Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pascall;51058846]Wish I could live as a NEET instead of having to make a choice between physically and mentally killing myself at a job that doesn't care about disability or working only once or twice a week for little to no pay. I'm trying to start my own business so I can make my own schedule and live how I want while still being able to support myself but let me tell you if I had the option and monetary means to just pursue my passions for the rest of my life without having to actually work, I'd take that option in a heartbeat. Money is usually a motivator for a lot of people but when you have to make a choice between money and pain or no money but considerably less pain, it kinda loses its pull.[/QUOTE] Living a chunk of your life at someone else's behest has literally no payoff. Completely pointless unless the logistical gains are high enough. Life is short. Life lived in grind is even shorter and for not much. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;51058904]I don't know about you but that isn't a mild hyperbole to me. The difference mentally between working business days and working 7 days a week would be astounding for me. Others seem to also be implying that 7 days a week is a normal schedule:[/QUOTE] In fast food, medical and service industries, 7 days a week is the new normal and has been for about 20 years in the US.

[QUOTE=phygon;51058904]I don't know about you but that isn't a mild hyperbole to me. The difference mentally between working business days and working 7 days a week would be astounding for me. Others seem to also be implying that 7 days a week is a normal schedule:[/QUOTE] no, you're just reading into it too much and requiring too much specificity out of passing comments considering that in my work life in various different careers, sometimes 7 day work weeks aren't abnormal. When I worked in film I spent the better part of 5 months working 6 days, often 7. In other jobs, I never worked more than 5. But regardless of that, people across all those jobs, all those fields all seemed to call their work week a "week" and leave it at that rather than specify anything about weekends

[QUOTE=27X;51058925] In fast food, medical and service industries, 7 days a week is the new normal and has been for about 20 years in the US.[/QUOTE] the 7 days a week thing ESPECIALLY needs to go fuck itself, even the busiest work schedule ever needs to have a reasonable amount of time for you to be human in.

Everyone of my friends who goes to uni has a job, I don't see how you can afford it without having a job, the $200 or $400 a fortnight isn't enough for transport, food, and if your receive the $400, rent. I'm very lucky with my job, got it through my school out of 1500 applicant's down to 150 where they culled all but ~6 ( there are people who are hired but don't receive any work, we're all casual). Without that job opportunity through school, I don't know how I would ever find a job, or be in the position I am now.

I know a bunch of 'neets' and I study part time due to real life stuff and have been told I'm a neet too (apparently?) i apply for jobs constantly when they come up, the worst is that some positions show you how many people apply for them and it's usually thousands for a single position at a shitty retail place and half the time you don't even get a human being that tells you you didn't get the job, just an automated email, and I live in one of the smaller cities in Aus. people I know that are currently neets had jobs but were either let go or got sick of working the same menial task over and over again with no progress or opportunities in sight. Most are also depressed as fuck and wish they could find a job. Fuck this article tbh, most neets hate being neet and aren't neet by choice. It's depressing as fuck

I would be a NEET if my parents didn't force me to study and get a job to sustain my family. I barely buy anything else than food as it is, but now I'm finishing my studies against my will for a desk job I don't want. All I want is to be able to sustain myself and have free time to do the things I want to do.

[QUOTE=Hiruty;51058959]Everyone of my friends who goes to uni has a job, I don't see how you can afford it without having a job, the $200 or $400 a fortnight isn't enough for transport, food, and if your receive the $400, rent.[/QUOTE] going to uni without a job is a great way to lose weight I've noticed, you don't have the time or money to eat half the time

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51058969]going to uni without a job is a great way to lose weight I've noticed, you don't have the time or money to eat half the time[/QUOTE] I loose on average 8kg a semester, luckily I can afford to put it back on, but legit it's the best weight loss tactic I've ever seen. (Although I am a bit heavier than most at 82kg normally)

