-old woman, would everybody call him a cockblocker? :v:

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;41133147][B]Would you want your 16 year old daughter fucking some random 30 year old guy?[/B] Because that would be legal in most of America. I don't think parents should decide who their children date. But to answer your question, if it was legal, I wouldn't stand in the way of love.[/QUOTE]No i wouldn't. Also lol "stand in the way of love". Your average 15-16 year old hardly have any idea of what "love" really is anyway.

As a 20 year old getting with a 15 year old.. I don't know I just wanted to state that

[QUOTE=Killer900;41134329]No i wouldn't. Also lol "stand in the way of love". Your average 15-16 year old hardly have any idea of what "love" really is anyway.[/QUOTE] I don't think its fair to flatly state that mid-teenagers don't know what love is. What is love (baby don't hurt me) beyond being attached to someone to the point of absurdity? If the girl was of age, then I don't think there'd be any question as to whether or not they loved each other. I simply think they're more likely to make bad decisions revolving around that love, due to the rest of the hormones plowing through their system. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gprimeisback;41134477]As a 20 year old getting with a 15 year old.. I don't know I just wanted to state that[/QUOTE] Good for you, you despicable no life piece of shit scumbag I hope you die in a fire while standing on legos. [sp]Yes, goddamnit, I'm joking[/sp]

[QUOTE=Gprimeisback;41134477]As a 20 year old getting with a 15 year old.. I don't know I just wanted to state that[/QUOTE] Well that's quite pathetic, to be perfectly honest. Not saying you can't be a nice guy, but there's obviously something wrong when you turn to a 15 year old rather than someone close to your own age.

Blah blah blah more "everyone has rights" arguments. They break our moral standards in our society, so we don't accept their behaviors. That's humanity. No amount of arguing will every change anyone's stance on that.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41134537]I don't think its fair to flatly state that mid-teenagers don't know what love is. What is love (baby don't hurt me) beyond being attached to someone to the point of absurdity? If the girl was of age, then I don't think there'd be any question as to whether or not they loved each other. [B]I simply think they're more likely to make bad decisions revolving around that love, due to the rest of the hormones plowing through their system.[/B][/QUOTE]Pretty much spot on with what I meant

This almost sounds like some kind of entrapment scenario... surprised it would hold up in court - I would think once the judge finds out that all the logs and evidence of the discussions between the girl and man were actually 'fabricated' (in a sense) by the parents, that it wouldn't be admissible as evidence? I don't know, if the guy was a genuine sex-focused predator then it's probably a good thing he got arrested, however if there was a longer ongoing 'relationship' and this was simply the next stage in that, then I think this is almost a little unfair. It's a really weird situation.

[QUOTE=Sobek-;41135050]This almost sounds like some kind of entrapment scenario... surprised it would hold up in court - I would think once the judge finds out that all the logs and evidence of the discussions between the girl and man were actually 'fabricated' (in a sense) by the parents, that it wouldn't be admissible as evidence? I don't know, if the guy was a genuine sex-focused predator then it's probably a good thing he got arrested, however if there was a longer ongoing 'relationship' and this was simply the next stage in that, then I think this is almost a little unfair. It's a really weird situation.[/QUOTE] It's not entrapment, they do this same thing to find child molestors. If the girl (parents in this case) were to offer then it might be, but if he offered and she accepted then it's not. Plus it's America good luck ever having something actually be entrapment we have bait car

haha i've been in a similar situation, but it was a 4 year age diff, not 15...

[QUOTE=Sobek-;41135050]This almost sounds like some kind of entrapment scenario... surprised it would hold up in court - I would think once the judge finds out that all the logs and evidence of the discussions between the girl and man were actually 'fabricated' (in a sense) by the parents, that it wouldn't be admissible as evidence? I don't know, if the guy was a genuine sex-focused predator then it's probably a good thing he got arrested, however if there was a longer ongoing 'relationship' and this was simply the next stage in that, then I think this is almost a little unfair. It's a really weird situation.[/QUOTE] Entrapment is doing something that would push the person to do something they normally wouldn't, so in this case its not really entrapment.

