Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51058576]The idea of working a 9-5 job every day, every week for the rest of my life with only a couple of weeks of vacation every year gives me existensial anxiety.[/QUOTE] As long as you like the people you work with, it can take the load off a lot.

[QUOTE=Jojje;51058697]As long as you like the people you work with, it can take the load off a lot.[/QUOTE] When you have to work in a place full of bullshit company politics its a nightmare :cry:

Mentall illness is the worst, it'd be hard enough to find a job as someone who's not mentally ill, but with depression and anxiety the difficulty is spiked waaay more high than it normally is. It's disillusioning, and it's a constant reminder that society doesn't care for you, or for the weakest parts of itself.

[QUOTE=Loofiloo;51058614]I have a handful of friends that I'm morbidly curious to see how this plays out for them. Like I know this one girl who is a massive hypochondriac, daughter of a massive hypochondriac mother, has dropped out of school countless times and ghosts every job she gets after no more than a few months. She goes to the doctor so often it might as well be a hobby, only to be repeatedly told that she's not sick. Slightly different from a NEET but I'm still curious to know what's going to happen to her in a couple years when she loses access to her mom's health insurance. Especially after seeing what I have of the world, finding out that going to college was fairly pointless, and that working over 40 hours a week at two jobs is still not enough for me to move out into the world's cheapest apartment. I think I know one, maybe two people my age who have moved out of their parents' homes, and everyone else (including me) has a really shitty relationship with their parents because the parents all expect their kids to have moved out of the house by age 18. And a lot of those parents (including my own) charge their kids rent, I guess as a means to prepare them for "the real world" but really all it does is make it even harder for us to support ourselves.[/QUOTE] I think the problem being is that with the 20th century everything has become interconnected and the very multinational corporations and such will shaft you and your community to get something created somewhere else 20 cents cheaper. Even higher-end jobs security is eroding because even Disney World is pushing in Indian IT and making their staff train them before getting the boot. This would've been fine if it was fair, but it isn't. And what makes it worse is that although general income is increasing it's getting outpaced by how much living costs nowadays. And if you want to strike out on your own it's becoming quickly impossible to do so without getting mired in debt and getting fucked over for the rest of your life. I can understand the NEET lifestlye and even did it my own before managing to get into University last year for Comp Sci, and I HEAVILY FUCKING FAVOUR GETTING OUT AND DOING SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEING ON THE COMPUTER ALL FUCKING DAY. But it's quickly becoming shit. NEETs are a byproduct of society (At least, most of them.) But it's also the biggest problem being that we're also becoming quickly isolated in communities and there's absolutely not feeling of community any more other than the small home town feel that few cities have anymore. It all adds up into this self-inflicting, hating and depressed lifestyle because there's a lacking will of society that makes people feel that they're apart of something bigger than themselves that they can positively contribute to, and it's getting worse with how easy transportation and (emigration/immigration) is nowadays. People can easily say that the all-stars of every generation have mostly built themselves up from the ground, and indeed they have, but it takes an extra special person that a lot of people are not to dedicate themselves to something and work to maintain it over decades to get where they are. All the while Millenials are getting bombarded with environment concerns, getting lambasted by the media for being lazy, feeling neglected as it's becoming increasingly transparent that the politicians that they voted in (at least once) don't actually care for you (or most of them don't.) outside of getting their paycheck and pension. Being within a rich society that gives gadgets and gizmos that people can get for their hearts desire doesn't mean that those people are going to be happy when outside of such entertainment they're unable to do anything meaningful. It's also a reason why a lot of, ahem, more primitive societies likely still have the higher rate of happiness because it's quite apparent that whatever they do for themselves, customers, employer, neighbour etc is easily reflected by society. It's also the reason why a lot of people devote themselves to fussing over useless inane shit (Part of SJW. This does not include feminism or any other legitimate thing, mind you wonderful folks.) Because, I think, that people need the knowing that what they do will help their society instead of simply being ground down. And a lot of Western societies have turned into the beast that will cannibalize it's children so that their (grand)parents/rich can lead happier lives. It's showing in the birth rate as well as the drug use and other plethora of things. Western Society needs to reinvent itself so that it doesn't kill itself by eating it's children. This doesn't lump sums or wonderful positions that pay 100k$ for flipping a burger out of the gate, it simply means that Millenials, like me, just want to have the idea that we can be independent and make a change without sliding into debt. That the majority of us can help our society instead of being ground into paste.