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51058969]going to uni without a job is a great way to lose weight I've noticed, you don't have the time or money to eat half the time[/QUOTE] Not to mention saving money on transport by legging it or investing in a cheap bike.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51058963]Fuck this article tbh, most neets hate being neet and aren't neet by choice. It's depressing as fuck[/QUOTE] i think this is the biggest thing. the problem is that there's just no advancement anymore. the job market is completely saturated, and there aren't enough openings. combine that with a market that is shrinking daily, and soon will be shrinking exponentially due to shifting priorities and automation, and not only is it almost impossible to find a job, but what is and will be available will be complete menial trash work. sure, someone has to do it, but it means that those people with ideas and aspirations who simply dont have the means or time to do it never will, because they'll just be eaten up by the machine. as someone said earlier in this thread, even as a current college student with good grades and great test scores, unless i come up with some kind of amazing product or service somehow, and get incredibly lucky with timing and marketing, i'll probably be stuck working a 9-5 office job for the rest of my life, and that thought honestly makes me want to jump off a bridge.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51058477]as automation starts taking more and more jobs, we are going to see more and more NEETs. We should be laying the groundwork for universal income [B]now[/B] if we don't want to face major economic crisis[/QUOTE] Automation doesn’t really take jobs it changes them by increasing overall welfare. With increased welfare comes higher salary’s and less working hours. When the first automatic Loom was build during the industrial revolution, workers were also saying that in a few years everybody would be out of work as a single loom could replace 10 workers. Instead these 10 workers went from manually knitting ropes together all day to better less braindead work. The same can be said for Henry Ford’s automatic car assembly line, people where very distrustful of it at first. But together with the assembly line he also introduced the 40 hour workweek, which made sure everybody kept their job, made the same amount of money and had more free time. Overall welfare increased. Currently we can see the same, where young people with higher education can manage on 32 hour workweeks already, due to the massive increased productivity computers bring. Now we just need to find a way to distribute this wealth to the low education workers, some form of universal income might indeed be an answer.

[QUOTE=taipan;51059032]Automation doesn’t really take jobs it changes them by increasing overall welfare. With increased welfare comes higher salary’s and less working hours. When the first automatic Loom was build during the industrial revolution, workers were also saying that in a few years everybody would be out of work as a single loom could replace 10 workers. Instead these 10 workers went from manually knitting ropes together all day to better less braindead work. The same can be said for Henry Ford’s automatic car assembly line, people where very distrustful of it at first. But together with the assembly line he also introduced the 40 hour workweek, which made sure everybody kept their job, made the same amount of money and had more free time. Overall welfare increased. Currently we can see the same, where young people with higher education can manage on 32 hour workweeks already, due to the massive increased productivity computers bring. Now we just need to find a way to distribute this wealth to the low education workers, some form of universal income might indeed be an answer.[/QUOTE] That's just not going to be the case though. A loom is a tangible singular object. Automation is not. Comparisons are hard to come by and all are going to be wrong. Yes, there will still be jobs. Those jobs are going to be incredibly specialized jobs though, or customer facing jobs. I am highly skeptical that there will be a glut of work when automation comes around, I don't believe there will be more jobs than before.

Eh, staying home all day and just playing video games all day sounds like the dream, but even that can get old for me. Like being on vacation for too long.

[QUOTE=xZippy;51059050]Eh, staying home all day and just playing video games all day sounds like the dream, but even that can get old for me. Like being on vacation for too long.[/QUOTE] It's like when you browse reddit too much. You get bored. Or sleepy, take a nap, then wake up to check reddit again. At some point, you realize that you want to travel to new places but can't because you don't have the funds for it, or it's not affordable to do so.

[QUOTE=taipan;51059032]Automation doesn’t really take jobs it changes them by increasing overall welfare. With increased welfare comes higher salary’s and less working hours. When the first automatic Loom was build during the industrial revolution, workers were also saying that in a few years everybody would be out of work as a single loom could replace 10 workers. Instead these 10 workers went from manually knitting ropes together all day to better less braindead work. The same can be said for Henry Ford’s automatic car assembly line, people where very distrustful of it at first. But together with the assembly line he also introduced the 40 hour workweek, which made sure everybody kept their job, made the same amount of money and had more free time. Overall welfare increased.[/QUOTE] the thing is, previous automation still needed the human element. we are rapidly reaching a point where automation no longer requires humans and would in fact be actively hindered by humans. it is the creation of a workforce that can work 24/7/365 at maximum capacity that can be managed and maintained by a handful of people. we have no precedent for this.

