Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062933]I was more thinking about what do you say to a woman when she asks you what you do for a living and [B]how do you gain the respect of your friends[/B]. And the Facepunch virgin thing was a joke Jesus. I'm not some ladies man.[/QUOTE] My friends see me for who I am as a person, not the job I have.

Yeah dude I'm sure its because I work at a grocery store that my friends respect me. Lol get real dude

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062933]I was more thinking about what do you say to a woman when she asks you what you do for a living and how do you gain the respect of your friends. And the Facepunch virgin thing was a joke Jesus. I'm not some ladies man.[/QUOTE] it's not a joke I've ever understood frankly. I'm socially successful with women in my history, so I just never understood it and it always seems like a cheap shot assumption to make about people who you won't ever meet. as far as friends go, no real friend is going to judge you for your work. A good buddy of mine is a cow semen cryo-specialist. Do you think anyone respects him for his work? Not really, we respect him cause he's a kickass dude and kind as fuck and being good at his job is just a cool conversation topic. I think you're just a wildly different type of person than many of who these articles apply to. These articles don't even apply to me, I just sympathize with how shitty things ultimately are.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062933]I was more thinking about what do you say to a woman when she asks you what you do for a living and how do you gain the respect of your friends. And the Facepunch virgin thing was a joke Jesus. I'm not some ladies man.[/QUOTE] I would usually answer "Still looking for a job, it's been X years", to which they will usually reply "You think that's bad? try Y!" Things are so bad in my area that i'm genuinely shocked when someone of my age group has an actual paying job that isn't a volunteer thing or some underpaying apprenticeship scheme. Anyone I know who does actually have a job will usually begin with [i]"well, my dad..."[/i] if you ask them how they landed it. The whole judging people primarily on their employment thing only works if you actually know more than 3 people who have real jobs lol

[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;51062559]I've been rejected from Tescos and referred to their management scheme because apparently I'd be too bored or leave soon after I found something better (too right). I'm in the process of the management scheme application but I've been rejected from something similar (managing a local bar) because they also think I'd leave if I got a better offer.[/QUOTE] If you're being disqualified from jobs for being overqualified, maybe omit your qualifications/education history on your resume? Just saying it might help, not that it's fair or right. I'd lie through my teeth just to get in the door, better than sitting about (to clarify, lie about [I]lack[/I] of experience, not faking experience or credentials I don't have).

[QUOTE=srobins;51063186]If you're being disqualified from jobs for being overqualified, maybe omit your qualifications/education history on your resume? Just saying it might help, not that it's fair or right. I'd lie through my teeth just to get in the door, better than sitting about (to clarify, lie about [I]lack[/I] of experience, not faking experience or credentials I don't have).[/QUOTE] People flat out lie to get where they get. My boss on two different film sets(same guy) got into the business about 25-30 years ago. He had very little experience. He showed up, was asked "are you the gaffer"(head of lighting) and lied and said "Yes". He's still working today as a gaffer on major motion pictures because of that lie, big or small it helped him get places. The working world is a weird place where as long as the truth of the matter isn't exposed to the employers, if everything is going okay, everythings fine. I don't think that's okay, but that's how it seems to be.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51063201]People flat out lie to get where they get. My boss on two different film sets(same guy) got into the business about 25-30 years ago. He had very little experience. He showed up, was asked "are you the gaffer"(head of lighting) and lied and said "Yes". He's still working today as a gaffer on major motion pictures because of that lie, big or small it helped him get places. The working world is a weird place where as long as the truth of the matter isn't exposed to the employers, if everything is going okay, everythings fine. I don't think that's okay, but that's how it seems to be.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't advocate lying about something that you [I]don't[/I] have, like claiming to have a degree or prior work experience, but being unemployed because of overqualification is bullshit and I don't see any real harm in telling a Tesco you've only gone through secondary rather than admitting you're a History grad who needs more work. Sorry Tesco!