as someone living in Australia, in a state that has barely any jobs being created at all (queensland), and has so since birth, more and more young people are becoming NEETs because after constant job searching, doing government-funded courses and stuff, you still fail at getting a job. Any level of employment, whether it be full-time, part-time or even casual, the requirements are hyped up to the point where any HR person sees a resume that doesn't have even just 1 of those requirements, gets binned straight away. The situation is made worse due to the fact that the amount of jobs being created is rapidly shrinking every year. The governments of Australia, both state and federal, claim they are doing good on creating jobs but that's only for people that have at least 10+ years of work experience under their belt already, all the while screwing over those who have none. They also are negligent on the fact most jobs being created now, are casual jobs or contract jobs, not to mention the growing practice of leaving people on "payroll" even though they get no hours what so ever in order to say an individual is "employed" yet in truth are not and are more or less on a "zero-hour contract".

I had a job bagging groceries at an Asian Supermarket for a month in the summer, I needed cash to help pay for school. It was the worst experience of my life, because I had to put up with people and tasks solely because I wanted a paycheck. My next 10 years will have me working in my field of study at least long enough to pay off my debt. I think I will like it, but I don't have the freedom to go back or work in a different area because of my loan investments. I can respect the NEET lifestyle. People should be able to find something they love doing and make a living off of it, and that's not possible in many cases. Of course the lifestyle goes with the pay of the job, but what's the point of trying when you can either make more money flipping burgers, or have a better lifestyle on NEETbux? You need a balance of both money and lifestyle to get people wanting to work.

[QUOTE=pentium;51058597]Because of the climate in the Pacific Northwest I see a ton of drifters and transients between 18 and 30 who pretty much travel between Vancouver and Calgary depending on the weather and either bunk under bridges, homeless shelters or crackhouses but as for food and money between panhandling and the soup kitchen they can hold their weight, a ruck sack and at least one dog. They're always in front of Value Village or the public library bumming for money.[/QUOTE] Can't blame em for living like that. Working just about any job within their reach seems more like a trade-off than actual improvement to life. [QUOTE=Loofiloo;51058614]Especially after seeing what I have of the world, finding out that going to college was fairly pointless, and that working over 40 hours a week at two jobs is still not enough for me to move out into the world's cheapest apartment. I think I know one, maybe two people my age who have moved out of their parents' homes, and everyone else (including me) has a really shitty relationship with their parents because the parents all expect their kids to have moved out of the house by age 18. And a lot of those parents (including my own) charge their kids rent, I guess as a means to prepare them for "the real world" but really all it does is make it even harder for us to support ourselves.[/QUOTE] I find it interesting how we seemed to transition back to the norm where children still live at home through early adulthood. Maybe it's just more of a cyclic thing based on the opportunities for advancement in life, as right now many young adults are getting stuck in a rut, struggling to make ends meet. I can see other norms changing as well as people adapt to the societal climate change. [QUOTE=.Vel;51058650]Being a neet myself, I don't see how someone can want to be one their entire life. Reason behind that is probably because I've done nothing but play video games since june. Just doesn't feel right not being productive in some way.[/QUOTE] Depends on the person, but others do feel that way. During extended down times, I noticed at some points I was perfectly content with doing nothing productive, yet others I had an itch to get something useful done. Though I have a creative hobby that scratches that itch any time it comes up, so I'd probably be one of those content living a life without work.

its not that i'm unwilling to work its that HR doesn't know what the fuck they're looking for and entry level now requires 3-5 years experience in that specific field, even sales positions require 3.0+ minimum college GPA and ontop of that they want the right "character" the entire resume process is complete bullshit

[QUOTE=Aetna;51058457]Up to them if they don't want to contribute to society. Life will put them wherever it wants to anyway. I don't endorse the behavior but it doesnt come as a shock either.[/QUOTE] Having a job =/= contributing to society Some people have jobs that do but most don't. I don't see how working in a call centre making money for some rich asshole for my entire life is contributing to society lol. I can completely understand why people don't want to become easily replaceable cogs in a corporate machine for their entire lives. Even if it means they're poor at least they're happy. They were actually talking about this on the radio yesterday and they quoted a NEET who said that she "didn't want to work for her entire life and then die" and the radio hosts thought it was funny. Easy for a radio host who doesn't have to slave away in a dead end job to say.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;51058714]Man you are really throwing stones in a glass house. -pix-[/QUOTE] I don't cut my hair but nice try. ;^)

