Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51063201]People flat out lie to get where they get. My boss on two different film sets(same guy) got into the business about 25-30 years ago. He had very little experience. He showed up, was asked "are you the gaffer"(head of lighting) and lied and said "Yes". He's still working today as a gaffer on major motion pictures because of that lie, big or small it helped him get places. The working world is a weird place where as long as the truth of the matter isn't exposed to the employers, if everything is going okay, everythings fine. I don't think that's okay, but that's how it seems to be.[/QUOTE] Things are completely different now. You cant do anything like that now.

Can you volunteer for things? If I couldn't work, I'd likely pick up volunteer work at an animal shelter or something like that. Not required to be anywhere you don't want to or have to be but you still have that back up option of going out and doing something. Alternatively, start some kind of personal project. Depending on what you're good at, having things like that to work on makes me feel productive.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;51069191]shit kinda pisses me off because i'm coming from the opposite direction where i'm too disabled to work and i just had to go to a hearing to legally prove that I'm useless (what a great experience) and it drives me insane not to have shit to do. I would do anything to have a job just to not be alone at home doing nothing. I'd even work for free just to get the hell out of here, but I can't work at all. being alone with your thoughts when you're mentally ill is the absolute worst and i would literally pay someone else to work for them[/QUOTE] Try making games. The world is in a desperate need of an indie VR dating sim

[QUOTE=taipan;51059133]This is why the government of a country should look at the needs of the many. And impose laws and legislation that do so. AKA: - Cheap/free Schools, - Making sure you can always at least afford living on your own on minimum wage. - Mandatory health insurance, or free healthcare - Mandatory amount of holidays so people dont become miserable. - Fairer distribution of Wealth. (Opposite of the 1% stuff we see now in the USA) This is how most Soicio-capitalist country’s work in Western Europe. However, it hurts all Managers in their pay checks and makes company’s less profitable. So in the USA where the Corporate lobby, (which is done by the company’s managers). Is very influential in the policy the government makes. This will be a very difficult thing to change.[/QUOTE] I can't comment on the Netherlands (Or Australia), but between here and the US it's same shit, different country as far as I can tell. We don't have it quite as bad as it sounds for them, but it feels like it's heading there. I'm about to start a fucking 2-week [I]training course[/I] to qualify for an interview for a job I've worked before

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51058461]Just another thing to make my generation look bad. Getting a job is hard, getting a good job is harder, getting a good job that pays well is harder still. Why should people settle for a dead end job with no hopes of it ever getting better? We were taught that we could be anything, in primary school it was all about being an astronaut or professional footballer or a lawyer, now people have to wake up and smell the shit when they realise that even with their degree they're going to be working in a super market or bar on shitty pay with no job security and few future prospects. We were sold a lie. University is expensive and if we do it there's no guarantee of us getting a good job. Why fight over scraps? Why not enjoy yourself and wait for something more suitable to come along. If it doesn't come along then the system is fucked up not the millennials getting shat on.[/QUOTE] "Why fight over scraps". Jesus, you've hit the nail on the head, and I'm going to remember that. Why the hell should any of us have to write a customised CV, one of dozens we'd be putting out, along with a well-researched, laconic cover letter, regular phone check ups to "check the status of my application", get rejected twenty-odd times, eventually suit up, phone interview, face interview, orientation day and then forsake any and all personal time for minimum wage and zero-hours burger flipping. Fuck that, I'm happy to do that for a professional job, but not something that should be no more than "help wanted" in a shop window.

I've been somewhat of a neet this past year. Mostly since I had to fill in at my mom's job since she was taking care of my grandmother. Shits awful, money is always super tight and now I'm starting my degree and I have no idea if I'll be able to finish it. Thankfully my family is helping me with rent while I use my military deposit for 2 years of tuition, and after that things will calm down and I'll be able to hold down a job. But god not working makes me feel poor and useless and it really fucks with my mood. More on topic, but how can people fill their time when unemployed? I usually have fun for a week or two but after that everything becomes dull.