[QUOTE=srobins;51063235]I wouldn't advocate lying about something that you [I]don't[/I] have, like claiming to have a degree or prior work experience, but being unemployed because of overqualification is bullshit and I don't see any real harm in telling a Tesco you've only gone through secondary rather than admitting you're a History grad who needs more work. Sorry Tesco![/QUOTE] oh yeah I'm not offering that as advice just an aside from my personal experience asking people how they got where they did I had a beer with the guy after work, he's great at his job so I asked him. I was gobsmacked to hear this guy who was professional and good at his job had just straight up fucking lied to get where he was, and he was perfectly okay admitting what he'd done to get where he was. As he said it "It's a harsh business so you gotta be harsh where you can be, if that means lying, bumbling around, and figuring it out in a mad dash to save your ass, so be it"

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062577]I have no idea why you would choose to be a NEET. How do you even have a social life? How are you supposed to pick up women? No wonder FP is all virgins.[/QUOTE] Hey babe check out my huge... job. I stack shelves for a living, I get home too tired to think and make just enough money to cover the rent. You want a piece of this sexy, tired, impoverished ass?

[QUOTE=Pascall;51061949]You're not "better than" people who may have varying levels of physical and mental health, you're just lucky that you don't have to deal with anxiety, depression, chronic pain, or chronic illness. My jobs didn't cause any of these things in me, they've just aggravated it because of employers who don't understand. Most people have to work with these things. Their work didn't cause it.[/QUOTE] I dunno, maybe my tolerances are different or I have this huge drive to become a butcher but even with the anxiety and suicidal depression I have, without my retail job I was even more miserable.

[QUOTE=Swilly;51063818]I dunno, maybe my tolerances are different or I have this huge drive to become a butcher but even with the anxiety and suicidal depression I have, without my retail job I was even more miserable.[/QUOTE] That's a curious thing that I noticed in this thread regarding depression/anxiety and how differently people react to it, and how to some working while depressed is torture and for others it is the exact opposite.

[QUOTE=genkaz92;51063829]That's a curious thing that I noticed in this thread regarding depression/anxiety and how differently people react to it, and how to some working while depressed is torture and for others it is the exact opposite.[/QUOTE] Its probably to do with personality and other incredibly complex brain based bullshit that I can't even fathom for a second. I will say my job's not perfect, its fucking hell, but at this point I've made it my hell.

[QUOTE=genkaz92;51063829]That's a curious thing that I noticed in this thread regarding depression/anxiety and how differently people react to it, and how to some working while depressed is torture and for others it is the exact opposite.[/QUOTE] There's coping and treating I think. You can cope with it by distracting yourself and riding a series of "boosts" One might be able to treat it by changing their situation, identifying their issues and doing what they can to deal with those. Doing a job you don't enjoy won't help you to treat the problem but it can help you cope because you have no time to dwell on your shitty situation. Having a great job with supportive people around you can help you grow as a person and perhaps "treat" yourself. Maybe anyway.

Working helps to distract me but often I'd push myself so hard that it'd just make things worse. And I've got both ends of the spectrum here where working a lot helps me not to dwell on depression but causes a lot of physical pain. While not working helps my physical pain but leaves a lot of time to dwell on depression. It's a vicious cycle that I haven't been able to escape for years and I don't foresee any real end in sight. It's just a lot of hope that I have to ride on.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062577]I have no idea why you would choose to be a NEET. How do you even have a social life? How are you supposed to pick up women? No wonder FP is all virgins.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062933]I was more thinking about what do you say to a woman when she asks you what you do for a living and how do you gain the respect of your friends. And the Facepunch virgin thing was a joke Jesus. I'm not some ladies man.[/QUOTE] Not to shit on you or whatever, but you're working in a warehouse full-time - you're basically the king of the dung heap, job wise.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062933]I was more thinking about what do you say to a woman when she asks you what you do for a living and how do you gain the respect of your friends. And the Facepunch virgin thing was a joke Jesus. I'm not some ladies man.[/QUOTE] I tell her i`m currently chilling and have been chilling for the past three years or just make something up if i want to get laid. As for respect i dont much care about it but many of my friends are also neets so obviously they wont give a shit about it and others already respect me, i dont need to prove myself to anyone. Also i hate society so that helps.

Yeah sure, pricks, shitting on younger generations constantly, in every medium, in every way possible is surely going to help. Keep patting yourself on the back, how great you are for finding a job in a growing economy that was fuelled by bubbles and lies. And when all bursted and the smoke and mirrors lifted from the debris, we are at blame for getting a rotten deal in this fuckfest of unregulated capitalism. Dear who whines about the young, Sincerely, go fuck yourself.

Cool, when they're (economically) forced to get jobs we'll know who the proletariats will be. Everyone who's been working since will have experience and connections, one less confounding variable to guess if you're gonna be doing well or not.