[QUOTE=pentium;51058597]Because of the climate in the Pacific Northwest I see a ton of drifters and transients between 18 and 30 who pretty much travel between Vancouver and Calgary depending on the weather and either bunk under bridges, homeless shelters or crackhouses but as for food and money between panhandling and the soup kitchen they can hold their weight, a ruck sack and at least one dog. They're always in front of Value Village or the public library bumming for money. I don't take words from a shithead with an awful haircut.[/QUOTE] Lmao did Adam shit in your cereal or something?

[QUOTE=evilweazel;51058508]Yeah, that isn't how the world has ever worked, even when people were "dreaming about being anything" or whatever. The footballers, astronauts, and lawyers of the world certainly didn't get where they are by waiting for the perfect thing to pop up. Because, well... You don't get to sit around on your ass until the "perfect" thing for you falls in your lap, that isn't going to help your situation at all. You work while you "wait for it" or actively work your way towards it. Get the notion that you're entitled to the perfect job because you graduated with X degree out of your head, because you're not. [/quote] So why lie to kids? Why tell them they can be super rich why tell them they can be astronauts? Why tell people to go to university? A load of people with degrees I know, even semi good ones like economics, are working in retail. Why shouldn't people be able to wait for their perfect job, do what they want till then? Why should anyone be expected to work stacking shelves or wiping old peoples asses for minimum wage? If the only way those jobs are filled are people who are literally desperate for work (ie wage slaves) or young people who are told they "have to work in that job because this is working your way to the better job" then perhaps the job needs to pay a salary making it worth actually working there for. I'm sorta angry because people like you are part of the problem. The person providing the minimum wage shit job is just doing what they're supposed to ie make as much profit as possible but you are part of the system trying to coerce your peers/other people into working those dead end jobs. [quote] I work a job that sucks ass. Why? It pays for me to get on my way to a spot in life where I can pay for a continued education, I gain actual knowledge of what it is like to work and the routine that comes with it, and I gain real experience and references/networking I can use to move up, or to something else, one step closer to where I want to be. [/quote] GL gaining enough money to do anything stacking shelves. GL gaining enough "experiences"/references/"networking" stacking shelves. There are many jobs which offer absolutely nothing to the worker bar the money paid for the work. That money paid is often close to minimum wage and the only reason people work in that job is because they are either forced to or they are so peer pressured into the work by slugs like you that they feel there is no other option. Until people feel they have the choice not to work if the conditions aren't good enough wages will continue to flatline and people will continue to be trapped in shit jobs for their whole lives. [quote] Sitting around waiting for the perfect thing to be handed to you is not, and certainly should not, be a viable option. If the millennial idea of getting a job runs contrary to that, then it is fundamentally flawed.[/QUOTE] Why shouldn't people be able to do what they want? If society is run with the assumption that people [b]should[/b] accept working in a job they don't enjoy for their whole life, living between paychecks with little to no possibility of real improvement then how is that any better than slavery? Only difference is we can choose our masters. Pick the alternative, put value on your time, don't fall into the trap and live your life in misery. Enjoy youth while you can and either hold out for a better job or delay the soul crushing grind till you're older. Trying to make NEETs out to be selfish or stupid is just another pathetic attempt by disgustingly privileged older generations to make millennials out to be entitled squirts. The sort of assholes so say "put on a suit and go hand your CV out" its naive and obsolete thats not how things happen anymore. Mobility is far lower now. My generation will be the first since the 1600s to make less than a previous generation in all stages of life. Thats fucked up to high hell. Thats a bad system and people like you pressuring people to subbing themselves to that system are part of the problem.

I think the worst part of it is how unnecessary this all is, we produce way too fucking much, way more than we need to. It's more than possible for the average work week to be <20 hours. But nah, we collectively have chosen more stuff rather than fewer hours. And many jobs don't even really need to exist comprising a huge chunk of the service industry. Oh well, mass automation will be a huge kick in the gut to society that will probably change this.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51058733]Lmao did Adam shit in your cereal or something?[/QUOTE] No, he just came across as pink noise either trying to snuff out social problems or to push some of his own shit.