[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;51070787]More on topic, but how can people fill their time when unemployed? I usually have fun for a week or two but after that everything becomes dull.[/QUOTE] Education & general interest stuff. There are many online projects where you can contribute your time. There are many online courses you can do with actual universities that are free. There are many software projects where you can contribute your time coding or otherwise. You can help projects like [url]http://archive.org[/url] in any way possible You can look at projects like [url]http://www.pgdp.net/c/[/url] and spend your time helping to proofread You can code via projects like [url]http://socialcoder.org/[/url] You can look for ways to make the world a better place (though lets face it we're talking about NEETs so you should pretty much aim to make the internet a better place) You can help to translate parts of the internet if you speak certain languages. You might not earn a degree or a paycheck but you can at least say or show you contributed to something, and beyond the professional rapport you gather with people you also can give yourself a sense of worth. You don't even have to leave your house if you're a shut in, and at the same time you can build valuable and lasting relationships with people in more formal worlds than that of video games and general internet bullshittery. The best part is that these projects [i]potentially[/i] help contribute to your employability and knowledge and at the very least make you a better human who interacts with others (when it doesn't come to vidya or earning a diploma in catching up on your favorite tv show) If it helps with the field you're interested in you can read/watch/study a whole bunch of shit that you otherwise wouldn't have been able to. The price of entry to learning new skills or contributing to the sum of knowledge has never been lower. [editline]18th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Teddybeer;51070877]Even stupid shit like having a walk can be great.[/QUOTE] If you're going to walk somewhere interesting then take some pictures and some panoramas and upload them on Google Maps or whatever service matters

I take care of my mom full time and I still feel useless compared to other people I know who actually have jobs even though I know she can't be left alone.

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;51069318]I can't comment on the Netherlands (Or Australia), but between here and the US it's same shit, different country as far as I can tell. We don't have it quite as bad as it sounds for them, but it feels like it's heading there. I'm about to start a fucking 2-week [I]training course[/I] to qualify for an interview for a job I've worked before[/QUOTE] I never knew the UK had problems like these. But looking at this thread, I can see you do. No wonder there is so much displeasure about the current situation there. (Which caused Brexit) Its not too bad compared to some other country’s: [IMG]http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/05/Youth Unemployment Global.jpg[/IMG] Do note that this is from 2014 and Spain + France are slightly better now.