[QUOTE=Killer900;41134329]No i wouldn't. Also lol "stand in the way of love". Your average 15-16 year old hardly have any idea of what "love" really is anyway.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is love anyway? It can be interpreted differently by millions of people. Millions of variations to what love truly is. It's a horribly vague term. I absolutely loathe those who impose random meaning or significance on age when it comes to muddy territory like love or infatuation. A 15 year old can be in love in the same exact way as a 65 year old can be in love with someone and age bears no inherent importance. Even if the law dictates that teenagers can not or are unable to consent, just because it's the law does not mean it's set in stone. Law makers are human beings just like the rest of us and are not fool-proof, and can often make mistakes and impose out-dated or useless laws. Of course I am not attempting to downplay the significance of the law here especially when it comes to child-rape, but you have to understand that each case is case-specific and needs to be treated as such. To blindly carpet-sentence those who are involved in a relationship with a minor is to go against the very concept of a proper-functioning justice system. Even if these laws are backed by psychological data and social stigma you have to keep in mind that a mere 30 years ago homosexuality was also considered a mental-illness by professional definition and had just as much psychological data behind it as Ephebophilia has today. Still, I wouldn't go as far as defend Pedophilia because frankly that crosses a very well defined red line in my books but that is not the point of this thread as the girl is 15, however, I do know and am absolutely sure that Ephebophilia should not be treated the same as Pedohilia in the court of law, and the sooner we address this, the better.

[QUOTE=Sobek-;41135050]This almost sounds like some kind of entrapment scenario... surprised it would hold up in court - I would think once the judge finds out that all the logs and evidence of the discussions between the girl and man were actually 'fabricated' (in a sense) by the parents, that it wouldn't be admissible as evidence? I don't know, if the guy was a genuine sex-focused predator then it's probably a good thing he got arrested, however if there was a longer ongoing 'relationship' and this was simply the next stage in that, then I think this is almost a little unfair. It's a really weird situation.[/QUOTE]They'd already made plans to elope before the parents intervened, so he was not entrapped i.e. he was not coerced into doing something he was not already going to do.

[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;41134832]Well that's quite pathetic, to be perfectly honest. Not saying you can't be a nice guy, but there's obviously something wrong when you turn to a 15 year old rather than someone close to your own age.[/QUOTE] The most fucking retarded thing I've ever heard. Funny thing is, for the most part of it, everyone would agree with you, but I can't understand that. For my mom, who is 49 years old, it was normal to seduce my now 44 year old father back when he was 19 and she was 24. I can ABSOLUTELY understand that during puberty/teenage years a single year is an EXTREMELY HUGE leap in your physical/psychological evolution, but its double standards nonetheless. In my opinion, during that period, age shouldn't be mattering already, people aren't 7 year old who can't properly decide whats right or wrong...... On the other hand, some people in their 30s..... [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=OzJackal;41135498]would you want an 8 year old having sex with a 1 year old because they're within your legal limit didn't think so it's pedophilia, not much else to it[/QUOTE] Okay, fine, THIS is the most retarded thing I've heard. not speaking about the fact, if you even consider it, the dongler wouldn't even fit.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;41137949]The most fucking retarded thing I've ever heard. Funny thing is, for the most part of it, everyone would agree with you, but I can't understand that. For my mom, who is 49 years old, it was normal to seduce my now 44 year old father back when he was 19 and she was 24. I can ABSOLUTELY understand that during puberty/teenage years a single year is an EXTREMELY HUGE leap in your physical/psychological evolution, but its double standards nonetheless. In my opinion, during that period, age shouldn't be mattering already, people aren't 7 year old who can't properly decide whats right or wrong...... On the other hand, some people in their 30s..... [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] Okay, fine, THIS is the most retarded thing I've heard. not speaking about the fact, if you even consider it, the dongler wouldn't even fit.[/QUOTE] School is a very pertinent factor here, a 19 y/o to a 24 y/o has irrelevant school differences, 19 year old life and 24 year old life are essentially the same thing when looking at it from a relationship perspective. So 24 to 19 is not a big deal at all, however, when you're a 20 year old male going after a 15 year old who is still in like, 9th grade it's pretty pathetic. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] TL;DR: After 18 years old age gaps matter less and less, the biggest determining factors in whether it's creepy or not is how much they have in common from a cultural/generational perspective and differences between school. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] And no, it isn't a double standard, older people typically exhibit predatory behavior on their much younger bf/gf.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41137974]School is a very pertinent factor here, a 19 y/o to a 24 y/o has irrelevant school differences, 19 year old life and 24 year old life are essentially the same thing when looking at it from a relationship perspective. So 24 to 19 is not a big deal at all, however, when you're a 20 year old male going after a 15 year old who is still in like, 9th grade it's pretty pathetic. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] TL;DR: After 18 years old age gaps matter less and less, the biggest determining factors in whether it's creepy or not is how much they have in common from a cultural/generational perspective and differences between school. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] And no, it isn't a double standard, older people typically exhibit predatory behavior on their much younger bf/gf.[/QUOTE] How is school relevant at all to this?