[QUOTE=pentium;51058741]No, he just came across as pink noise either trying to snuff out social problems or to push some of his own shit.[/QUOTE] You seem overly angry about this guy. [editline]b[/editline] And im pretty sure, no offense, you're the last guy who should be dismissing other people for having shitty haircuts.

Having to work at a demented shithole just to not die is not a fate that any human being should endure, and should basically be considered a human rights violation, otherwise it's essentially modern slavery, and having income doesn't really change that because you are still enslaved to a place that you despise for a gargantuan portion of your life. There needs to be some kind of a massive change in labor culture or approach to labor in general, because right now all that we seem to be getting is a huge number of miserable as fuck people who are greatly struggling with not being miserable as fuck. To be entirely honest I do not understand a lot of human beings, or why our societies have managed to form in a way that encourages this kind of objectively defective behavior, or why human nature in general has to function in such a fucking retarded way.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51058740]I think the worst part of it is how unnecessary this all is, we produce way too fucking much, way more than we need to. It's more than possible for the average work week to be <20 hours. But nah, we collectively have chosen more stuff rather than fewer hours. [/QUOTE] It's all about economics. Yeah it's perfectly possible to have much less work than we do, we'd also produce less and shops would be closed more often. Money would circulate less. But then our neighbor country with a 40 hour work week and all-day-every-day stores would be producing much more, and making much more, and we would be left in the dust. And that's already happening despite our current attitudes, because wageslaves in Asia will do factory work for a fraction what we would because their government allows it.

Every day I spent 1/3 of my day at a job that pays me just enough to make rent, as long as I'm on food stamps. I get berated on a daily basis by my boss, who has gutted my department but expects us to increase our performance. I have never had a vacation, I get no paid time off, and I'm very strictly forced to work exactly 34 hours a week, so that I don't get benefits or overtime. And this is the best job I've held so far. Every day I ask myself what the point is. I'm not contributing to society. I'm not improving anyone's life, not even my own. I'm just being forced by society to make myself miserable so that I have a place to live, and food to eat. That's all my life is. I work so that I can eat, so that I can work, so that I can eat. This isn't a life. This is barely even an existence. This is pointless. But I have no say in the matter. Its what society has deemed "right" for me. I've developed a crippling depression because of my pointless, forced existence. And the worst part is that all of my peers are in the same situation. I don't know anyone that isn't in an equally pointless cycle. When [b]that[/b] is the alternative to being NEET, I don't blame a single person that checks out. I say good on them. Don't waste your limited time in a stupid, worthless cycle. Live your life being happy. That's more important than destroying your body to make somebody else wealthy. I'm typing all of this while I'm on the bus to work.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51058576]The idea of working a 9-5 job every day, every week for the rest of my life with only a couple of weeks of vacation every year gives me existensial anxiety.[/QUOTE] Oh hey I get that too. Even though I don't mind my job and quite like going the thought of having to wake up at 7am everyday for the next 40 years is daunting and makes we just want to drop out

Wish I could live as a NEET instead of having to make a choice between physically and mentally killing myself at a job that doesn't care about disability or working only once or twice a week for little to no pay. I'm trying to start my own business so I can make my own schedule and live how I want while still being able to support myself but let me tell you if I had the option and monetary means to just pursue my passions for the rest of my life without having to actually work, I'd take that option in a heartbeat. Money is usually a motivator for a lot of people but when you have to make a choice between money and pain or no money but considerably less pain, it kinda loses its pull.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51058797]It's all about economics. Yeah it's perfectly possible to have much less work than we do, we'd also produce less and shops would be closed more often. Money would circulate less. But then our neighbor country with a 40 hour work week and all-day-every-day stores would be producing much more, and making much more, and we would be left in the dust. And that's already happening despite our current attitudes, because wageslaves in Asia will do factory work for a fraction what we would because their government allows it.[/QUOTE] Yep, quite a shame too that we're stuck with this for awhile at least, it's killing the planet as well.