with the field i am going into, the energy sector, seeing about 50% of its workers being at retirement age by 2019, i am hoping i will be able to find steady, good employment. everything i have heard about job searching has been a nightmare, and it makes me feel lucky i was able to even find a job when i did work, let alone a full time one. i don't know what the solution is but there needs to be something done about the job market.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51069262]Can you volunteer for things? If I couldn't work, I'd likely pick up volunteer work at an animal shelter or something like that. Not required to be anywhere you don't want to or have to be but you still have that back up option of going out and doing something. Alternatively, start some kind of personal project. Depending on what you're good at, having things like that to work on makes me feel productive.[/QUOTE] Volunteer work usually does wonders to your CV as well. And you'd get more contacts.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;51069191]shit kinda pisses me off because i'm coming from the opposite direction where i'm too disabled to work and i just had to go to a hearing to legally prove that I'm useless (what a great experience) and it drives me insane not to have shit to do. I would do anything to have a job just to not be alone at home doing nothing. I'd even work for free just to get the hell out of here, but I can't work at all. being alone with your thoughts when you're mentally ill is the absolute worst and i would literally pay someone else to work for them[/QUOTE] Ah it's mental illness and not physical? That can often be tougher to deal with because no one understands how hard it really is. That said, have you ever considered working for a non-profit? They tend to be a lot more forgiving and flexible, letting you work less hours or 3 days a week or whatever. Currently I work from home with a non-profit and it's awesome. [QUOTE=srobins;51063235]I wouldn't advocate lying about something that you [I]don't[/I] have, like claiming to have a degree or prior work experience, but being unemployed because of overqualification is bullshit and I don't see any real harm in telling a Tesco you've only gone through secondary rather than admitting you're a History grad who needs more work. Sorry Tesco![/QUOTE] From the employer's point of view, I can definitely see why they avoid overqualified candidates: they are often extremely unhappy and their mood/quality of work suffers for it. On the more pessimistic side of things, educated and/or overqualified employees are also significantly harder to manipulate, and depending on management style that can be the deciding factor. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51058461]Just another thing to make my generation look bad. Getting a job is hard, getting a good job is harder, getting a good job that pays well is harder still. Why should people settle for a dead end job with no hopes of it ever getting better? We were taught that we could be anything, in primary school it was all about being an astronaut or professional footballer or a lawyer, now people have to wake up and smell the shit when they realise that even with their degree they're going to be working in a super market or bar on shitty pay with no job security and few future prospects. We were sold a lie. University is expensive and if we do it there's no guarantee of us getting a good job. Why fight over scraps? Why not enjoy yourself and wait for something more suitable to come along. If it doesn't come along then the system is fucked up not the millennials getting shat on.[/QUOTE] You really nailed it with this. This was exactly how I felt after getting a post-secondary education and finding my self unable to get any jobs that were even remotely decent. All that was available to me was service sector, and there was no way in hell I was going back to that. I remember thinking that I jumped the hoops, I did my time, I paid the price: so when the fuck was it going to pay off? Thousands of resumes, cover letters, phone calls, emails, and other contacts over nearly 3 years got me exactly 3 interviews. Things are a LOT better for me now, but wow that time of my life was insanely depressing. I hated myself and pretty much everything else for that matter. That is not a place I am ever going back to.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;51073855] You really nailed it with this. This was exactly how I felt after getting a post-secondary education and finding my self unable to get any jobs that were even remotely decent. All that was available to me was service sector, and there was no way in hell I was going back to that. I remember thinking that I jumped the hoops, I did my time, I paid the price: so when the fuck was it going to pay off? Thousands of resumes, cover letters, phone calls, emails, and other contacts over nearly 3 years got me exactly 3 interviews. Things are a LOT better for me now, but wow that time of my life was insanely depressing. I hated myself and pretty much everything else for that matter. That is not a place I am ever going back to.[/QUOTE] Just to add extra salt: Those job adverts for entry level jobs which require several years of experience. ie junior web developer - degree + 5 years experience required I do partly feel its there just so they have an excuse to pay less.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;51069191]shit kinda pisses me off because i'm coming from the opposite direction where i'm too disabled to work and i just had to go to a hearing to legally prove that I'm useless (what a great experience) and it drives me insane not to have shit to do. I would do anything to have a job just to not be alone at home doing nothing. I'd even work for free just to get the hell out of here, but I can't work at all. being alone with your thoughts when you're mentally ill is the absolute worst and i would literally pay someone else to work for them[/QUOTE] You're in the perfect position to pursue online entrepreneurship. It's not really rocket science to make money online, it just takes a good deal of time to figure out where the opportunities are, and to build the relevant skills required. If you're getting decent assistance payments, then you could probably afford domain names and webhosting, which really are the building blocks of starting an online business. You could also do paid article writing and such, which while not paying great, can still be worth doing, and will make you feel productive. Avoid any "make money online" programs, e-books, mentorships, etc. It's all bullshit. Usually just MLM type stuff in disguise. Never pay any person or company to learn some money making method from them. If someone is selling you something, then don't buy it.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51058461] Why should people settle for a dead end job with no hopes of it ever getting better? [/QUOTE] Because then you can put it on your resume while you're searching for other jobs, showing that you have experience working. [quote]We were taught that we could be anything, in primary school it was all about being an astronaut or professional footballer or a lawyer, now people have to wake up and smell the shit when they realise that even with their degree they're going to be working in a super market or bar on shitty pay with no job security and few future prospects. We were sold a lie. University is expensive and if we do it there's no guarantee of us getting a good job.[/quote] University doesn't have to be expensive. If you can't afford a degree from a good college, community college is always an option (Although apparently in Britain, the naming scheme is different- but I'm fairly certain that they exist in the UK as well). Also, jobs might not be a [I]guarantee[/I] from College, but on average people who go to university get much higher paying jobs. If you get a STEM degree, the chances go up even higher. [quote] Why fight over scraps? Why not enjoy yourself and wait for something more suitable to come along. If it doesn't come along then the system is fucked up not the millennials getting shat on.[/quote] If you aren't working, an employer won't look twice at your resume if it's mostly blank (for good jobs), or if you haven't been employed for an extreme length of time- or if they do, they'll wonder why you've been unemployed for the last [x] years. Sure, you can complain about the system because it [I]is[/I] fucked, but a much more productive option is to work within it because if you don't then you won't have as many/any opportunities. Being a NEET is fine until you realize that you haven't made yourself marketable at all.