Surprised that the parents actually managed to fool the guy, let alone manage to hand him over to the police. They could have taken the law into their own hands but instead handed him over. Good for them.

It's extremely stupid that it's considered rape for a 30 year old man to have consensual sex with a 16 year old. I had a friend some time ago who was 16 and had a relationship with a 32 year old and while I think it was extremely stupid of her (and him), they are still together and she's 18 now. I don't even consider it pedophilia when many 16 year olds (like her) look like they could be at least 20 already.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;41138130]How is school relevant at all to this?[/QUOTE] Relevant to how people perceive the creepiness because school is a good way of determining commonalities in knowledge and development.

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;41133003]This is ridiculous 15 is legal in most of the world anyway; there really needs to be some sort of legal distinction between actual child rape and consensual sex with teenagers.[/QUOTE] Are you absolutely fucking serious right now [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] I'm half-tempted to buy you a title, at that

[QUOTE=ewitwins;41138266]Are you absolutely fucking serious right now [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] I'm half-tempted to buy you a title, at that[/QUOTE] If you do, make it link to a permanent image (as opposed to linking it to his actual post, which he can edit) of his post

What I said was factually accurate; 15 is legal in a lot of countries and according to the DSM ephebophilia and hebephilia are not mental illness whereas pedophilia is so I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that the punishment should reflect this. From a purely psychological perspective ephebephilia has an age range of 15-19; so if we were to be consistent and criminalize ephebophilia it would involve raising the age of consent to at least 20. So rather than just questing my seriousness why not explain why you disagree with me?

[QUOTE=ewitwins;41138266]Are you absolutely fucking serious right now [/QUOTE] He's right though. In Sweden, age of consent is 15. This relationship would've been perfectly legal. Frowned upon maybe, but legal. The eloping part however I don't know.

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;41133147]Would you want your 16 year old daughter fucking some random 30 year old guy? Because that would be legal in most of America. I don't think parents should decide who their children date. But to answer your question, if it was legal, I wouldn't stand in the way of love.[/QUOTE] 'the way of love' I hope you realize the human brain is [i]far[/i] from being fully developed even at the age of 16. Especially the part that controls inhibitions. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] This girl might even regret all this when she's older. And the guy is a sicko for going for a 15 year old girl. For Christ's sake, he's in his thirties.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;41139064]'the way of love' I hope you realize the human brain is [i]far[/i] from being fully developed even at the age of 16. Especially the part that controls inhibitions. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] This girl might even regret all this when she's older. And the guy is a sicko for going for a 15 year old girl. For Christ's sake, he's in his thirties.[/QUOTE] Current studies suggest the brain doesn't finish development until at least the early 20s and I don't think you would think it right to stop 20 year olds form having sexual relationships, so I'm not sure this i relevant. Similarly the girl could just as likely regret a relationship with someone her own age when she grew up. So I'm not sure why you think this person is a "sicko".

[quote]they ... locked her out of her Facebook account.[/quote] I hate parents

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;41133078]Statutory rape it is then.[/QUOTE] That is a flawed law. She is 15, it's not like she didn't know what she was doing. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] He is getting jailed for "rape" yet it was consenual, if she was 12 i can under stand but she knew what was going on.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;41137949]The most fucking retarded thing I've ever heard. Funny thing is, for the most part of it, everyone would agree with you, but I can't understand that. For my mom, who is 49 years old, it was normal to seduce my now 44 year old father back when he was 19 and she was 24. I can ABSOLUTELY understand that during puberty/teenage years a single year is an EXTREMELY HUGE leap in your physical/psychological evolution, but its double standards nonetheless. In my opinion, during that period, age shouldn't be mattering already, people aren't 7 year old who can't properly decide whats right or wrong...... On the other hand, some people in their 30s..... [/QUOTE] It's not a double standard, it's protecting [I]kids[/I] from [I]adults[/I] that would have a lot more control than a person at their own age. One of the biggest reasons this is illegal in most countries is this: "[..]to protect minors below a certain age from predatory, exploitative sexual relationships—for example, with much older partners." I stand by my point that fucking(or even just dating) a 15 year old as a 20 year old is a sign something's wrong. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Iago;41139805]That is a flawed law. She is 15, it's not like she didn't know what she was doing. [editline]22nd June 2013[/editline] He is getting jailed for "rape" yet it was consenual, if she was 12 i can under stand but she knew what was going on.[/QUOTE] She doesn't know properly what's going on. A 30 year old and a 15 year old is likely to be a sexually predatory relationship, the guy can pretty much make her do whatever he wants. They are in no way, whatsoever, equal.