[QUOTE=genkaz92;51058770]Having to work at a demented shithole just to not die is not a fate that any human being should endure, and should basically be considered a human rights violation, otherwise it's essentially modern slavery, and having income doesn't really change that because you are still enslaved to a place that you despise for a gargantuan portion of your life. There needs to be some kind of a massive change in labor culture or approach to labor in general, because right now all that we seem to be getting is a huge number of miserable as fuck people who are greatly struggling with not being miserable as fuck. To be entirely honest I do not understand a lot of human beings, or why our societies have managed to form in a way that encourages this kind of objectively defective behavior, or why human nature in general has to function in such a fucking retarded way.[/QUOTE] I hold serious doubt any single person intended things to end up like this. This analogy is probably the best explanation: Take that trolley question you see posted everywhere and apply a self-driving car to it. The autopilot represents the person holding the lever, the lone person as the driver, and the group of people as a group of people. The question is should the autopilot value the driver or a greater number of individuals more? Ask anybody which self-driving vehicles should protect, and they'll almost always say the group of people. But if this person were to actually choose a vehicle for personal use, they'd rather have the one that will protect the driver. A majority of people know that things really should be done to help society. But in the end, many individuals have a stronger tendency to lean towards selfishness and fulfillment of their own interests. However, as far as I know, it's this same selfishness of ours that helped society to get to where it is now, even though society has bit off more than it can chew. A double edged sword. If you really want to know why we act that way, look no further than evolution and survival of the fittest. Baggage that we unfortunately continue to carry.

I've been a neet for almost 5 months now. It's made me develop depression. And now I may be getting a job offloading trucks at Walmart for minimum wage just so I can have money to pay off my student loans. And that's got me even more depressed. I can't imagine how shitty I'll be in a year.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51058576]The idea of working a 9-5 job [B]every day, every week for the rest of my life [/B]with only a couple of weeks of vacation every year gives me existensial anxiety.[/QUOTE] what are weekends

[QUOTE=phygon;51058888]what are weekends[/QUOTE] what is mild hyperbole

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51058819]Every day I spent 1/3 of my day at a job that pays me just enough to make rent, as long as I'm on food stamps. I get berated on a daily basis by my boss, who has gutted my department but expects us to increase our performance. I have never had a vacation, I get no paid time off, and I'm very strictly forced to work exactly 34 hours a week, so that I don't get benefits or overtime. And this is the best job I've held so far. Every day I ask myself what the point is. I'm not contributing to society. I'm not improving anyone's life, not even my own. I'm just being forced by society to make myself miserable so that I have a place to live, and food to eat. That's all my life is. I work so that I can eat, so that I can work, so that I can eat. This isn't a life. This is barely even an existence. This is pointless. But I have no say in the matter. Its what society has deemed "right" for me. I've developed a crippling depression because of my pointless, forced existence. And the worst part is that all of my peers are in the same situation. I don't know anyone that isn't in an equally pointless cycle. When [b]that[/b] is the alternative to being NEET, I don't blame a single person that checks out. I say good on them. Don't waste your limited time in a stupid, worthless cycle. Live your life being happy. That's more important than destroying your body to make somebody else wealthy. I'm typing all of this while I'm on the bus to work.[/QUOTE] Community college is an option. So is trade school, if you're willing to take out a loan. Also it sounds like you need to get to a psych/therapist if you can

[QUOTE=Blade Rx69;51058878]I hold serious doubt any single person intended things to end up like this.[/QUOTE] bear in mind that it is not my intention to point fingers or blame anyone for anything specific, however at the same time it is difficult not to express extensive existential frustration with so many people being so unhappy. I just want humanity to be a happier and more balanced place really, we can absolutely keep having challenges or obstacles. It would just be nice to get a mixture that is even a little bit less ruthless towards the individual, which doesn't consist of people ending up in such unreasonably nightmarish situations, including the ones being mentioned in this thread. The problem is that this is not even the exciting or varied kind of adversity, the kind that makes you feel scared or thrilled but something that actually feels like a living experience, this is just boundless grey monotony which gradually erodes at you, which is considerably more fucked up.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51058897]what is mild hyperbole[/QUOTE] I don't know about you but that isn't a mild hyperbole to me. The difference mentally between working business days and working 7 days a week would be astounding for me. Others seem to also be implying that 7 days a week is a normal schedule: [QUOTE=Doozle;51058830]Oh hey I get that too. Even though I don't mind my job and quite like going the thought of having to wake up at 7am everyday for the next 40 years is daunting and makes we just want to drop out[/QUOTE]

They're just teens. They're going to grow out of being "NEETs" eventually realizing that they had wasted their time chilling at Macca's and not doing anything much. :speechless: (From experience.)

Literally nothing wrong with being a NEET if it's on the government's dime