[QUOTE=taipan;51073043] Do note that this is from 2014 and Spain + France are slightly better now.[/QUOTE] Can't talk about France, but I can assure you is not for Spain. It has gone worse, as those who didn't leave already the country (like I) either are unable to find jobs, or just have terrible ones (week long contracts have become sadly common, and is rare finding someone making more of 800€ per month). I managed to find my way until here in Germany, and for the first time in my life I'm finally working on what I have studied (programmer in computer systems & web developer) in a company rather than being a mere salesclerk in small shops. It has been a hard path, but I hope I find the sucess here. The sole thing that I can say to all of you is "Keep going". I have suffered as well the devastating effects of depression due being unable to feel useful to someone, as well as the almost permanent feeling of having failed to my parents. Don't desist even if the entire world is agaisnt you. Keep seeking alternatives, new posibilities. Is hard, is consuming both physically and mentally, I know, but we must fight for what we dream or inspire us. For me, it was the feeling of not failing my friends.

[QUOTE=taipan;51073043]I never knew the UK had problems like these. But looking at this thread, I can see you do. No wonder there is so much displeasure about the current situation there. (Which caused Brexit) Its not too bad compared to some other country’s: [t]http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/05/Youth Unemployment Global.jpg[/t] Do note that this is from 2014 and Spain + France are slightly better now.[/QUOTE] While the stats are true, a great deal of youth employment is through unstable jobs, ie zero-hours contracts or as agency staff. Most of it pays dirt unless you're willing to sacrifice upwards of 40hrs a week, and very few offer any progression.

I would hold on that quality of not being sucked into consumerism for as long as possible because once you start i.e Mortgage, decent cars etc there is no going back for a long while once you discover that freedom far outweighs material things.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51080086]I would hold on that quality of not being sucked into consumerism for as long as possible because once you start i.e Mortgage, decent cars etc there is no going back for a long while once you discover that freedom far outweighs material things.[/QUOTE] Exactly. By god's grace i've managed to cut all ties with those sort of debts. I managed to reduced my neck-wringing student loan to just a few thousands, all paid, by using my university CGPA. I bought a used car which has the lowest HP by cash for like 2k USD, no debts. (My PC costs more lol) Also avoiding a lot of love interest that's only interested in marriages. Thy're the worst. Nauseating, even. Right now I'm living the poor mans life, but I also had that thing that human sought since time immemorial - freedom.

[QUOTE=taipan;51059149]Well I work in automation. I would say that the robotic fruit and vegetable packaging and sorting machines we make. Really are Physical. I do feel what you mean. If Automation does set trough to the point where even doctors etc are being replaced by robots. It might be time for post-Capitalism. Which is not unlike Communism, but with 90% free time and more freedom to choose what you want overall. However, i believe we are at least 100-300 years away from this.[/QUOTE] The bigger issue is how governments will be able to extract money from said business that automate. The truth is, governments get a huge income from taxing the workforce and direct taxing of corporations can be problematic from the existence of various loopholes, economy interconnectedness etc. Which means you're in a situations were costs a government has to bear are rising, while their income is falling. The exception to this are oil states, but the resources there are strongly domestically controlled. Getting the automated business ro bear the costs will be hugely challenging. [editline]21st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Morbo!!!;51079698]While the stats are true, a great deal of youth employment is through unstable jobs, ie zero-hours contracts or as agency staff. Most of it pays dirt unless you're willing to sacrifice upwards of 40hrs a week, and very few offer any progression.[/QUOTE] A bigger problem is, yiu cant even work those 40hours im most cases as the employer actively bars you from said in order to prevent having to give you benefits. [editline]21st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;51062546]Have you tried applying to menial labor jobs? What about fast food? Supermarkets?[/QUOTE] Problem is you are competing with high schoolers who never went to college, are able to work for cheaper and might even have more experience than you have at that very same menial labor. Guess who's more attractive to the employer.