I think a major issue with being a University graduate searching for jobs in the UK is that the amount of assistance available for anyone looking for anything above a minimum wage job is almost nonexistent. While there is a level of help available to most students while they are studying once you've left you're often on your own. When I went to the Job Centre to seek assistance my advisor openly admited that she had no idea how to help me, she wasn't even familiar with modern trends in job hunting such as LinkedIn. It is difficult nowadays as having a degree alone isn't good enough anymore, much like another poster in this thread even having a 1st class degree means virtually nothing. I graduated with what is considered a "good" degree in Chemistry with a good grade, and it has all virtually been worthless while job hunting. In every interview so far not a single employer has asked what my course covered and simply wants to know what I did in my year in industry. It's upsetting as people like myself were told that if you get a "good" degree that there will be many doors open to you because the degree has many transferable skills, but this has turn out to be a lie through and through. However, I know this isn't a simple issue to fix as there simply are not enough jobs to go around. With many companies opting to take their business to other countries more specific sectors, such as the chemical and pharmaceutica industries are quickly dissapearing with nothing to take their place.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;51058455]Being a NEET is the dream. Everyone would be a NEET if they won the lottery[/QUOTE] To be honest if I hit the lottery I'd probably get a business degree or something Actually, if it was a huge win, I would devote the rest of my life getting degrees and being the world's first literal know-it-all. I'd study and attempt to get degrees in medicine, law, math, engineering, chemistry, history, business, politics, music. I'd probably want to learn a few languages along the way, too

[QUOTE=Boomslang;51064403]I think a major issue with being a University graduate searching for jobs in the UK is that the amount of assistance available for anyone looking for anything above a minimum wage job is almost nonexistent. While there is a level of help available to most students while they are studying once you've left you're often on your own. When I went to the Job Centre to seek assistance my advisor openly admited that she had no idea how to help me, she wasn't even familiar with modern trends in job hunting such as LinkedIn. It is difficult nowadays as having a degree alone isn't good enough anymore, much like another poster in this thread even having a 1st class degree means virtually nothing. I graduated with what is considered a "good" degree in Chemistry with a good grade, and it has all virtually been worthless while job hunting. In every interview so far not a single employer has asked what my course covered and simply wants to know what I did in my year in industry. It's upsetting as people like myself were told that if you get a "good" degree that there will be many doors open to you because the degree has many transferable skills, but this has turn out to be a lie through and through. However, I know this isn't a simple issue to fix as there simply are not enough jobs to go around. With many companies opting to take their business to other countries more specific sectors, such as the chemical and pharmaceutica industries are quickly dissapearing with nothing to take their place.[/QUOTE] I think a lot of it is that the people who do the interviewing process know shit all about what they're actually hiring you for, you'll be stuck in front of some corporate shmuck who knows a job needs doing in something related to chemistry and needs someone to do it. The main thing he understands is experience because it means you've done the job before. He wouldn't know the first thing about chemistry so won't be able to ask you anything related to that. Thus causing the problem of getting all the qualifications, knowing how it all works but not being able to prove it because the people vetting you are utterly clueless on the subject themselves.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51064735]I think a lot of it is that the people who do the interviewing process know shit all about what they're actually hiring you for, you'll be stuck in front of some corporate shmuck who knows a job needs doing in something related to chemistry and needs someone to do it. The main thing he understands is experience because it means you've done the job before. He wouldn't know the first thing about chemistry so won't be able to ask you anything related to that. Thus causing the problem of getting all the qualifications, knowing how it all works but not being able to prove it because the people vetting you are utterly clueless on the subject themselves.[/QUOTE] This is a very good point, it's also an issue which extends beyond interviews as you'll have HR personnel vetting your initial application and CV. So certain experience which means something to someone actively in the industry will mean nothing to HR. I've recently changed my interview and application approach for this very reason as more often than not tackling interviews from a business approach regardless of what the position seems to pay off more than trying to be technical. Interviews in general are, in my opinion, a complete shit show regardless. It's all a song and dance to just spout the right buzzwords at the right time, but that's another discussion all together.