So I'm gonna chip in here. I'm sure a few people are going to shit on me, and I'm sure the "get a real job" is gonna get hurled my way (as it always does), as well as the "stop bragging" (even though that is absolutely [b]not[/b] my intent, ever). I hear what most of you are saying, about the lack of motivation to get a job, the oversaturation, the lack of advancement, the "I just want to be able to support myself and my own and even that feels like a lofty dream". And I fully understand and agree with all of you. I have always wanted to be a programmer. I started writing code for mods when I was 13 years old. During my junior and senior years of high school, I utilized a program my school had that allowed me to get two years of community college in completely free, before switching over to a public university and graduating with a fairly high GPA in computer science, focusing on data structures. And what have I done with that degree? Absolutely nothing. I graduated in the Spring of 2015 with a GPA of about 3.74 (out of a 4.0 GPA), which isn't super-amazing but it's nothing to scoff at. A friend of mine who graduated the same time as me, computer science, spent months constantly applying for jobs all across the country. It took her nearly 4 months to [B]finally[/B] be accepted anywhere, and it was literally two-thirds the country away: [t]https://my.mixtape.moe/blcupf.png[/t] I have another friend who graduated about 4 months ago, also computer science, and almost [B]every single day[/B] he puts in anywhere from 2-to-5 resumes. The majority of them he hears nothing back whatsoever, and the ones he does hear back from usually reject him within 24 hours. I myself spent a few months looking for jobs that were admittedly more local to me (I would like to state in Washington if I can), before I finally gave up looking. The only way I have been able to sustain myself is because I completely lucked out: my hobby of 3d erotic art I started as a uni freshman somehow generated enough attention and support from people that I am able to not only pay my rent, pay my bills, pay my student loan, pay half of my parents' part of said student loan (an agreement my parents and I came to when I went to uni was I pay my loan + half of theirs), buy groceries, [B]but also[/B] be able to compensate people helping me with my projects (voicing, animating, etc). All from my Patreon. So here I am, an avid fan of all things programming, whose been breathing code since he was 13 years old, who went to school for programming and graduated with respectably high grades... and I'm not only making enough money to live by making porn of 3d characters, I'm making enough to pay other people to help contribute to that. [B]How fucked up is that?[/B] Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about my situation, but also I'm not trying to say I am better than anyone else, or to brag, or anything like that. I'm just trying to point out how bloody [B]absurd[/B] it is that there is all of us young, fit, intelligent people who are willing and wanting to work, to support ourselves and our own... and those skills and desires are being squandered, in my case, in exchange for making porn. I empathize with each and every one of you. Especially those who have anxiety when they think about the life of 9-to-5 five-days-a-week for-the-next-30-to-40-years that the previous generations think "is just the way it is." I grew up in a family where every day my father would wake up, lament having to go to work, spent [B]12 hours[/B] at an understaffed and overworked mill, come home, complain about how much he hates his job, eat dinner, and go to bed, just to wake up in 8 hours and do it all over again for [B]five days in a row[/B], with only two or three days between the work weeks. I don't want that to be my life, and I don't think it fair that anyone should have to suffer that. I understand that not everyone has the choice, not everyone gets the lucky break of having their dream job. But dammit, it isn't fair that people have to get shafted with that, unless they (for some reason) genuinely want that working-stiff experience. So know that my hearts go out to all of you.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;51058922]Literally nothing wrong with being a NEET if it's on the government's dime[/QUOTE] But what if the government could use that dime to improve healthcare or education instead? There's plenty wrong with taking something without contributing anything back.

[QUOTE=xZippy;51059050]Eh, staying home all day and just playing video games all day sounds like the dream, but even that can get old for me. Like being on vacation for too long.[/QUOTE] Yeah honestly. Too much good gets bland incredibly fast, that principle goes for a lot of things.

I really only have one particular desire as far as my life goes, and that's to get a job that I enjoy and allows me to still have a life. I don't need to be rich, I can be happy with that.

[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;51058522]Who pays for the NEET lifestyle? where do they live?[/QUOTE] Here in ausland the government pays for it. So basically the people who can be bothered working. Its fucking sad looking at the budget breakdown for centrelink and realize how much this hurts Australias overall health. If they have well off parents tho they cant get welfare unless they move out and their home is deemed unsuitable (which is unsurprisingly often fraudulent and parents are in on it), which many people did after I finished school that I know of. Yeah its hard getting a job, my girlfriend sent out over 800 resumes over 7 months just for 16 hours a week, if doing that fails in Australia theres interest free loans for getting trained at a TAFE or uni until youre qualified enough that an employer gives you a second look.

More bullshit to accuse millennials of being lazy. It's bullshit - sure, there are some people out there who are lazy and won't lift a fingers but there are far more people who are looking for work but places just aren't hiring. Most places won't even take a glance at your CV even if you hand it in and I know because I spent months doing it whilst on jobseekers welfare (where you're expected to mindlessly fire off as many CVs as possible knowing businesses are probably gonna just toss it in the trash because the DWP doesn't give a shit) and if there's anything that pisses me off it's the fact that there's people born in the relative prosperity of the 40s-60s look down and patronise us as if they understand our circumstances. Baby boomers are the worst. They'll whinge and moan about how "We weren't spoiled, we had to work hard in our day" and "When I was your age I had a job and my own house" except in their day they could get a job at most places with minimal qualifications and could actually afford to move into a house without incurring thousands of debt. They'll be able to retire, we won't. Worst still they're occupying positions in the big companies that are preventing younger people from moving up and looking down at us like dirt, then acting indignant about it when we start voicing our complaints. In the end it isn't their day. It's our day. And it's time they moved out of the way.