Just a PSA, the person in question has admitted talking out of her arse. [QUOTE]A Sydney teenager portrayed as the face of youth unemployment in Australia has revealed she fabricated her story.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37426644[/url]

Well fuck it, here's my opnion and bleak outlook on life. I had a shit, part time job that was making me feel miserable, the pay was shit, the hours were shit, the people i interacted with were either ok or cunts and the people i worked with were not the kind of people i enjoy the comapny of. I was one of the best workers there frequnetly asked if i'd go full time but I threw in excuses skirting around the fact that the job was monumentally boring, stupidly stressful for no good reason beyond shit management and that working full time would have me exploited futher to make up the deficiencies rather than actually fix the fucking problems. I was litterally afraid to do more hours than i was because it was making me feel i'll. Every fucking job iv'e done has done this to me (8 now). None of them stimulated me in any way what so ever, it is soul destroying. [I]Ironically[/I] while my life is a fucking mess and there's no future in it at all, I am happier than i have been for a long time. This can't go on, i'm living on my savings which i rarely dip into but i just don't have the energy to bother chaning that right now, i dunno when or even if that drive will ever come back. I was sold the lie that all my hard work would pay off later in life and id be rewarded, was I fuck. I got rewarded with crippling depression which destroyed everything that made me someone worth knowing. I was just a hollow husk filled with resentment, hate and fucking envious of everyone able to just be happy plodding along in life with what i had. I'm not a Neet because i really want to be, fuck no i hate being a fucking failiure and i'm ashamed of myself, i shut myself away from the world and my family and my now ex because of it and simply put i can't sustain this lifestyle for long. But the choice for me was be a NEET or fight off suicidal thoughts and quiet possibly fail. Thats what employment these past 10 years did for me. Note there's other issues invovled here i'm not willing disclose, i also don't need help or guidance so don't offer any. It's just anecdotal expereince as to why I'm doing what i'm doing and i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say i aint the only one. Fun fact, i lost my job thanks to Brexit, and as someone who fucking hates Brexit, i dunno if i'm happy about that or not.

[QUOTE=Genericenemy;51083531]Just a PSA, the person in question has admitted talking out of her arse. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37426644[/url][/QUOTE] I'm not surprised, I had the feeling ever since I saw the original story in the newspaper. There seems to be a serious problem here of the media paying people to say controversial things. Eg someone here lied about having cancer and claimed she cured herself naturally through unconventional means (she was then taken to court for a number of related reasons, eg selling a book full of those lies), and then a current affairs program paid her $75,000 to appear on their show.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51058576]The idea of working a 9-5 job every day, every week for the rest of my life with only a couple of weeks of vacation every year gives me existensial anxiety.[/QUOTE] Now imagine this plus working for exactly 2€ per hour And I needed half a year to even find a job And shit you want to buy is like 50% more expensive here than in any other respectable country And quitting to go to college is scary since the entire household has no money so with my help at least it's enough to live without fear Croatia is such a shithole, makes you want to kill yourself I wish I could be a NEET so I don't have to work, I'm already used to not having any money

[QUOTE=hakimhakim;51083092]Exactly. By god's grace i've managed to cut all ties with those sort of debts. I managed to reduced my neck-wringing student loan to just a few thousands, all paid, by using my university CGPA. I bought a used car which has the lowest HP by cash for like 2k USD, no debts. (My PC costs more lol) Also avoiding a lot of love interest that's only interested in marriages. Thy're the worst. Nauseating, even. Right now I'm living the poor mans life, but I also had that thing that human sought since time immemorial - freedom.[/QUOTE] I wish I could go buy a car like that, something that runs and works reliably but my parents would boot me out the door since they think the only trustworthy car you can get is from a dealer. I mean, it makes sense if you know jackshit about cars but looking up a guide on inspecting and educating yourself on the mechanics of a car can go a long way. The money it would save me from having to finance a car could go towards paying insurance.