I'm saving almost all my money from work to live off investment dividens. Just another 31k USD and i'm set for life. Being a NEET is the dream. It's like Early Access version of heaven. [editline]17th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=srobins;51063235]I wouldn't advocate lying about something that you [I]don't[/I] have, like claiming to have a degree or prior work experience, but being unemployed because of overqualification is bullshit and I don't see any real harm in telling a Tesco you've only gone through secondary rather than admitting you're a History grad who needs more work. Sorry Tesco![/QUOTE] Actually it's a real thing, to some degree. Some people here won't hire smarter people than them as their subordinates. There's some kind of fear that these overqualified poeple will get ahead of them. It's prevalent in politics too. A politician will not promote a smartass who they know had the potential to rise above them, or questions their way of doing things.

[QUOTE=Chopstick;51061109]You know what? I hate work with every fibre, if you're not doing it then someone out there hates you for not working because they're working a job they hate in order to "pay" for your life through taxes. If these people can be smart enough one day that they don't even need to work in order to live then we've found an alternative to living which work always tries to drill into you that if you don't do it then you're not going to live but only exist. The thing is, existing is living and eventually there will come a point where you will like living an existence rather than what everyone else considers a living.[/QUOTE] Then dont work. There is nobody stopping you from just living in no-mans land in the woods in your own cabin and farming+ hunting your own food. However, you dont get roads, plumbing, electricity, Iphones or actually anything else. If you want to have any of those you have to participate in society. Go live on a farm in south America/Asia if you want a mix of things.

I wish I could lie on my resume and omit my college education, but a quick background search of my name you'd find where I graduated from. Then they have evidence of you lying and regardless of how good a hire you might look you're not getting the job. I'm basically barred from applying to shit jobs like McDonald's, Walmart, Home Depot, etc. because some manager is going to be afraid the guy who went to college will replace him eventually or worse that I'll jump ship as soon as I get a better offer (which is true but the chance of me getting a better offer nowadays is slim). Right now I work two part time jobs, make about $400 a week now total. Cost to rent an apartment is nearly $1000 a month, and to do so requires one month's rent plus 1-2 months' security, so that's a pipe dream and I know nobody else who can afford to pitch in and rent with me. With gas, heating, electric, internet, food and more eating away at how little I make it's just not possible, so I'm stuck living at home for the foreseeable future. I've been applying for jobs for two years now and the idea of getting a full time job seems impossible. I can't get a job in my field (psychology) because I have no experience and only a bachelor's from a near Ivy-League type school in the USA with a high GPA. I lucked out and got a 7 hour a week job at a senior center two years ago through a "summer youth employment program" and I finally managed to parlay that into a tech support job a few weeks ago (which they desperately needed someone ASAP so I lucked out, usually employers have the time to wait for the best, optimal candidate before they hire). I'm under employed and barely not a NEET but for a few years after college I was basically one. The market is fucking terrible, I'm $60k in debt (which compared to most of my friends who sit near $120k I'm doing pretty good) and I can't afford to go to grad school yet. Shit sucks. If it was possible I'd want to book a flight out of America ASAP and go to some European country if I could learn the language, guarantee a place to live/job, and manage to get over literally leaving everyone I know and love behind and moving to a whole new environment with no support structure to help me through the process.

Why Europe? Why not step down? Vietnam? Mexico? Something like that?

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;51067184]I wish I could lie on my resume and omit my college education, but a quick background search of my name you'd find where I graduated from. Then they have evidence of you lying and regardless of how good a hire you might look you're not getting the job. I'm basically barred from applying to shit jobs like McDonald's, Walmart, Home Depot, etc. because some manager is going to be afraid the guy who went to college will replace him[/quote] Lmao I actually wish a college degree was still worth that kind of scrutiny, trust me I'm sure half the workforce under a manager in a minimum wage job are at least University educated, undergraduate degrees have been made worthless by the deluge of people allowed into university today. Especially in small countries like Ireland.

don't forget all the jobs that want you to be on call

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51067230]Why Europe? Why not step down? Vietnam? Mexico? Something like that?[/QUOTE] I'd imagine if you have student debt (though 60k isn't insurmountable, but it definitely looks like a big number if you aren't making much money at all) going to a country with lower wages is counterproductive.

[QUOTE=adamsz;51059992]All I hear while looking through this thread is Pink Floyd's "Time" "Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day Fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way..." [video=youtube;NJQnzmH6jgc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJQnzmH6jgc[/video][/QUOTE] And while Pink Floyd were working their asses off on the DSotM tour Syd Barrett was living with his Mum painting and eating porkchops living comfortably