[QUOTE=Blade Rx69;51058878] A majority of people know that things really should be done to help society. But in the end, many individuals have a stronger tendency to lean towards selfishness and fulfillment of their own interests. However, as far as I know, it's this same selfishness of ours that helped society to get to where it is now, even though society has bit off more than it can chew. A double edged sword. [/QUOTE] This is why the government of a country should look at the needs of the many. And impose laws and legislation that do so. AKA: - Cheap/free Schools, - Making sure you can always at least afford living on your own on minimum wage. - Mandatory health insurance, or free healthcare - Mandatory amount of holidays so people dont become miserable. - Fairer distribution of Wealth. (Opposite of the 1% stuff we see now in the USA) This is how most Soicio-capitalist country’s work in Western Europe. However, it hurts all Managers in their pay checks and makes company’s less profitable. So in the USA where the Corporate lobby, (which is done by the company’s managers). Is very influential in the policy the government makes. This will be a very difficult thing to change.

[QUOTE=taipan;51059133]This is why the government of a country should look at the needs of the many. And impose laws and legislation that do so. AKA: - Cheap/free Schools, - Making sure you can always at least afford living on your own on minimum wage. - Mandatory health insurance, or free healthcare - Mandatory amount of holidays so people dont become miserable. - Fairer distribution of Wealth. (Opposite of the 1% stuff we see now in the USA) This is how most Soicio-capitalist country’s work in Western Europe. However, it hurts all Managers in their pay checks and makes company’s less profitable. So in the USA where the Corporate lobby, (which is done by the company’s managers). Is very influential in the policy the government makes. This will be a very difficult thing to change.[/QUOTE] Except the 1% control the governments to a large degree. The distribution of wealth is always bound to fuck over majority of people, and the 1% dont want any of the things you listed

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51059037]That's just not going to be the case though. A loom is a tangible singular object. Automation is not. Comparisons are hard to come by and all are going to be wrong. Yes, there will still be jobs. Those jobs are going to be incredibly specialized jobs though, or customer facing jobs. I am highly skeptical that there will be a glut of work when automation comes around, I don't believe there will be more jobs than before.[/QUOTE] Well I work in automation. I would say that the robotic fruit and vegetable packaging and sorting machines we make. Really are Physical. I do feel what you mean. If Automation does set trough to the point where even doctors etc are being replaced by robots. It might be time for post-Capitalism. Which is not unlike Communism, but with 90% free time and more freedom to choose what you want overall. However, i believe we are at least 100-300 years away from this.

The only downside of being a neet is that you don't have much moneybto move around on. Other that it's chill as fuck. Everyone should try it for a while imo, just don't let it get out hand.

[QUOTE=Ishwoo;51059082]But what if the government could use that dime to improve healthcare or education instead? There's plenty wrong with taking something without contributing anything back.[/QUOTE] My 10k per year if I was a NEET (and that probably too high) wouldn't even be noticed in the budget

[QUOTE=Tasm;51059139]Except the 1% control the governments to a large degree. The distribution of wealth is always bound to fuck over majority of people, and the 1% dont want any of the things you listed[/QUOTE] Well yes in the USA and other overly capitalist country's. The government likes it this way, because this is how the USA is the powerhouse that it is today. Highly skilled laborers that are cheap to boot. Almost no other country could manage that in the past 50 years. However, I really dont feel like my government, or the government of most country's around, me is overly influenced by the 1%. Lobbying happens, but is seen more like corruption here. So there is another way. I found this post really interesting in understanding why there are suddenly so many NEETS: [URL="https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/52rluu/ford_is_shifting_all_north_american_smallcar/d7n5ibu?context=3"]How WOII created the american dream for the middle class.[/URL]

If you are willing to work, but have no "sufficiently satisfying" opportunities to apply to, with your education and psychological state, does that still make you a NEET? I just don't want to be completely useless. I'll even do manual labor if it gets me a bit more spare money. It would be good for me, in fact, since my physical condition is alarming me and I could use the workout the labor gives at the same time.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51058969]going to uni without a job is a great way to lose weight I've noticed, you don't have the time or money to eat half the time[/QUOTE] lol, I briefly tried gaining and going to the gym for a few months and as soon as I started going to university I receded back to bitch weight. Can't afford to eat. Someday I'll be a golden god.. Someday..

[QUOTE=Nitro836;51059219]If you are willing to work, but have no "sufficiently satisfying" opportunities to apply to, with your education and psychological state, does that still make you a NEET? I just don't want to be completely useless. I'll even do manual labor if it gets me a bit more spare money. It would be good for me, in fact, since my physical condition is alarming me and I could use the workout the labor gives at the same time.[/QUOTE] You're a NEET if you're Not in Education, Employment or Training. That's the definition that people still seem to have trouble with